No more pro-NADER post! We have a Democratic nominee.

[TrueAmerican]

So you Nader people find your own damn forum!

[John_H]

1. I'm going to miss them so.

[AndyP]

2. i'm not

:)

[Kahuna]

10. Me neither.

x(

[TrueAmerican]

5. Miss them like a case of hemorrhoids

;)

[Catch22Dem]

9. I'll miss roids more

[Andromeda]

44. Not!

.

[NewHampster]

3. Hmmm - I still think California and a few others get to vote

[OhioStateProgressive]

4. fuck it, i'm voting for him(nt)

[Padraig18]

7. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. n/t

[OhioStateProgressive]

8. i won't, and thanks for the concern(nt)

[JohnLocke]

16. What he said.

[Cuban_Liberal]

18. What they BOTH said.

Bye!

[JHBowden]

19. Is there anything I can do to talk you out of it?

You'll see people like DK in a Kerry administration. Isn't this way better than crooks like Cheney and fundamentalist nutcases like Asscroft?

[OhioStateProgressive]

24. I don't think it is much better

Kerry isn't for Universal Single payer health care...so my family continues to get deeper in debt.

Kerry isn't for Universal College Education...so my tuition continues to drive ME into debt.

Kerry isn't for gay marriage...my gay brother cannot get married


I want 100% correctness, and there was ONE candidate who offered it

[FlashHarry]

27. You will never have 100% correctness. You might as well vote Bush.

Simple math. In the general election, if you vote for anyone other than the Dem nominee, you withhold a vote for the only person who has a chance at defeating Bush. If you can live with that, knowing that Bush 'won' the 2000 election by a few hundred votes, more power to you.

Idealism is admirable... to a point. This is no ordinary election. This is do or die for America. I and millions of your fellow progressives implore you to reconsider.

[OhioStateProgressive]

31. if Kucinich is the VP candidate MAYBE

but since that isn't likely I doubt it.

[ordentros]

69. that's why I voted for Dennis

cause if you are asking people to comprimise on core issues, then why not Bush?

[FlashHarry]

28. Dupe

:)

[diamondsoul]

67. OSP, I still support Kucinich-

I make a single plea here, and if you choose not to accept it, I have no hard feelings. Here's th plea-

This one last time, please cast your November vote for whomever the Democrats nominate. Yes, likely Kerry and I'm not at al happy about it myself, but right now, I'm FAR more fearful of the steady blood-bath from a second Bush term. I've made up my mind what I'll do and I'm asking you to consider it for the good of everyone in this country- one more lesser evil vote, just one. My intent is to vote for the nominee and then head straight for voter registration and change my affiliation to Independent.

This I will do because I love this country and I love humanity too much to contribute to even a slight chance for Bush to get another term. Does that make sense?

[OhioStateProgressive]

77. I don't believe Kerry will pursue Socialism

therefore I can't vote for him.

That is the honest truth..Dennis would have pursued Socialism

[LoZoccolo]

83. Sounds like you want 5% correctness.

Or less, even. I wonder if you'll even stop getting farther away from those things under Bush* again.

[OhioStateProgressive]

84. maybe so

Bush will bring complete collapse.

Then there will be new day.

Best to make that collapse happen as fast as possible to get it over with.

[LoZoccolo]

117. Sounds like what they were trying to do in Iraq.

As in, doesn't matter if we killed a lot of people and caused all this chaos, we're bringing them a new day!

10,000 victims of complete collapse salute you!

[buff2]

120. What are you smoking?

I'd like to have some of it.....must be some pretty good shit.

[snoochie]

56. Thank you for demonstrating how an adult has a discussion.

Thank you so much. I wish there were more like you on this board.

[Name removed]

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[Gore1FL]

52. So you trust Kucinisch to run the country

but you don't trust him in a decision to support the Dem candidate?

Seems sort of, well, odd.

[LWolf]

61. A few points:

1. His name is Kucinich.

2. His supporters have always known he would support the democratic nominee if he didn't win. That's who the man is.

3. I haven't heard him drop out of the race and endorse Kerry. Did that happen, and I somehow missed it?

4. Come to think of it, did I miss the convention where the nominee will be chosen? Have we cancelled it and crowned Kerry today?

Yes, I trust DK to run the country. No, I don't trust Kerry to run the country. Of course, my distrust of Kerry is less than my distrust of GWB. Put Kerry up against GWB, and he is an easy winner. Any of the 10 original contenders would be. I don't loathe any of them; I don't think any of them would best serve the nation as compost.

