Bummed that Kucinich is out of it? This oughta light a fire under your ass!!!!

[inthebrain]

Whenever the elections get me bummed or I'm upset that we are forced to vote for candidates that have the interest of the propertied class of the common man, I give this a read. Folks wanna know who I stand with now that Kooch is out?

I stand with who I've always stood with; THE WORKER!!! THE COMMON MAN!!!!

And I still have hope that one day the capitalist will be forced to fight is own wars because the common man will refuse to send their sons and duaghters to die for these lazy bastards. At the end of the day, the candidates are not going to emancipate the working class from the opression of the propertied class. The working class is going to do that themselves and are the only ones capable of doing it.

Socialism and the Worker
Friedrich Adolph Sorge 1876

Socialism has been attacked and incriminated at all times, but never with more animosity than recently. Socialists are reproached with every kind of wickedness; of the tendency to do away with property, marriage, family, to pollute everything that is sacred; they have even been accused of arson and murder. And why not? If we look at the originators of these incriminations we are not the least astonished, for they have to defend privileges and monopolies which in reality are in danger, if drawn to the broad daylight and handled by the Socialist. They act according to the old Jesuitic stratagem: invent lies, pollute your enemy in every way you can; something will stick. But if we find those reproaches repeated and echoed even by working men whose interests are quite different we must wonder indeed.

If the workers, however, hate and attack Socialism it is not a clear perception of the wickedness of the aims of Socialism by which their judgment is guided, but by a dim and vague idea, and it is well known that spectres are awful things in the dark for people who believe in them.

But everybody who hates and persecutes other people for their purposes and pursuits should be convinced that he is right in doing so. For, if we hate and persecute persons whose purposes and pursuits are reasonable and right, we are wrong.

For this reason let us examine the real aims of the Socialists. I think I know them pretty well, and I promise to tell the truth and nothing but the truth about them.

When you have read this to the end you may persecute the Socialists with renewed hatred if you find they are bad; on the other hand, you will think favourably of them if you find their views good and right. For I am convinced that you, dear reader, whoever you are, have not a mind to love the bad and hate the good.

Foremost and above all it seems to be certain that the Socialists intend to divide all property. Everybody who owns anything must give up what he owns; this whole mass has to be divided equally among all the people, and each person may use his part just as he likes. After a while, when some have used up their allotted part and a new disproportion of property has arisen, a new division will be made; and so on. Especially the money and the soil are to be divided – this is what some people say concerning Socialism.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/sorge/1876/socialism-worker.htm

[inthebrain]

1. Bump

[inthebrain]

5. b

[swoop]

2. nope

:crazy:

[inthebrain]

3. Really?

Tell that to these people.

US mortgage crisis creates ghost town

The streets are empty. Trash rustles down the road past rusted barbecues, abandoned furniture, sagging homes and gardens turned to weed.


This is Shaker Heights, a suburb of Cleveland and a town ravaged by the subprime mortgage crisis roiling the United States.

Faded "for sale" signs sit in front of deserted houses. The residents are gone, either in search of new jobs after the factories shut down, or in shame after being evicted for missing their mortgage payments.

A red, white and blue American flag flies over windows and doors which have been boarded up to keep the drug dealers away.

Thieves have stripped many homes of the plumbing, the doors, the windows, the aluminum siding.


The police station parking lot is full. The officers, who have seen their numbers triple since 2006, are coming back from their rounds. They speak of installing alarms in some of the homes claimed by squatters.

http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/administration/afp-news.html?id=080127183107.ahcwfxrz&cat=culture

[swoop]

7. Socialism/communism isn't the answer....

This is not an either/or...

[inthebrain]

10. So these people who lost their homes

and dying in Iraq to keep the capitalist afloat and save him from himself; That makes capitalism the answer?

You can not put lipstick on this pig anymore than we already have. You can try to reform it all you like but in the end the capitalist will hang himself with his own greed (See the mortgage crisis) and the working classes one day will abolish it.

Capitalism with go the way of feudalism.

Democracy itself is supposed to work insofar as the common man directing where his community resources are spent. Capitalism requires a certain degree of communism/socialism to keep itself afloat. It is only a matter of time before the working classes decide to spend all that energy used up on the lazy propertied classes to better himself.

Those fuckers already rely on a great deal of communism/socialism for themselves. The school systems are not run so that a commonor may better himself. It is set up so that he is sucked into the propertied classe's system.

