I have a feeling something will expose Obama.

[Justice Is Comin]

I just have a strong feeling something will. I don't know what--whether it will be surprise testimony in the Rezco trial maybe even from Rezco himself, or a huge gaffe in a debate or maybe even something as unorthodox as a verifiable discovery by the National Enquirer. I just have a strong feeling something will eventually surface.

The more delegates he acquires, the more intense the scrutiny is going to get by every reporter and opposition research devotee in the country. He is just way too slick to not have something that will emerge. He hasn't begun to feel what scrutiny is yet. Unlike what Edwards already underwent or fifty six million dollars spent trying to put the political permanent death knell on Hillary Clinton. There will be closets looked into Obama himself doesn't even know exist.

I think it will be something that will shock the Obama cult riders to their core and turn public opinion within a week. Something the media will ride like a Brahma bull. I only hope it's not too late whatever it is if it happens. Because it's only a feeling.

But the elders already see through the illusion. They've been through the wars and understand the gravity of turning over this kind of power to a slickster that doesn't even have one full term of experience in the U.S. Senate yet. It's almost imaginary delusion that we would take someone with this kind of experience and put him in a position where he will have influence over literally, six billion people. It's something out of a television movie.

The younger voters jumping on this bandwagon have no concept of that power. They're looking at this like it's a football rally. Yay Obama.

I hope and pray my prognostication is correct. That he will be exposed for the illusionist he is before the convention. Because if Obama gets enough delegates to clinch the nomination, the RNC and the 527's will take over from there and hang on. It will be Katie bar the door.

If you think Harold Ford was savaged, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

But what's even worse, even if they lose they win. They may be just as happy with him as president as they would McCain. I'd go so far as to say, maybe even happier. This is a win-win.

McCain is the one ferret they can't keep in the cage. He gives them migraines. Obama will be putty for them. They will turn him into a Pelosi or Reid within six months. Edwards is who they have nightmares about. And as much as I hate to say it, they won't do it with Hillary either. She's a whole other Rubik's cube of government-as-usual by the lobbyists. But they won't roll over her.

They'll send Obama to lame duck land within six months.

If I ever had a suspicion about something that I hoped would come true, boy I hope it's this one.

If the masses don't see Obama for the disaster he would be before we can do something about it, boy, we're just screwed again.

[H2O Man]

1. sad

[neutron]

19. Rezko was quickly glossed over

My problem with Obama is he harbors grudges. Even in his SC speech, he had to get a dig in at the Clintons.
That mentality is what brought Nixon down.

[AX10]

32. Obama is very similar to Bush.

[FrenchieCat]

43. That is such a flat out smear, what you are saying.....

until, it is very disturbing.

Ted Kennedy and many other very progressive folks disagree with this unfounded assessment of yours.

You are simply out of step....living in the last century. Hope that one day, once you become intellectually honest, you come to realize that you chose to be left behind when you didn't have to.

[indimuse]

47. REZKO trail date..is the only FUTURE I s see...

get real..

[BenDavid]

82. February 08, the 25th or 26th I believe....it will be an embarass-

ment to obama and even though he is not named in the indictment obama is named as the " political figure"

[GoldieAZ49]

49. thank you

[Tatiana]

70. That's an awful statement and blatantly untrue.

Why, as a Democrat, would you liken ANY of our candidates to Bush? There is absolutely no proof or basis for such an argument.

VERY SAD.

[Hutzpa]

91. He is a trollbot n/t

[burythehatchet]

85. Actually he's a combination of Jesse Jackson and George Bush with a

sprinkle of a Muslim terrorist.

[H2O Man]

44. sad +

[sunonmars]

2. my gut tells me the same

I just can't trust the guy no matter how i try, he just gives me that far too goody two shoes feeling.

Sorry, its my bad but i just cannot take to Obama. I usually have good instincts and i trust them.

