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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 04:43 PM
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Here is why complaining about media unfairness toward Hillary is ludicrous
They have a media pundit network, who shills for them constantly, that no other candidate can boast:

There is Suzanne Estrich on Fox:

Estrich appears frequently on Fox News as a legal and political analyst, giving the liberal perspective. She has also substituted for Alan Colmes on the debate show Hannity & Colmes. Estrich writes regular articles for NewsMax for which she is a pundit.<1> and is also on the Board of Editorial Contributors for USA Today. On January 10, 2008, she joined the Quinn Emanuel Urquhart Oliver & Hedges law firm, a litigation powerhouse based in Los Angeles.


Until recently, James Carville, Paul Begala, and Robert Zimmerman on CNN:

Exclusive: After Obama Complaints, CNN Bans James Carville And Paul Begala From Appearing As Analysts Until Dem Primary Is Settled
January 24, 2008

Okay, this is interesting. I've just learned that CNN has told top Dem strategists James Carville, Paul Begala, and Robert Zimmerman -- who are CNN mainstays but are all Hillary supporters -- that they will not be doing any more political analysis on the network until the Democratic primary has reached a conclusion.

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Two weeks ago, The New York Times quoted CNN president Jonathan Klein saying that connections between on-air contributors James Carville and Paul Begala and Hillary Clinton should be "disclosed as much as we can." Klein noted that Carville "has disclosed all of this previously and repeatedly on our air" but added, "He happened not to last night, and it's an unfortunate omission."

Klein was referring to Carville's November 15 appearance on CNN to discuss the Democratic debate that the cable news channel had just televised. Klein explained that though Carville is not on the Clinton campaign payroll, his support still required disclosure:

"He's not on the Hillary payroll, but he's on the Hillary bandwagon, and that should be disclosed as much as we can," Mr. Klein said. "I wasn't comfortable with it myself as I watched it.

It isn't exactly a state secret that James Carville and his fellow CNN contributor Paul Begala like the Clintons. They are, after all, James Carville and Paul Begala. Still: Klein was right. When Carville or Begala appear on CNN to comment on the presidential candidates, their support for one of those candidates should be disclosed.

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Switching allegiances

One-time Clinton basher becomes a key defender

BY GLENN THRUSH | Newsday Washington Bureau
September 7, 2006

WASHINGTON - David Brock, the reformed right-wing reporter who once took aim at Hillary Rodham Clinton, has cultivated surprisingly deep ties to the senator - paying $200,000 to a Clinton confidant for working at his watchdog group, Media Matters.

In the strange-bedfellows world of Washington, few couplings are odder than the Clinton-Brock alliance. The ideological chameleon has emerged as a reliable defender, while she's quietly nurtured his $8.5-million-a-year nonprofit empire.

"David is immensely valuable to Hillary," says a wealthy Democrat with ties to Brock, speaking anonymously. "It's like having your former prosecutor running around saying you were wrongfully prosecuted. He's living proof the right wing is out to get Hillary. ... I don't think anyone really trusts him. He'll never get a job in the (Hillary Clinton) White House, but he's useful."

Back in the mid-'90s, Brock, now 44, seemed the perfect choice to write the definitive anti-Hillary tome. While at American Spectator, reporter Brock repeated claims that she had an affair with her family friend Vince Foster. He also broke the Paula Jones sex scandal, creating the cascade of denials that ultimately led to Bill Clinton's impeachment.

But researching "The Seduction of Hillary Rodham" domesticated the attack dog: Brock ended up admiring Clinton, infuriating his backers and driving him into the Democratic fold. "In finding Hillary Clinton's humanity," he later wrote, "I was beginning to find my own."

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David Brock is the author of four political books, including The Republican Noise Machine: Right-Wing Media and How It Corrupts Democracy (Crown, May 2004). In his preceding book, Blinded by the Right: The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative (Crown, March 2002), a 2002 New York Times best-selling political memoir, he chronicled his years as a conservative media insider. Brock was the recipient of the New Democrat Network's first award for political entrepreneurship. He currently serves on the board of The Progressive Legislative Action Network, an organization created to support progressive state legislators. He is the President and CEO of Media Matters for America.

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Complaining about media coverage

by kos
Tue Jan 08, 2008

I see Clinton's surrogates complaining about the unfairness of the media coverage, about how Obama is getting a free pass.

Does this sort of whining ever work? It sure didn't in 2004 as us Deaniacs complained about the governor's shitty media coverage. It looks particularly petty for a former president of the United States to join the whining.

And come on, the Clinton campaign has had surrogates like Begala and Carville embedded in the punditry promoting her campaign from within! Who else had such advantages?

Regardless, the media is unfair. I think we can stipulate that without argument. It sucks. But the Clintons have had every advantage in the world -- just about the entire party establishment. The fact that $100 million, the best campaign team in the (Democratic Party) universe, the bulk of the party establishment, well-placed pundit allies, and a fragmented field haven't been enough to put this thing away for Hillary points to her flaws as a candidate.

It's not the media's fault that people are sick of the Clinton machine and want change. The only reason she has even been competitive is that the "change" forces never coalesced around a single candidate. But even in a fragmented field, Hillary is in serious trouble. God help her if she only faced a single serious candidate. She'd be crushed.

Whining about the media doesn't change that cold, stark reality.



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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 04:44 PM
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1. Susan Estritch's voice makes my ears bleed.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 04:55 PM
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5. "Susan Estritch's voice makes my ears bleed."
My wife calls her the "Marlboro Munchkin".
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:08 PM
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21. If anyone thinks she is liberal they are .......as she is not!--
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 04:51 PM
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2. so you are going to ignore the constant attacks against Clinton and the cover they
provide to Obama and name a pundint on FOX NEWS!?

I wonder if you thought the media was biased before they started covering for Obama, during the Bush campaign and war, etc? I remember when people on DU cheered when Bill Clinton finally let Fox News have it for being so dishonest and biased.

You are not pretending it does not exist. Amazing.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 06:07 PM
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12. It exists, but Hillary contributes to it.
Her campaign of divisiveness certainly has changed her coverage. And rightly so. She sleeps in a bed of her own making, even if her bed has more bedbugs than she invited.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 06:14 PM
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14. Yeah, she was askin' for it
Must be the way she dresses.
:sarcasm:
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 06:21 PM
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17. Yes, I suppose she had nothing to do with the negative coverage, right?
It was all those meanie MSM folks just ganging up on her for no reason. Same with all those democratic party luminaries telling their campaign to call off the attack dog, formally known as Mr. President.

Nope, no race baiting from the Clintons. Nope, no misleading ads. It's all the nasty MSM's fault. It must be the way she dresses...
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:05 PM
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20. You've been fucked by a GOP-owned media
And I bet they didn't even kiss you first.

Sad.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 06:17 PM
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15. She sure does. She breathes. nt
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 04:51 PM
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3. The way I see it...
“The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.” -Oscar Wilde
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 04:54 PM
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4. All the king's stooges and all the kings flacks
couldn't make voters believe their attacks.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 05:17 PM
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6. Duzy Award Nomination!!! N/T
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 06:33 PM
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19. thanks!
:hi:
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:47 PM
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24. ROTFLUMSOMN
:spray:

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 05:28 PM
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7. The MSM hates the Clintons. Always has, always will.
Are you new to American politics, Pro?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 06:04 PM
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9. Right, the media loves everybody but Hillary!
You are talking to a Kerry supporter!

If anyone should understand the nature of the MSM, it's Hillary. She participated in one of its RW-driven frenzied attacks over an innocuous comment.

She has her shills and deep connections to the media, including Murdoch.

The MSM is not responsible for Bill's Jessie Jackson comment. The MSM is not responsible for the robo calls. The MSM is not responsible for Hillary's campaign to distort.

The Clintons got caught. They are being called out by Democrats, including long-time Clinton supporters for using dirty tactics and needs to stop whining.


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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 06:07 PM
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11. Nice collection of Obama Swiftboat attacks!
I don't blame you for being suckered. Never blame the victim, don'tchaknow.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 06:12 PM
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13. "Nice collection of Obama Swiftboat attacks! " Reed Hundt:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 06:18 PM
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16. Again, you link to your own posts as "proof" of some bizzaro theory of yours.
Get a clue.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 06:32 PM
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18. Here, a clue for you
Appointed FCC chair in by Bill Clinton in 1993.

Reed Hundt (hint: not my link)


You are in denial!

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:11 PM
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23. He does that constantly----these circular arguments are meant for the pig pen.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 05:57 PM
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8. Of all the examples you cite
Its really difficult to pick out the stupidest one.

Susan Estrich is on Fox News. She's a token for balance in a cable network that lies and twists and does everything in its power to detroy Hillary.

Carville and Begala are examples of how unfair the media is to Hillary. There are dozens of top name vast right wing conspiracy pundits on cable and none of them ever get fired, no matter how many times they get caught lying or are wrong. Look at Dick Morris. Why does he have a job? Supporting Hillary isn't allowed though, even on cable.

David Brock is an Internet figure. He's ignored by the rest of the media, except when people he criticizes call him part of a left wing plot.

These few examples ignore the tsunami of libelous treatment the Clintons received from the media for sixteen years.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 06:06 PM
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10. "David Brock is an Internet figure."? Speaking of stupid:
Media Matters broke the story that got Imus fired.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:10 PM
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22. HA HS-Suzanne Estrich and alan Colmes as the liberals. HA HA
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:09 PM
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26. An Unforgettable Interview About Hillary Clinton
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:04 PM
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25. Photos


Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton,
D-N.Y., and her husband, former President Bill Clinton chat
with the media on the press plane after a campaign rally
in St. Louis, Mo. Saturday, Jan. 19, 2008.
(AP Photo/Elise Amendola)




Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton
chats with the media on the press plane before taking
off from Santa Barbara, Calif. Thursday, Jan. 17, 2008.
(AP Photo/Elise Amendola)

Clinton Unveils "Hill-Force One"
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:11 PM
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27. Tell ya what..list any..ANY negative story about Obama that has recieved wall to wall coverage?
Any..
one will do...
only one...
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:38 PM
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28. Just one...one...
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:48 PM
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29. Come on..just one..whats that? Can't find any?
then with all due respect..STFU!
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