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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:43 AM
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We don't need imagination or inspiration, we need
a no nonsense hard working person who can fix all the stuff that the pukes broke.

I pulled the word "imagination" from one of the Kennedy threads, words fail.

The politicians seem to forget that we are living the reality that they voted in. Now the psychos want to inspire us. I already have a garden. What else do I need to do to please them?

Give us a break you nut cases.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:49 AM
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1. I don't have a candidate yet
but I disagree. We do need inspiration and imagination. There are a lot of things coming down the pike including climate change that need innovative and immediate answers not incremental ones. The country is going to have to pull together to get anything done and an inspirational leader would really help.Being as the top two's policies are so similar, it is a bonus to have someone who can motivate the populace.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:58 AM
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9. That's one of the things we all know is broken.
Is Obama going to give a speech telling us to car pool?

Most people already know where they are hurting. We have a good deal of the population who are faced with health issues, job issues, etc. What is anyone going to say to inspire them?

"Hang on." "Pray."

This inspiration hokum makes it seems like we Americans are such lazy @sses that all of our troubles are of our own making. We just need to be shown the way.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:08 PM
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11. Well for me personally
I have had to fight outrage overload the past few years. I have had to talk myself into continuing to protest, write letters, and email my congress critters. I fight feelings of hopelessness. The bankrupcy bill and now the telecoms in this upcoming vote are but a few. I could use a good shot of inspiration and hope.. to combat my feelings of just giving up and saying the hell with it.

If Obama can follow through with getting the country behind him to really move forward it would be wonderful. I just don't know for sure where he will lead. I do want to believe we can change direction but I am jaded. I think there will be gridlock if Hillary is elected and I have concerns re Edwards previous voting record. I really liked Biden and Dodd, and Dennis was my first choice.

But I do not discount a charismatic leader's ability to inspire the population to do great things. I grew up with JFK as prez years ago. I have seen it happen before. It can again, I hope.

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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:30 PM
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15. Any democratic president will supply a quick infusion of hope
into our saddened and hoodwinked populace. The country will be behind them already.

On another note, most of the country has been against Bush, where did it get us? He did what he wanted. Our spineless congress went along.

At this point, it doesn't look like Obama will be asking congress for anything new or courageous. It doesn't even look like he will challenge them in any way, or like he wants to bargain with them, or coerce them to change direction. Does anyone think those pampered, jaded masters of talk are going to be inspired by anyone? They need a good kick in the pants.

The word "charismatic" to describe any leader honestly scares the pants off me.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:32 PM
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20. Actually no
Hillary will not inspire me at all. There will be a total waste of energy fighting people who despise her which will interfere with getting things done. It isn't her fault but it is what it is. She does not have the "it" factor to inspire.. at least for me. Edwards has it somewhat and Obama has it alot. Obama and Hillary's policies are pretty similar. I just think he has a better chance of getting his policies implemented than she does. Time will tell.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:41 PM
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23. whoever gets nominated has to break through those old ideals
and ideas of the Congress, especially those repigs.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:49 AM
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2. Reality check needed. Thanks. nt
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:50 AM
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3. You just don't understand the power.
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 11:50 AM by redqueen
;)
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:52 AM
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4. Absolutely. Why bother with people like
RFK or JFK or for that matter, Howard Dean. We don't need their kind. Disgusting. What a bunch of nuts.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:54 AM
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5. How about "vision"? We had our JFK. They had their Reagan.
I don't want to cede the "vision/inspiration" thing to the Republicans.

Sounds like you want a CEO as president, which is actually fine by me if that is what you want. Different people want different things from the president.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:54 AM
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6. We need common sense, actual discussion, not more insane polarization
Without a 60 vote majority in the Senate, all policy positions are dead on arrival. More stagnation and polarization is not the answer.

Inspiration and a move back towards actual dialogue on how to address a real agenda for improving the country seems like the answer to me. Can Hillary do this?
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:07 PM
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10. Talk. Talk. Talk.
"Inspiration and a move back towards actual dialogue on how to address a real agenda for improving the country seems like the answer to me. Can Hillary do this?"

I've heard enough talking. The politicians just talk to each other. They only talk to us when they want votes.

We all know that there is enough on the table. We don't need to imagine what else we can put on it. We need someone who can roll up the sleeves and get going.
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nancyharris Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:56 AM
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7. None of the 3 Democratic candidates
have a proven track record of experience. None have ever held executive office and their Senatorial experience ranges from 3 to 7 years. None has even chaired a major senatorial committee.

Imagination and inspiration are the only qualities that truly distinguish one candidate from the other.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:57 AM
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8. Imagination is one of those undefined traits that they use
when they are trying to foist a guy on you.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:11 PM
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12. Answer me this. Why must the two be mutually exclusive?
A lot posts here pit inspiration against hard work as if the two cannot co-exist; these are both qualities of a great leader.

Obama inspires and will also do the hard work necessary to fix Bush's mess.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:19 PM
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13. Clinton and Edwards also inspire, they just don't make it the
centerpiece of their campaigns.

Most of the anti Obama people are still asking, "What is he going to inspire in us?" Why save it?

Obama is as vague as Bush was.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:26 PM
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14. It's interesting how our opinions differ.
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 12:26 PM by sparosnare
I am neutral on Edwards and Hillary makes me want to pull my hair out; I don't believe a word she says.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:33 PM
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16. You've been brainwashed by the MSM.
They've been defining her as a lying b*tch for so long, even some of the Dem's have bought into it.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:37 PM
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19. LOL - I am hardly one to be brainwashed.
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 12:39 PM by sparosnare
Hillary is dishonest; she had to cover for her husband's indiscretions for years so he could advance politically. She is an enabler and instead of dumping him and forging her own path, she stayed with him for politics. She is not a strong woman and I don't admire her.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:37 PM
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21. You are the perfect Obama supporter...
You hate Hillary because she didn't leave her husband. It was none of your damn business. You are so inspired that you are not even trying to listen to issues. A lot of these voters are voting for Obama because they are following Iowa...
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 02:51 PM
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25. I don't hate Hillary; I just don't think she is our best choice for President
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 02:52 PM by sparosnare
and am sick of Hillary supporters throwing the word "issues" at Obama supporters as if we don't have a clue about where the candidates stand.

You want to talk about an issue? The biggest issue I have with Hillary is her IWR vote, what she subsequently said about it before the bombs fell and her inability to admit she was wrong (supports dishonesty).
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:45 PM
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24. Neutral on Edwards is good, listen to him more.
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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:34 PM
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17. Go look at the Chicago Tribune's endorsement of Obama
They say flat out that they don't agree with him on issues, they endorse him because of his ability to get things done.


Stop believing what the Clintons tell you, they can't be trusted.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:37 PM
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18. Say what?
Let me get this straight, they are endorsing someone who gets something done that is not in their interest? They are in a sense voting for someone who will put some more hurt on them? Sounds downright Repukelican.

I don't see the good in it, sorry.
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:39 PM
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22. so in another 8 years Jeb can break it all over again. Lets move on
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