[AX10]

33. Same here.

[alcibiades_mystery]

56. The GUT is the key repository for TRUTHINESS!

So your gut feelings are certainly truthy!

:rofl:

[Vanje]

60. Right you are!

Truthiness = guts

I have a lot more respect for opinions that emerge from someones cranium.
What comes from one's guts is pretty much confined to gas and feces, and is not really very useful.

[tishaLA]

61. well you know you have more nerve endings in your gut

than in your brain. look it up!

[alcibiades_mystery]

67. This is true

I once saw a very good paper on the role of the gut in cognitive psychology - expansion of the neural network theories. Very interesting. That said, the Hillary supporters on this board are very fond of yelling "groupthink" and "emotionalism" at Obama supporters, so it's curious to see an OP that relies on the gut "feelings" to make a claim. :-)

[Mz Pip]

3. A feeling...

Sorry, not good enough.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[BringBigDogBack]

4. very, very sad.

One word, if Obama is our nom.

Coattails.


Huge fucking coattails.

[MadBadger]

6. Whose coattails?

[BringBigDogBack]

22. Obama's

Not only would we sweep up the electorate with Obama as our candidate, we would make HUGE inroads down ticket.

[Pirate Smile]

5. Justice is blind.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

7. Very nice, referring to Obama as a "slickster" and supporters as "cultists". Sure to bring those

supporters into the fold if HRC should win the nomination. :eyes:

[neutron]

21. then maybe his operatives will

stop referring to the President and Senator as the "Clinton Machine"

[Auntie Bush]

73. That's absolutely nothing compared to what Obamaites have said about Hillary!

They haven't shown me that they care a much what Hillorites think or trying to bring us into the Obama fold. They have been viciously attacking Hillary and you have the nerve to get your panties in a wad because someone had the NERVE to critic is your precious Obama...get used to it...you haven't seen anything yet. Wait to the GE when the right wing go into full attack mode. Grow up! Better put a triple layer of flame suits on because you're going to need it and that might not be enough. Better have a lake near by you can quickly jump in and cool off.

I'd say YOU have your nerve alienating me! I would have much rather heard good things about Obama instead of a shit load of hate toward Hillary. That would make it much easier to support him...but you and your cohorts have throughly alienated and offended me. I was not originally a Hillary lover.. I didn't know who I liked best or who would be best for our country. However, after seeing all the shit flung around here on DU...I felt it necessary to come to a fellow Democrats aid. In short time I was farced to become a Hillary supporter...afterall that's all I saying every time I was here. So thanks Mayberry and Obamaites...you made me become a Hillaryite. Aren't you proud of yourself? And your offended about someone calling him slickster. Have you ever heard someone called Slick Willy?
Grow up!

[Justice Is Comin]

84. You go girl.

Auntie is fired up and she's not going where Obama is goin'.

[Clarkansas]

8. Just expose him as The Black Candidate, and your dreams will come true

Repeat after me... Jesse Jackson is Barack Obama is Jesse Jackson is Barack Obama is Jesse Jackson is Barack Obama is Jesse Jackson is Barack Obama is Jesse Jackson is Barack Obama is Jesse Jackson is Barack Obama is Jesse Jackson is Barack Obama is Jesse Jackson is Barack Obama is Jesse Jackson is Barack Obama is Jesse Jackson is Barack Obama is Jesse Jackson is Barack Obama is Jesse Jackson is Barack Obama is Jesse Jackson.

[The_Casual_Observer]

29. Expose him as the black candidate?

How do you prevent it?

[yardwork]

9. This is really helpful. Not.

[cali]

10. wishful thinking

sorry, cupcake, very unlikely. Learn to live with the fact that Obama is a major contender here without exposing your pathetic side. Try just sucking it up.

[ClericJohnPreston]

64. Do you have a food fetish?

"cupcake"? Just askin.....

[Auntie Bush]

92. Still calling people cupcake? Can't you think of another food for your fight?

You seem to lack an imagination. Bye for now...Cupcake!