[no name no slogan]

125. Don't forget: Kerry still needs 999 delegats for a 1st ballot nom...

This thing is NOT over yet. There's still 20 states who haven't spoken, and with Edwards out of the race, there may be some re-evaluation among some of the anti-Kerry factions.

There's still a strong progressive movement in this party. I saw Dennis Kucinich sweep the cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul last night, and hold Kerry to under 50% in many more places.

I'm going to my county convention, and, Allah willing, to the CD and state conventions, too. Maybe even to Boston, because I believe that the only way this party is going to WIN in November is if we pursue a strong, people-first, progressive agenda.

Maybe DK will end up as the "protest" candidate, but you know what? I honestly don't give a flying fcuk right now. All I know is that in Minnesota, we put on a GREAT showing with NO SUPPORT WHATSOEVER from the party establishment and a campaign organized and run completely by amateurs.

To me, that's victory enough!

:toast:

[Gore1FL]

130. Your 100% correct

But it seems odd for a Kucinich supporter to suggest a 3rd party vote if DK isn't the winner. That was my point all along.

[Gore1FL]

129. OK

1. I apologize for my typing skills.

2. That was my point. I responded to someone who said they wouldn;t.

3. He didn't. but the poster said that he would not vote for Kerry.

4. I really think you should read my post in context of what I was replying to, because this point is putting words in my mouth.

[Forkboy]

6. Hopefully all the anti-Nader zipperheads

will stop bringing him up in the first place :eyes:

[Terry_M]

11. Hah, that'll never happen

[bobthedrummer]

112. I ran a presidential poll here Monday, out of 236 total votes Nader got 4.

Grow up! He's not the devil worth the hysteria shown by some DUers, he didn't steal sElection 2000-he's not going to fuck up your life this year!
Sheesh.

[salin]

75. have to snipe at someone... and with the candidate wars

winding down (while I still expect some minor flairups around the Dean/Kerry folks)... who else can be brought up for random potshots? To not do so... would change the entire tenor of this forum... ;-)

[cprise]

12. I think you are mistaken

Nader is not a Democrat, and DU is not an organ of the Democratic Party; it is for progressives.

[JasonBerry]

14. Check the rules regarding the GE campaign! -- n/t

[MercutioATC]

43. When the primary is over...it's NOT over.

[TrueAmerican]

15. Is it PU or DU

get it?

[Wonk]

21. Kinda like Fight Club, only not as sweaty.

http://www.cafeshops.com/du_store

:D

[mdmc]

74. converse or disperse!

onward DU!

[mdmc]

66. lol !!!

Its interesting to note that the NYS Democrats are all "Green" in their support of gay rights. Jason West, the Green mayor of New Paltz, is a part time mayor! Look how much leadership the greens are able to leverage, simply by their convictions.

[bluestateguy]

13. Bye Bye Naderities!!!!

The Politburo called, they need you back in Red Square now!

[cprise]

32. I won't even bother to Alert that one

Let that attitude speak for itself.

[John_H]

38. Alert what? 'member that pesky "shared goals" thing

Defeating John Kerry, which Wal-Mart Ralph fans want to do, is a goal not shared by any Dem I know.

[sandnsea]

34. Or, bye bye Naderites

Don't let the door hit ya' on the way out.

[flaminbats]

41. Really?

Do you have a problem with votes from Naderites, or just the people casting them? Are you really speaking for John Kerry?

[jonnyblitz]

37. my communist friends don't like Nader...

seriously, they say he is a union buster and don't like him at all .anyways are "Naderites for Kerry" ok ? I was never a Naderite, by the way, but always picked up for the Greens in here..

[flaminbats]

42. Good...

then send them back to Moscow where they belong!

[cryofan]

17. There is not ONE Dem candidate who can carry Nader's briefcase

...when it comes to real progressive values. THat said, if my home state Texas is contention (which I doubt it will be), I will vote Kerry; otherwise, if polls show that Texas is not in play, Nader will get my vote.

[TrueAmerican]

22. Who would want to carry his briefcase

It has Nader coodies on it.

[Democat]

29. His briefcase full of Republican money?

I doubt he'd let anyone carry it.

[cprise]

39. For every attack on Katherine Harris at DU

...there are 20, maybe 30 attacks on Ralph Nader.

And Zip in the way of real electoral reform. Democrats don't even know where to start to make the system fair. All they know anymore is what they DON'T like.

Truth be told isn't this the kind of politician your ilk are more comfortable with:

[Kahuna]

20. Kerry is a DLCer. Sqwack! Polly wanna cracker.

:evilgrin:

[welshTerrier2]

23. Nonsense !!!

I voted for Kucinich and now I'm supporting Kerry all the way !!!

