I'm sick of these crazy anti-Kerry posts

[WillyBrandt]

I've been sick to death of all this crackpot Skull and Bones bullshit. The same garbage was thrown as Clark, and has recently been slung at Kerry.

It's like we combined the rhetoric of a Freeper with that of the North Korean Press Agency, and threw some crack in the mix.

Kerry isn't perfect, but this UFO Illuminati bullshit keeps coming out ONLY because the rules prevent us from pointing out that only fruits and nuts can actually believe this trash. It's frankly beyond the particulars of the claims; it's more about pointing out that a psychosis is a psychosis.

You don't argue with the crazy babbling to himself at the back of the bus. You either ignore the nut, or you satisfy yourself by calling the crazy a crazy and moving on.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. Thank You Williebrandt!!!!!! This Kerry-Bashing needs to....

stop now! We have a nomminee and we must unite behind him.

[XanaDUer]

2. I have a feeling it will stop soon

Now is the time to stomp the shrub.

That Bush needs some pruning.

[flaminbats]

8. true...

we must also keep the focus of this campaign on the failures of the Bush administration, and why Democrats, independents, and yes..Greens should support Kerry.

We must cease our attacks on each other, on those who voted for Nader, and on Nader..who probably will not even get in the ballot on most states. Instead we must focus on how this administration's failures lead to 9/11, how John Kerry will reduce the national debt, and the specifics of his healthcare plan...which most people don't even know!

Every wasted attack on a potential Kerry voter results in less focus on winning, and more bitterness within our voting base.

[salinen]

3. Many, many of us, not so long ago

stated that they'd even back "Joe" Where are you?

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[WillyBrandt]

6. By saying he RULES THE WORLD via a stupid frat?

[RummyTheDummy]

20. Exactly

Where was Skull and Bones when Bill Clinton got elected president twice. Or Jimmy Carter for that matter. Or Ronald F'ing Reagan. And call me crazy, but Tricky Dick wasn't exactly the S&B type either. That whole thing is a bunch of overblown horse shit.

[daveskilt]

52. every president was part of a secret society

some masons, a few elks, a couple of S&B's and we all remember Abe Lincoln drove one of those little cars and wore a fez - shriner.

[lastknowngood]

5. It will stop tomorrow as the moderators will no longer allow any

negative statements about the "nominee" but remember the feelings won't stop only the posts. The party is divided and will likely not unite behind any one candidate this year. Many will through away their votes.

[onehandle]

7. That's nuts.

Dems will unite to defeat Bush. The Internet is not the general population in any way, shape or form.

[Forkboy]

9. criticism will still be allowed

[SerpentX]

22. It's not the criticism that bothers most people.

It's the kOoKeRy that passes for criticism in some threads and the incessant misrepresentation of Kerry's actions. It's one thing to argue about IWR, although it's been done to death. It's another thing to accuse the man of personally dropping bombs on Iraqi children.

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[Citizen Kang]

14. I think that is unfortunate

that "negative" statements about the nominee will no longer be allowed. Is saying that your upset that Kerry voted for the war "negative" and therefore a deletable post? Or is being upset that the party elite manipulated the primary process to select the nominee they wanted a deletable post? What about saying that selecting Kerry as the nominee will be an unmitigated disaster in November, even if it kills you to think that Bush will get a second term?? Is that allowable? What about stating that you won't vote for Kerry as a protest vote?

If all of these things are banned as of tomorrow, its going to get mighty boring around here.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

36. The answers to your questions are clearly stated in the rules

and if you think not, there will be no doubt at least five threads in ATA for each of your questions, once they institute the GE rules.

[CTLawGuy]

10. I agree

Tweedledee for president '04. Beat Tweedledum!

[WillyBrandt]

11. Uh Doy! Yuk Yuk!

[MurikanDemocrat]

13. I can't believe anyone ever fell for that paranoid delusional

Skull and Bones carping. That's just whacko mental ward stuff.

[lovedems]

15. In comparison, I am still relatively new to DU

and with the entrance of GD04, I felt like I have been witnessing this ugly side to DU. It was a side I had not seen before! While I am all for questioning and honest debate, some of the threads on this board and some of the remarks have been downright shameful, rude and offensive.

I can't wait for a return to unity and respect for differences of opinion.

[Spider Jerusalem]

16. Differing opinions are to be respected...

I respect the right of anyone to hold whatever opinion they choose on any issue. However, if their opinion is at best patently absurd and at worst raving lunacy, I reserve the right to point that fact out.

Question: if the anti-Skull and Bones nutters were LaRouchites claiming that the Queen of England controls the world drug trade, or believers in David Icke's nonsense asserting that George Bush is in reality a shape-shifting reptilian alien creature whose ancestors invaded our planet millenia ago, would you respect their opinions? Or would you tell them they were insane?

[WillyBrandt]

I personally completely respect their rights to be raving lunatics

n/t

[Fenris]

19. I have to resist the urge to tell them that now

It would be funny if they weren't serious. But they are. And that's sad.