[Olney Blue]

11. I respectfully disagree with you, Justice.

[CalebHayes]

12. And I don't have that feeling.

[ellisonz]

13. May God have mercy on your whithered soul...

[journalist3072]

Agree wholeheartedly. eom

[GalleryGod]

58. A Proctologist's DREAM.

Bitter,Hatred,everything one needs for perfect, "Keyboard Kommando" bravado.

"eom" fits like a glove........

[thunder rising]

14. Meds, meds. Must remember meds.

[MadBadger]

15. Okay, and I think that if Hillary gets the nomination, Bill's infidelity will come out and ruin her.

[David__77]

24. Yeah I know.

We know the Clintons are damaged goods in a sense. So, what, go with the trouble you know? Is this the argument?

I know that DU and the progressive movement can withstand a lot, but I the shit flying around here just cannot be believed.

[neutron]

26. if that tactic didn't work last time

why do you think it will work now?
The media trotted out streams and streams of women
and he was elected and re-elected like a charm.

[ClassWarrior]

16. Like what, a wardrobe malfunction??

:silly:

NGU.

[Rosemary2205]

40. Maybe the missus will whip one out for us??

That would be even more fun than 14 years of Clenis envy. :)

[Tatiana]

17. Come on. How do we go from "I have a dream" to "I have a feeling something will expose Obama."

All candidates are vetted through the election process. If something comes out regarding Obama, he'll deal with it.

[geiger]

18. like George W Bush? Please get a hold of your bad thoughts, and

if you haven't heard John Kerry's endorsement speech, take a listen there.

http://www.johnkerry.com/

it's time to suspend disbelief.

[Seabiscuit]

20. Understand your feelings, but for me its his policies which we haven't had a

chance to truly scrutinize over the glitz. The Nation magazine has an interesting article about the economic stimulus packages by all three and frankly Obama's proposal is lacking. Here is a quick snippet:


"As the sub prime mortgage debacle drives a recession that threatens financial markets around the world, the Democratic presidential candidates are pushing plans to address the crisis. John Edwards and Hillary Clinton are pledging substantial federal resources to stabilize the mortgage market and intervene on behalf of borrowers. Barack Obama's proposal is tepid by comparison, short on aggressive government involvement and infused with conservative rhetoric about fiscal responsibility. As he has done on domestic issues like healthcare, job creation and energy policy, Obama is staking out a position to the right of not only populist Edwards but Clinton as well.

Edwards's plan includes a mandatory moratorium on foreclosures, a freeze on rising interest rates for at least seven years, federal subsidies to help homeowners keep up with payments and restructure loans, and explicit measures to rein in predatory lenders and regulate the financial sector. Clinton's plan is weaker--a voluntary moratorium, a shorter freeze, less commitment to new regulations--but she has promised $30 billion in federal aid to help reeling homeowners and communities.

Only Obama has not called for a moratorium and interest-rate freeze. Though he has been a proponent of mortgage fraud legislation in the Senate, he has remained silent on further financial regulations. And much like his broader economic stimulus package, Obama's foreclosure plan mostly avoids direct government spending in favor of a tax credit for homeowners, which amounts to about $500 on average, beyond which only certain borrowers would be eligible for help from an additional fund."

There is more in the article and I really would like to see a debate where we get the "real" information on their stances and ideas because in the end that's what its about.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080211/fraser

[geiger]

28. consider judgement and character....

...to take back America's rightful place in world leadership.

[Seabiscuit]

36. Yes, there is that.

I don't think any of our candidates could screw up as bad as George Bush has so in the end I will support the DEMO. nominee, but in order to be fully secure in my vote our nominee needs to be properly vetted.

[GoldieAZ49]

48. I prefer Obama's plan

If people bought homes they couldn't afford why should our tax dollars bail them out? If these banks made big loans to people with poor credit out of their greed, why should tax payers subsidize them?

If you sign a contract without reading it, why should the taxpayers cover you for it?