Government expenditures on highways, ports, millitary etc are built to better the propertied class. They are constructed via the public dole. They don't pay for that shit themselves.

WE DO!!!!!

Socialism/Communism is not the answer?

I suppose you are happy with the primary debates being held on the private airways so the propertied class and can decide this election FOR YOU. If the day should come where we tell those bastards to go screw and we will put those debates on public television and decide who gets to participate, those fuckers will throw a fit. They will not give that up without a fight and will continue to find a way to grease their way into the door.

[swoop]

12. Communism/Socialism has shown us...

...exactly how successful they are... over, and over and over again.

[inthebrain]

15. Prey tell

I gotta hear this.

And please explain how successful capitalism IS NOW and was in all these countries that went red.

[Rhiannon12866]

17. What a sad story. Thanks! We need the reminder. This one deserves its own post...

;(

[Rhiannon12866]

4. Welcome to DU, swoop!

Glad to have you with us!:hi:

[swoop]

6. Thank you!

:applause:

[Rhiannon12866]

16. You're more than welcome!

It's always a pleasure to welcome another liked-minded member!:toast:

And there's power in numbers!;):hi:

[Kucinich4America]

8. Protest votes aren't going to stop the Bush-Clinton dynasty.

Until we stop this 28 years and counting corporatist nightmare, we will never move this country back towards even the REAL center, let alone a "socialist paradise".

[stimbox]

9. Right on Comrade!!!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

The best candidate now for the worker is John Edwards.

A good analysis of John Edwards is available at Political Affairs.
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/6375/1/310/

John Edwards: A Look at the Man and the Message
By Norman Markowitz

(illus. by Jennie Santos)
In his bid for the Democratic nomination, John Edwards is campaigning to the left of front-runners Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama on general domestic issues. By this, I mean that his most important theme is more than just the necessity for a popular movement for change. Edwards talks about the need to confront large corporations and their influence in society on key issues like health care, the environment and labor’s rights, before the US can become the society that it can and should be. So is Edwards a real anti-monopoly candidate?

When one hears Edwards’ Southern accent and his stories of being the son of a textile mill worker, the history of the influence of Southern politics on national elections comes to mind. Beginning in the late 1960’s, the Republicans attempted to regain power in Congress and the presidency by adopting a “Southern strategy.” Associated most closely with Richard Nixon, this strategy entailed winning over Southern segregationist white supremacist voters who had traditionally operated through the Democratic Party. Anti-civil rights and pro-segregationist Democrats like Strom Thurmond were welcomed into the Republican Party in leading positions. Republican leaders promised to put Southerners on the Supreme Court in a clear albeit coded message against integration, school busing to achieve integration and affirmative action policies to open opportunities for people of color and women.

After George McGovern’s defeat in 1972, the Democrats pursued a “Southern strategy” of their own. The Party scaled back the extent of representation by people of color and women at its national convention and expanded its focus on early primaries in Southern states to strengthen centrist and particularly post-segregation Southern Democrats like Jimmy Carter. These candidates had accepted integration and often provided significant patronage positions for African Americans in Democratic Party organizations in which African Americans were now major constituents, but had little relationship with organized labor (coming from “right to work” states) and held generally more conservative views on domestic policies than their Northern counterparts.

The administrations of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, were the result of the Democratic Party’s shift to the center as a direct response to the Republican Party’s Southern strategy. Arguably, the political failures of the Carter and Clinton administrations resulting from the Democratic Party’s own version of the Southern strategy played important roles in Ronald Reagan’s ascent the presidency in 1980 and George W. Bush’s ability to steal the 2000 election, respectively.

[inthebrain]

11. YEAH RIGHT!!!!!

This guy has sold the working class out just as much if not more than the other candidates running.

Take a look at his voting record.

Out, and the working class should seek emancipation from a guy who also decided that their sons and daughters should die in the desert for Wall Street.

[stimbox]

13. But out of the 3 he is the most progressive and the best for the worker.

He is not perfect. He's got some questionable votes in his past, but his positions now are what really matters.
We are not going to get the perfect candidate from the Democratic party, Kucinich was close and look what the party did to him.
However, putting a Democrat in the White House and increasing the majorities in both houses will be better for working people in the long run.
When that happens then we on the left will be in a better position to fight for what we need.

[inthebrain]

14. There's a reason why the hates Kucinich and caters to Edwards.

Edwards will toe their line in office.

BANK ON IT.