[Lexingtonian]

17. Let 'em grieve, WB

A lot of it is about those people trying to maintain their own belief systems. Fervent evangelizing is often a sign of deeply held doubts that must, for some reason, be suppressed.

IMHO the S&B stuff is really about middle class people feeling left out (rightly or wrongly) from the political decision-making process. Same for the 'revolution' stuff. The IWR 'issue' is all about these peoples' theories and dogmas about symbolic actions in the face of absurdity and evil. If Kerry had voted the other way nothing materially different would have happened, but it's important for some reason to pretend that something magical would have happened otherwise- perhaps not in Iraq, but to the imagined purity of Kerry's cause. I take it all as inability to cope with things that are morally gray.

[jsw_81]

18. Just ignore it

Most of them are just freepers trying to make us feel bad. It's not going to work.

[littlejoe]

21. Deanie-babies!

[TreasonousBastard]

23. Relax...

it will all be over soon.

Myself, I've been biting my tongue to a bloody pulp not calling some of the more obvious assholes around here assholes.

Can I call them assholes now?

Even some of the less obvious assholes?

I've been finding it somewhat less than fair that anyone can be an asshole, but you get tombstoned for pointing it out.

(Besides, it's really the Bohemian Grove that's pulling all the strings.)

[flaminbats]

24. You tell us to relax!

and the word asshole was included how many times?.....:wtf:

[vision]

25. than don't read them

I know there are some posts that I don't even click on because I dislike the tone or the poster.

[JackRiddler]

26. that would be too easy, vision...

and not the point of this thread. The point at DU is never to enjoy the wealth of available diversions, when you can instead search out the annoyances and complain.

Today's triumph of business-as-usual is whetting a certain crowd's appetite for payback, after all the felt frustration of having had to tolerate non-conformists in the first place.

And never mind that the "non-conformists" include quite a few from the demographics Democrats should want to reach; and never mind that non-conformists once made up the majority here; in the end, all deviants from the party line will be told they are unimportant, not worth reaching, alienated, and (after the possible loss in November) blamed for it.

Do I sense a paradox?

As for this thread generally, it is an example of what brainy scientist guys term lynch-mob bonding, in preparation for the purgative frenzy anticipated to start day after tomorrow.

In the process of building up to the big hunt for scapegoats, it's important to mischaracterize, misquote and dehumanize the intended targets. Thus, one's having mentioned topic A will entail being pinned to undesirable qualities B through Z. All sense of distinction or definition about who said what in which context must be lost, otherwise the crucifixions will not be nearly as appetizing. (It's Easter season!)

What the hell, it seems at last I've finally made a short list!

Besides which, as is the case with hundreds of others who no longer post here because of the dominance of this mindset, my mission is basically done.

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Now watch, the fact I am pointing it out may change it, but if anyone responds to the above, they'll do one of two things:

a) try to turn what I said into a "conspiracy" theory, thus marking me off as crazy.

b) suggest indirectly I am a Freeper, Republican plant, bitter about Dean, bitter about the nice rich successful people from Yale, etc.

So either I am a conspiracist or a conspirator. And often you'll have both a) and b) wrapped together by the same oxymoran.

Peace unto you.

[WillyBrandt]

28. Sorry. Crazy AND self-righteous nonsense

Not merely crazy alone. My apologies.

[vision]

29. My mother has voted Democratic for 40 years

and she is disappointed tonight. She says it makes he wonder if she should even vote.

I told her to wait and see. If she still feels that way later she should vote her heart. I will never bash anybody for voting thier heart even if I think it is wrong. At least they made an effort.

I respect that, the 50% that don't vote I don't understand.

[flaminbats]

30. post for yourself friend...

The point at DU is never to enjoy the wealth of available diversions, when you can instead search out the annoyances and complain.

Posting on this forum on days that we finish early, or periods when business is slow..is one way of relaxing for me, not finding more work.

[SerpentX]

45. Or you're a martyr

and to hell with anybody that won't pay attention as you nail yourself to the cross.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

27. Soon we won't have to endure those kind of BS attacks here.

And until then, at least we get to see who it is that is making them.

[Nicholas_J]

31. Not much longer

We have a nominee in fact.

Yes I remember all of the posts in which I was personally abused for putting articles about Deans record as Govenror, from the time he was governor. One of my favorites was being called a turd floating in a punch bowl by one of Dean's most vociferous supporters here.

Its almost over.

The best revenge is winning.

[JackRiddler]

43. Now THERE is an attitude...

guaranteed to raise Kerry's chances in November:

"REVENGE, REVENGE, REVENGE! I have purged the enemy and now write for an echo chamber! Ha ha ha!"

[molly]

53. That is not what Nick said

I remember the bullies - they were absolutely AWFUL!

[dawgman]

35. way to celebrate censorship pal, how fantastic.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

39. You think you have a 'right' to post on Skinner's website?

Do I have a right to spray paint messages on your car? Your house? Your forehead?