Forclosed homes are much cheaper to buy, they will sell again.

The market needs to correct itself. an interest rate freeze destroys competition. Would you like your rate frozen at 20% even tho the fed just lowered the prime rate????? Sure you would.

Hillary's $30 billion in federal aid is not her money, or the governments money it is OUR MONEY.

Don't you get tired of being bribed with your own money? I do, and I won't vote for it.

[Seabiscuit]

89. You're missing the boat here.

1. We're part of a world economy. This week there were selloffs all over the planet in response to fears that Bush's proposed stimulus plan was too little, too late, to prevent a U.S. recession. In response to the worldwide selloff, U.S. markets have continued to tumble. We're not an economy in a bubble. Everything that happens here has ripple effects around the globe. The meltdown in our subprime mortgage market caused a credit crisis first here, and then everywhere. Taking the narrow, Republican (yes, I'll say it!) view that it's all the fault of a bunch of stupid buyers who deserve to lose their homes because they either didn't read the fine print in their contracts or because they just aren't willing to fulfill their contractual obligations not only ignores reality, not only fails to solve the current problem, but perpetuates the problem of predatory lending, and its consequences.

2. The subprime mortgage market is a direct result of an unregulated sub-industry that allowed predatory lending practices to go unchecked. People who would never qualify for legitimate mortgages were told they could still afford the house they wanted but were never told of the real consequences in real dollars about the grace period - i.e. what really happened when their 0% or 1% or 2% interest rates for 2-5 years expired. And sure enough, when the grace periods expired, they got huge mortgage bills in the mail which were way beyond their budgets. The buyers targeted by these predatory lenders were, of course, the poor, the minorities, and the lower-middle-class people who have been forced out of their savings and out on the street. And they weren't the only ones harmed by such practices - the very banks who backed the subprime loans are now losing value, if not on the verge of bankruptcy themselves; credit problems rippled from one company to another, from one industry, to another, and on and on - all industries are related when it comes to credit (when A can't pay B, B can't pay C, C can't pay D, etc. ad infinitum); the stock market has been collapsing, and it has affected everything and everyone around the planet.

3. The subprime mortgage contracts are known as adhesion contracts, where one party, the lender, has all the bargaining power; they are also fraudulent contracts in that the buyers were induced into signing them with misinformation and lack of full disclosure of the terms; they are for both reasons subject to rescission and reformation, which is what the Edwards plan proposes. The people targeted by these predatory lenders deserve another mention - aside from being overwhelmingly poor, minority, and middle class, they are chosen for those qualities for one reason: they are all first-time buyers who are fundamentally ignorant about mortgage transactions, finance, credit, lending terms, and even basic budgeting. They are the kind of people who get in trouble with their credit cards not because they are spendthrifts or careless, but because they don't understand interest rate terms. They believe that so long as they make the minimum payment for each card each month, that they're "paying off" their credit cards. Meanwhile, the effect of 20+% interest has never been explained to them by anyone. They don't understand that the minimum payments are calculated to keep them in debt for decades. Years go by and they wake up scratching their heads wondering why their credit card balances are still so high. Don't laugh - this is extremely common in America - I ran into many of them in my law practice years ago when they came to me wondering about bankruptcy, and there are even relatives in my wife's family that ran into that problem over the years. They're not irresponsible people - just ignorant about the way finance works.

Your ignorant and destructive right-wing talking points are duly noted, duly dismissed, and after I post this, duly "ignored".

[Justice Is Comin]

79. He only came out with a healthcare plan too

after Edwards already had one published and distributed. He was getting hammered because he didn't have one.

The results speak for themselves; at least fifteen million most deserving no soup for you. Right on about the interest rate cap too.

He has lobbyists for big business crawling all through his background. This no cap on interest was a "this Bud's for you to them, gift. Along with a real estate mogul who just happened to head his campaign finance committee and get him a small break on his million dollar personal pad.