But I see no reason not to agree with Nader when he's right ... it's one thing to argue against those, or even ban those, who plan to vote for Nader ... but to close your mind to good ideas he presents and alienate many who like his anti-corporate message but will still support the dem nominee is foolish ...

would you criticize Nader for making the following statement about how Kerry and Edwards reacted to Greenspan's insane call for cutbacks in Social Security benefits ??

source: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0302-02.htm

The Chairman (i.e. Greenspan) has serious trouble criticizing the corporate state, including doing anything about the consumer credit abuses that the Federal Reserve directly is supposed to stop, like predatory lending. Reaction by the Democrats - John Kerry and John Edwards - was one of proper outrage to Mr. Greenspan's remarks. In their mind they may have been regretting why President Bill Clinton re-nominated the Republican Greenspan to another four-year term in 2000.

[Hippo_Tron]

26. Nalph Rader for Prez!

[WonderGrunion]

30. Absolutely

If Nader had any real concern for the values of the Democratic party, he wopuld have tried to run as a Democrat. That Nader has neither the temerity or testicular fortitude to try and effect change from within the party tells me that he has no place in this discussion.

Kerry '04

I want my country back!!

[ordentros]

64. Nader is people powered,...

not party powered. As Dennis noted in the LA debate (I think), the Democratic party refused to put single-payer into their platform.

And, I'm thinking about the commercials that say, "we make the products that make others better."

Nader makes both the Republican and Democratic parties better. I'm still impressed with what a near GP win did in SF for gay marraige!

[TrueAmerican]

33. Naderites put down the KOOL-AIDE

and take back America. Support Kerry or get out!

[dad]

35. .

How about no more Nader-bashing posts? I will continue to support my candidate.

[flaminbats]

36. does this include Nader bashers?

the more we bash Nader, the more free publicity and attention we give him, and the more likely it is we will needlessly antagonize independents and undecided voters who may be very likely to support John Kerry.

[truthseeker1]

113. Thank you

You described me perfectly. I'm about to dump DU and go look up the Nader site......

[RetroLounge]

40. Are you a Moderator now?

While I will be voting for Kerry in the GE now, and I think Ralph is a Charlatan and a Overblown Ego in poor disguise, I would prefer if we had the greens/progressives on board instead of calling for stalinist-type purges.

No offense, but these kind of posts sound like a different forum off there on the right.

RL

[Andromeda]

46. I agree...

there's no point in pissing off undecideds and progressives who are not yet registered Democrats. There's plenty of time for them to come on board.

Everybody knows how important this election is and I think everybody wants their country back.

Nader's motives are obvious and any intelligent person can see through him and realize there's no future in supporting him.

[hedgetrimmer]

45. GO NADER! Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

NADER and take the fake fucking democrat Clark as a VP.

[Piperay]

47. ACK...

:argh: Well gee, here I am a former repug who gave my "fake fucking Democratic vote" to Kucinich, I hope it doesn't explode or anything. :-(

[Mairead]

48. I apologise for what I'm sure was an unintended slur

Hedgetrimmer is too nice a person to have meant that the way it came out.

Thank you for your vote for DK, honestly.

[Piperay]

49. Thanks...

sometimes it is frustrating having been a repug once cause you feel like you can never totally get rid of the stigma and stench of it. :-)

[truthseeker1]

114. I totally relate Piperay

because I'm in the same boat. It felt sooooo good to cast my vote for Kucinich yesterday!

[diamondsoul]

123. Confession?

I'm from Indiana and there are days I'd vote Dick Lugar over Evan Bayh without hesitating.:shrug: :smoke:

Aaaaah the hell with it. Independants can be progressive too.:pals: Major thanks for your vote for Kucinich! Every last one of them counts.

[hedgetrimmer]

121. Hey, thats great you voted for Kucinich... you voted for a true Democrat.

[Iverson]

50. a question about your call for a purge

For now, are you referring only to those who support Nader, also to those who insufficiently denounce him, or to all non-Kerry enthusiasts?

Thanks in advance.

[arwalden]

53. No Worries, Iverson.

-- Allen

[Iverson]

55. Care to clarify that?

Your reply is opaque, or maybe it's just me.

[arwalden]

59. I Don't Think You Have Anything To Worry About.

Kahuna Matata.

-- Allen

[MadHound]

51. Geez, such fine Democratic valuse we see on display here

Calls for censorship, purging, and hate. Such fine ideals, it is no wonder that converts to the party are swarming in by the millions:eyes:

[snoochie]

58. Does this mean we have to thank bush for scaring voters this way?

Seriously. Would we see such an interest in this party if it weren't for bush's outrageous suckitude?

When the a sports team or athlete wins due to the failures of the other team, I always seem to notice that it wasn't a real test of their abilities.

Perhaps it would help for some to remember that and not get too arrogant about bringing in possible third-party voters.

[redqueen]

79. Good point.

If not for the madness of king george, Democrats would have no chance whatsoever of repeating Clinton's win when his dad was up for re-election.

[truthseeker1]

115. I only registered Dem so I could vote in the primary....

I don't consider myself a permanent Dem. I will probably switch to independent (or no party declared) because I'm certainly not seeing in the Democrat party what I had hoped for. The idealism and the passion has been squashed by the party machine, with all the good candidates being forced out early (i.e., Dean, Clark). Good thing DK stayed in for the long haul.

I'm not saying I'm going to vote for Nader, but I'm certainly going to listen to what he has to say. November is still a long ways off.

[gamemasterG]

54. Yeah

Down with Nader. Kerry all the way

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[legin]

62. Posted 23rd Feb

So my apologies it's a week and two days.

"Pro Nader post and Posters should be BANNED"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=390235

was one of the two you posted that day, both of which were locked.

[legin]

63. The companion thread to the above

"Reminder--From the Rules"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=390352&mesg_id=390352

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[legin]

73. And you can stop playing at being a board 'enforcer'

'cause we've been there in 2002 and it's very counter-productive.

[Iverson]

65. Let's play Spot the Inconsistency!

"So get a life you loser and stop your worthless slander attacks."

And let me say that we really respect you savages.

[truthseeker1]

118. TrueAmerican, you are doing a dis-service to your party

and your cause, my friend, as a few here have already pointed out. You're alienating independents and progessives like myself with your inflammatory posts.

[WoodrowFan]

68. don't let the door hit you

where the good lord split you!

[deminflorida]

71. Since you all have left the party,

now please leave the board. Goodbye, have a good time eating fruit-cake at Ralph Nader's fruit-cake party in November. Tell all your real supporters over at Free Republic I said Hi...

[Iverson]

72. That's the most thoughtful post I've ever seen from you.

More's the pity.

[redqueen]

76. So when did you become a moderator?

PURGE PURGE PURGE!

:eyes:

[TrueAmerican]

81. When did you become moderator?

Two can play at that game. So butt out.

[redqueen]

85. Dude, I was imitating you

:wow:

[Iverson]

87. Let's follow that logic.

Three can play at that game, so now your opinion has to be silenced.

If you don't like that, then you shouldn't do it to others.

[bowens43]

78. When did this happen?

As far as I know, we still have three candidates and no nominee.

[TrueAmerican]

82. We have one candidate and

two pretenders.

Face reallity.

[GreenPartyVoter]

80. You have a nominee? But the convention is MONTHS away

So much for the process, eh?

[TrueAmerican]

96. The process is over.

It looks like FantasyLand is just not place in Disneyland.

[GreenPartyVoter]

99. So no other states will be holding primaries?

Well, they must be thrilled at the money they'll be saving. Who needs democracy when you can have money instead?

[TrueAmerican]

102. You're fighting a losing battle

Cut your losses and get with the program to defeat Bush.

[GreenPartyVoter]

105. I will, after the convention finalizes it.

Then, if Kerry is the guy, he'll have my support and my vote. As well as several letters on what I hope to see him do as prez.

[salin]

86. Wow... I have been on the board this morning.. and don't see

where all of these pro nader threads you are decrying have been posted. And two threads (different folks) on this very topic... as a response to... a nonoccuring (at this point in time) problem...

Almost as if... with other rival candidate groups neutered... there just has to be an other to attack, snip at, alienate... so... its the invasion of the NADER people (whose threads are... absent)

Mountain... molehill... or reason to keep a nasty tenor in the forum?

[redqueen]

89. Whatever the impetus is for this nonsense,

it's a fantastic recruiting tool for greens and independents!

[salin]

90. that point... seems to really be lost on people

just goes over the head.

bunch of real reflective and strategically effective folks... :eyes:

[redqueen]

91. I wonder

is it a result of our party moving further rightwards, or is it a result of societal changes?

Either way, I hope it stops when the real fight is on.

[salin]

92. sometimes i think it is about intentional

diversion of substantive discussion.

[Iverson]

93. all of the above

:cry:

[charlie]

94. It's like

farting or nosepicking. It takes no effort and feels good when there's nothing else to do.

[redqueen]

95. Emotions are raw, maybe that's the explanation.

Either way... we still have a looooong way to go and much much work to do.

:hug:

[Sean Reynolds]

88. Bye.

This will be last post since I'm not wanted. I won't vote Nader in 2004, but I'm sure not going to vote Kerry. I've been here since this place opened and never thought I'd be kicked out because of my views, well I guess I was wrong.

Good luck in 2004. I'll see ya guys after the election.

[legin]

97. Nope

I don't think you are allowed to leave Sean Reynolds, you are too useful.
:evilgrin:

[TrueAmerican]

100. Useful as a tool for Bush's reelection

A vote not for Kerry is a vote for Bush.

[legin]

109. Assuming that your aim is to maximize the Democratic Party vote

How is that achieved by going around being as unpleasant as possible to the 'Left Wing' of the party so that they get so pissed off that they don't vote for you.

[TrueAmerican]

110. Left wing of the party?

Anyone that post Karl Marx and communist symbols are not a member of the Democratic Party. That would be the Communist Party.

[legin]

116. And the people who sort of float half-way between ?

I assume you don't want them either (and there are quite a few of us).

In the run up to the 2002 election, 3 of the best posters got chucked off the board (for failing to tow the party line), resulting in a hell of a lot of people leaving in sympathy.

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[Iverson]

103. say, here's an idea

Why not try being unpleasant, thoughtless, pugnacious, officious, presumptuous, and ignorant?

Your current strategy doesn't seem to be working.

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[Iverson]

111. Delusion is so sad.

The Nader Kool-Aid that you imagine I have looks and smells just like Kerry Kool-Aid, Bush Kool-Aid, etc..

Ah, but when the world marches in unanimity, what a day, eh?

[diamondsoul]

101. "We have a Democratic nominee."

Uhhh, NO, we really DON'T!

In case you missed it, current counts show Kerry still lacking some 800 delegates.

[TrueAmerican]

104. In case you missed it, it's already predetermined

Get with the program and defeat Bush.

[diamondsoul]

122. No it really isn't,

and all your bullying doesn't change the fact that Kerry is NOT today the nominee, nor is anyone else.

[GreenPartyVoter]

106. TrueAmerican are you gung-ho Kerry or just anti-Bush?

[TrueAmerican]

108. Anti Bush

But you guys/gals need to realize it's time to back the potential nominee. Nader and DK and Sharpton is not going to be it.

[redqueen]

119. You're probably not going to win anyone over, do you know that?

I will continue to support and work for DK votes in the primary, because it is HIS platform that I want to see represented in the party platform.

The primary process is not solely for coronating a challenger for bush, you know.

[edzontar]

124. Threads like this are the BEST argument for Nader....

I am not going to vote for him--heck, I live in PA...but you make more enemies than friends with stuff like this.

PS--I am sure Admin. will ban Nader support anyway, but I think that is a mistake.

Why not create a ghetto forum (like I/P) for Nader vs. Kerry?

[Forkboy]

126. Ah quitcher bitchin

[VOX]

127. Where has Ralphie been the last goddamn 3 1/2 years??????

If he's so bloody committed to "people's issues," where the hell has he been while the * administration has been committing some of the worst fat-cat crimes against the U.S. and the world? Why is he piping up again only *now*, other than out of his own misbegotten opportunism and inflated sense of self?

Once a hero decades ago, Ralph has now made himself utterly irrelevant and totally out of touch. He cannot dry up and blow away fast enough.

[Forkboy]

128. probably the same place the Dems have been

nowhere to be seen.

[AVID]

131. ok

[FDRrocks]

132. ditto

I'm just sorry I donated to this website when it posed as liberal, when lately it has shown itself as a partisan as FreeRepublic with an equal amount of selective intelligence.

It won't be easy to get rid of this liberal. Unless the moderators intervene.

[DoNotRefill]

133. I'm no Nader supporter....

but your post comes off as telling Naderites to "sit down and shut up."

And people wonder why Americans have such a bad reputation...

[maxanne]

134. what Nader people

Seriously - where are they? I'm thinking there are less than a handful. Don't equate those who stuck up for Nader's right to run with Nader support - because I also stuck up for LaRouche's right to be in the debates. I'm not a Nader supporter or a LaRouche-ite, but I believe that everyone has the right to run.

A guy from my town ran for prez in 2000. A guy a few towns away ran as a Republican this year. He stood out in front of the polls and played the fiddle. He got about 300 votes, statewide.

I think you're confusing those who believe in equality and inclusiveness in the Democratic process with being Nader supporters.

Someone did a poll last week and about 4 people voted for Nader. Is that really so threatening?