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[RetroLounge]

59. You are correct.

Now we get a different brand of BS

[dawgman]

32. Kerry is an effing chump and I am saddened by the events of the last

few months. Dems are truly spineless.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

33. Such a well reasoned, carefully researched, and eloquently expressed

critique. :eyes:

Well, at least you provided an in-thread example of what we're talking about. :hi:

[dawgman]

34. fuck well reasoned. When I take the time to reason something out

it is either ignored or marginalized. I gonna go with straight vitriol from now on. FUCK YOU KERRY YOU JUST STOLE MY DEMOCRACY.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

37. OK, be proud of not thinking then.

:eyes:

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[Feanorcurufinwe]

47. OK, you're proud of not showing us that you think

thank you for clearing that up. I admit, the distinction escaped me.

[Spider Jerusalem]

38. ?

Kerry stole your democracy by winning a majority of the votes in democratic (NB: small d) primaries? I'm sorry....perhaps the Democratic Party should just skip all this primary nonsense and just ask you who the nominee should be next time...

[WilliamPitt]

41. Dumbest. Post. Ever.

Don't think. Just hate.

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[daveskilt]

51. dumb dumb dumb - impossible to respond to that

stole your democracy? more errors than words in that statement - but since you claim to not reason things out why bother enumerating them?

[NoCorporatePols]

48. He's a skull and bones corporate pawn - Fox gave $$$ to him

He's a dem version of bush

[zulchzulu]

44. Art Bell fans are generally bereft of the thought process

As soon as someone mentions the Skull and Bones crap, it is a good indication that they probably did too much bad acid in high school or were in some way damaged by environmental pollution in their community as children.

And they probably listen to Art Bell and think Democracy Now is not slanted...

[hedgetrimmer]

46. "I'm sick of these crazy pro-Kerry posts"

I've been sick to death of all this crackpot Skull and Bones means nothing bullshit. The same garbage was protected by Clark supporters(about the school of the americas), and has recently been protected by Kerry(ites).

It's like we combined the rhetoric of a Freeper with that of the White House Press Sec., and threw some crack (or coke, your pick)in the mix.

Kerry is far from perfect, but bullshit keeps coming out ONLY because the rules prevent us from pointing out that only fruits and nuts can actually be trash if they spoil. It's frankly beyond the particulars of the claims; it's more about pointing out that a psychosis is a psychosis.

You don't argue with the crazy babbler, to himself he is at the back of the bus when you know that you both are in the front of the bus. You either ignore the nut, throw it into the trash (because it's spoiled) or you satisfy yourself by calling the crazy a crazy and moving on before the "crazy" has a chance to hold up a mirror and show you what you really are.

[Loonman]

49. At least I won't have to hear about Dean, anymore

Thank the maker for small favors.

[molly]

54. AMEN!!!

[RetroLounge]

60. Hey, Dean won Vermont!

:bounce::bounce::bounce:

[edzontar]

55. The lust for purges and silencing of discussion

Suggests to me that there is a real fear in the Kerry camp--as least so far as it is represented here on DU--that the party will NOT unite around the now all-but-inevitable nominee.

May I remind my purge-embracing colleagues that political races and parties are organized around COALITIONS--and that each group within these coalitions has the right to make its case within the broader framework of the movement--in this case, a center-right coalition whose goal HAs to be, above all, the defeat of GW Bush and the repacpture of both branches of the legislature.

I would suggest that any effort to purge or limit the range of voices on DU will serve only to exacerbate the divisons that still need attending in our party.

Freeper-disruptors aside, I would argue that it served the interest of the coming campaign better to not only permit but embrace discussion of tactics and issues....if not, this place will become little more than an especially cranky and defensive Kerry campaign site...which would be of little interst to anyone but a core of cranky and defensive and already-convinced Kerry supporters.

Just a few words for your consideration before the purge.

Not that I expect you to listen.

[DNA]

56. Good post

I agree with everything except I think you meant center-left.

[graywarrior]

58. A House Devided...falls

Keep bickering, the republicans love it. That's how they win.

[Iverson]

57. Maybe it's just dissent that's crazy.

I have never wasted my time on Skull and Bones crap or illuminati whatever.

On the other hand, I will never, ever say that wars of aggression are a good idea. Nor will I ever say that support for same is somehow ennobling. Neither will I ever believe that forced unity is true unity or that it serves well the party that claims to be the big tent.

Are we at the real problem yet?

[PATRICK]

61. All the candidates have been through this

and now wounded rivals(i.e., their "supporters" only)can concentrate the proven ineffectual fantasies on the winner. I don't think any of this kind of stuff hindered any of the candidates(even Lieberman). Most simply shrugged it off and lost all on their own.

It is encouraging if that is the worst that can dredged up against Kerry, but I fear it is only a foolish distraction here from real issues and lies that the real campaign will have to deal with.

Such dead space maybe belongs in a humorous fashion in the Lounge(no offense!) where sour paranoia usually is more easily laughed off.