There are myriads of reasons to keep him from the White House.

[cali]

23. bwahahahaha: Elders see thru him: You mean like Kennedy and Leahy

and Gary Hart and Tom Daschle and dozens more who actually, unlike YOU, know him? Yeah, they're just stupid old suckers. Hey, I know, why don't you just call them senile right wing tools?

Could your post have been lamer? NO.

[Justice Is Comin]

57. Where's the

cupcake?

I've come to be fond of it, oh cupcake God

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[aint_no_life_nowhere]

27. "If you think Harold Ford was savaged"

I hope you just tossed that reference out there without thinking about it.

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[tishaLA]

62. yeah it stuck out a bit didn't it?

the OP prolly just thinks it's calling a spade a spade or something.

[AX10]

30. You and Seabiscuit.

I agree with both of you.

"But the elders already see through the illusion. They've been through the wars and understand the gravity of turning over this kind of power to a slickster that doesn't even have one full term of experience in the U.S. Senate yet. It's almost imaginary delusion that we would take someone with this kind of experience and put him in a position where he will have influence over literally, six billion people. It's something out of a television movie.

The younger voters jumping on this bandwagon have no concept of that power. They're looking at this like it's a football rally. Yay Obama.

I hope and pray my prognostication is correct. That he will be exposed for the illusionist he is before the convention. Because if Obama gets enough delegates to clinch the nomination, the RNC and the 527's will take over from there and hang on. It will be Katie bar the door.

If you think Harold Ford was savaged, you ain't seen nothin' yet."

The msm will help give Obama the nomination before sending out any guns after him.
Also, I am not an elder, but I understand the world in the way they do. I have never been young.
I understand the problem of turning power over to a "slickster" as you say.
I trust experience.
Hillary has had everything thrown at her. She is still standing.
Obama is untested.

[BeatleBoot]

45. Couldn't agree more. And this from Bartcop.com

http://www.bartcop.com/


Quotes

"We knew Barack would be competing with Senator Clinton and President Clinton
at the same time. We expected that Bill Clinton would tout his record from the nineties
and talk about Hillary's role in his past success ... What we didn't expect, at least not
from our fellow Democrats, are the win-at-all-costs tactics we've seen recently."
-- Michelle Obama, Link



Michelle, with all due respect, because I like you and your husband,
but you're not even seeing 10% of "win at all costs."

If you think this is a tough and dirty campaign, it can only be because
you're new to the harsh realities of national hardball politics.

If your husband gets the Demo nomination, you're going to see the most insulting
and inhuman tactics that would even make Lee Atwater's skelton stand and salute.

Trust me - you're getting the smooooooth velvet glove treatment right now.

[Bitwit1234]

31. So sad someone is telling the truth

all the smears all the crap and all the swift boating of Hillary with nothing to back it up...well that's what is SAD.

[cali]

37. sad that you're so confused that you think speculation and opinion

rooted in hate and partisanship are truth. Just pathetic.

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[EFerrari]

35. Sometimes reading DU, I have junior high flashbacks.

lol

[jlake]

38. Sadly, I think it will happen in the GE if he is the nominee.

[Drunken Irishman]

39. Maybe it's just gas?

[Occam Bandage]

42. I'm glad to see that

Obama can make people just as deranged as Clinton can.

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[dailykoff]

50. Nope, he's earned his teflon and he wears it well.

The GOP can't stoop any lower than Bill and Hill so I don't expect their smears to do any more harm than Hilly's boomerangs.

[ecstatic]

51. Because Obama JUST HAS TO BE CROOKED, right?

:eyes:

[alcibiades_mystery]

54. Wink wink...gnaw mean? Gnaw'm sayin'...

Yeesh.

[ErnestoG]

52. Another Obama smear thread. Ho hum.

I guess it's inevitable. What's next? Let me guess....

Obama will be exposed as one of the Bilderburg Group.

Obama will be photographed leading a Bohemian Grove Moloch ritual.

A photo will surface showing Obama playing pinochle with Saddam Hussein and his sons.

A video will come to light on YouTube showing Obama planting explosives in the WTC parking lot.


How am I doin' here?

[Jed Dilligan]

55. The b in his name is actually a sigma with a boner nt

[ErnestoG]

59. Ohhh, the "Ossama" thing huh....

Do you work for Faux Snooze, by chance?

[tishaLA]

63. he's scull and bones

[ErnestoG]

74. No, he's not.

That's a common lie going around about him. He is not from a privileged background, which is one of the main requirements of membership in the S&B - read more about them here.

Obama has been endorsed by the S&B, but he was never a member.

[tishaLA]

77. it was a joke

on a thread that deserved no better

[Jed Dilligan]

81. ditto for mine. nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

53. I thought it was the Obama fans who had nothing but "feelings" and "emotions"

:eyes:

Very substantial post, there. Your gut "feeling" serves as strong evidence of the truthiness of your claims...

[ClericJohnPreston]

65. What you have are links

always links, when asked direct policy questions. Ever wonder why? Hmmm?

[alcibiades_mystery]

68. Because it serves as definitive evidence that

the people claiming there is no position are wrong?

Seems like as good an answer as any you're imputing. Why not go directly to the source?

[ClericJohnPreston]

69. Nice

RATIONALIZATION. And that is all that is.

You can't state a policy, if all you have is a nebulous outline, for you partisans to project your own interpretation.

Cogitate on that.

[alcibiades_mystery]

72. You don't like the answer

So it's rationalization.

Have fun with that.

[VotesForWomen]

66. i agree; he hasn't been subject to any real scrutiny. nt

[mnhtnbb]

71. He's never even been through a tough state wide race. I mean, look what they did to Kerry.

[Justice Is Comin]

76. That was a stroll on the beach

compared to what this will be.

Here's hoping that's the thing that saves us.

We have a way of refusing to learn from history. The elephant crap is right there on the ground but we're always looking at the clouds. We step right in it.

[Bright Eyes]

75. "A strong feeling"

Like Chertoff's "Gut feeling"?

[elana i am]

78. does obama really

strike you as someone that monumentally stupid or sociopathic? a tom delay or even a romney maybe...

[Tulkas]

80. His KINDERGARTEN ESSAY ??? if that didn't do it I dunno what will

Faith based support.


Forget facts..


You sound like a Bushie

[CK_John]

83. The swiftboat crew will tie him to the Kenya situation, n/t

[burythehatchet]

86. The one thing I really respect about Clinton supporters is that they

don't engage in groupthink. So many fresh and interesting takes emerge to enlighten so many of us. Stay unique, guys. We luv ya.

[Auntie Bush]

94. We love your lack of hate filled rhetoric too. It's refreshing, patriotic

and grown-up thinking. I used to wonder who was my second choice after Biden dropped out. Not anymore...I'll happily vote for Edwards even though the Edwards and Clark gangs used to feud in 2004. Those are now long forgotten days and Obamaites have turned me off and Edwardies have turned me on. Go John and Elizabeth!

[MissDeeds]

87. Quite a post

:hide: Prepare for incoming

[Justice Is Comin]

90. Ha ha ha , I'm used to it.

I fly pretty low over the target sometimes.

[michaz]

93. Sounds like this is how you get attention!! n/t

[CreekDog]

88. In just the past two weeks, look at the bombshell that is finally getting media attention

Obama is a black man.

:yoiks:

:sarcasm:

[Faux pas]

95. I'm hoping he will be exposed too. I believe he's a true religious

zealot who will make the phony-born-again-boosh look like one of the Brothers Grimm. Am I the only one who notices that crazy rapturous look he gets on his face when he's speaking? Like maybe God is whispering in his ear? It gives me goose(step)bumps, heebie jeebies, chills and the urge to crap my pants and puke at the same time.

Danger Will Robinson. :nuke: