Obama isn't likable "enough"

[Proud2BAmurkin]

I like Obama's speeches but he's bumbling and disorganized in a debate setting and in interviews he comes off as somewhat angry or annoyed or something I can't put my finger on. If you saw This Week you know what I mean.

Point is, he's not a "likable" candidate. That will matter in the general election. Here's how I predict it will go.

McCain will talk non stop for a week about do we want "a candidate with one year of experience in the senate before he started running for president." Obama's numbers drop to 45%.

Obama will be interviewed and debated and people will see what his personality is like. Numbers drop another 10% in month 2.

A candidate running with no experience trying to be the "inspirational" candidate has to be likable.

Election over.

[NightWatcher]

1. ...and HIllary gives you the warm fuzzies?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

6. no, I've said before I don't "like" any of them but Obama must be liked.

Clinton is neutral in the likability but Obama would need to be liked to be the "inspiring" candidate.

[thunder rising]

12. Then your a troll and we can ask the monitors to finally axe you!

[Proud2BAmurkin]

41. I'm a troll for not "liking" the candidates? Huh?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

75. If all you do is post negative shit about the candidates, what purpose does DU serve for you?

[Auntie Bush]

49. Most ridiculous post EVER.

You'd be laughed off DU yourself. The mods will be cracking up.

[neutron]

16. Hillary has the sharpest mind

She outfoxed Obama and Edwards in the NH and NV debates.
A tireless worker, and brilliant.
Obama can give a good feel good speech, but he fades.

[FarCenter]

31. Hillary reminds white men of all those white women managers

Hillary has an uncanny knack for reminding white men of all those under-qualified, over-promoted, affimative action white women managers that they worked for circa 1975-1995.

The animosity is huge and deeply felt.

She probably evokes a similar reaction from blacks, who started to benefit from affirmative action in the early '70s before it was co-opted by white women. Black men and black families were particularly hurt, since management then went on to favor the black women over men in order to get "two-fers" to better their statistics.

Now that Clintons' campaign is taking on the flavor of an extra-constitutional restoration of the Bill Clinton presidency, it starts to remind men of him.

While men were being sent to sensitivity training and treading carefully in order not to be accused of sexual harrassment charges, the phony hypocrite was getting hummers in the Oval Office.

[neutron]

39. A President should be who you'd drink a Beer with

Like the one we have now.
Not like that French guy, Kerry.
And those hyper energized, brilliant females get the job done better
but phew. I mean she wouldn't know a Giant from a Bear
Bush might've ruined the country, but damned if I wouldn't
wanna share a Sud with the guy over Texas Wrestling.

[Dervill Crow]

45. I don't drink beer with alcoholics, but I certainly get your point!

That was undoubtedly the stupidest reason for voting for * that anyone could have come up with.

It just goes to show that presidential elections are decided by . . . oh, geez, I don't have any idea what. Scary.

[FarCenter]

48. I'd rather go quail hunting with Cheney than have a beer with Bush

IIRC, Bush went to prep school in New England, and then went to Yale, where he was president of his fraternity, member of Skull & Bones, and a cheerleader.

Not the sort of person you'd want to have a beer with.

I voted for Kerry, and he seems like someone to have a beer with.

[neutron]

42. That's the mindset that prevents

talented women from being hired in a lot of fields.

[FarCenter]

53. Younger women managers are more fully-qualified

Lots of young women managers are truely qualified and excellent at their jobs.

And in politics we have women governors and other high office holders that have attained their positions on merit.

But Hillary's qualifications are extremely dubious, and without being Bill's wife, she wouldn't be in the running.

[roguevalley]

54. all you have to do with McCain is make him mad and watch him

flair into the stratosphere. also, get him on the record with the war and his million year occupation remark and he's toast.

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[calmblueocean]

51. Thirded.

Sorry.

[Occam Bandage]

64. If it's a deleted message in a PTBA thread, I'm probably in agreement.

[AX10]

3. Obama does well in personal settings.

Come 2/5, his weakness will show.

[neutron]

18. he's usually dull

when he goes off script

[DS1]

4. It's finally time

/Edwards supporter

[Starbucks Anarchist]

5. I thought I left this in the fridge.

[patrice]

7. Yes he is. His supporters are a bad example of his message. That makes a lot of people

mistrust him. You have to ask yourself, who is it here that doesn't understand what? Does Obama not understand what is going on? Or are his supporters lying to us?

In either case . . .

John Edwards or Un-Committed ALL of the Way!!!

[lwcon]

8. I don't like his speeches

Full of sound and "unity," and signifying nothing.

A lot of people think they're teh awesome, so maybe they'll help a Dem get elected. But I just hear the old triangulation in a new bottle.

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[cboy4]

9. Oh I don't know. I don't think he comes across angry or

annoyed.

I haven't really noticed that.

I just don't believe anything he says.

[patrice]

19. Sometimes anger is justified. The question is how you learn to use it:

constructively or destructively and in what situations.

[thunder rising]

10. Oh Proud your such a beacon of inspiration. You ever heard McCain speak ... he's senile

[mth44sc]

11. I like him

well enough...

[THUNDER HANDS]

13. oh the Beatles, they're just a fad, give me Bobby Daren

[lwcon]

22. He's Jesus, Martin Luther King, and the Beatles!

And Picasso, Beethoven, and Dale Earnhardt, Sr.! I hope he's Elle Macpherson, too. I always liked her.

Let's all play! Who else is Barack Obama?

(He's been adopted as a Kennedy, I'll give you that.)

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[THUNDER HANDS]

24. he's about as close to those people

as we're likely to get in politics.

[alcibiades_mystery]

33. ROFL

[realFedUp]

15. I just don't trust him.

He wiggles out of things he said prior and
revises his statements and doesn't admit that. I hate that.

[shaniqua6392]

17. I really keep trying to like him.

There is just something I can't put my finger on that I don't trust. Maybe I am just cynical. I keep seeing these people follow him like Zombies and it creeps me out. No politician is worthy of worship like that. My family and friends say the same thing. There is just something we do not like. The last time we saw people think a politician was the next best thing to Jesus, was the Republicans with Bush. We all know where that got us. I just don't really know him and I don't think the media has vetted him that well to give us a really accurate view.

[AtomicKitten]

20. Tell that to almost 300,000 voters in SC.

Obama is not only the most likable candidate, he is the most respected as born out in just about all polling on those questions of character.

[patrice]

23. . . . in a rigged system. Do you really think the things that happened in Florida in 2000

just disappeared?

That doesn't even mention the financing and media issues.

[ErnestoG]

68. Obama rigged the Florida 2000 election?

Wow. The sheer evil of that man!

[patrice]

72. No, of course not. There continues to be problems with how votes are counted.

Not to mention campaign finance.

[cd3dem]

21. Obama is a disaster once the republicans attack him, he can't take criticizm

with a McCain Obama match-up... he loses big time! the republican party is salivating....

http://hominidviews.com/?p=1250

http://hominidviews.com/?p=1237

[Thrill]

27. What do you think the Repukes are going to do to Hillary?

LMAO. They can't stand her. And she fires up their base. They've prepared 10 yrs to face her. What Obama will go through from them is nothing like what Hillary will

[cd3dem]

34. get your head out of the sand... they will take Obama down... they have no heart for anyone

check it out!

http://hominidviews.com/?p=1250

http://hominidviews.com/?p=1237

[Thrill]

36. The attacks won't stick on Obama

they will on Clinton. The dislike for her is already there. We have a better chance with Obama.

[cd3dem]

73. if they can attack a war hero (Kerry) and glorify Bush, then what makes you think Obama is immune?

[alcibiades_mystery]

Take criticism? You can't even spell criticism

:rofl:

[Political Heretic]

26. That is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard, and he isn't even my candidate!!!

My god people, some of your pathetic attempts to smear the "other guy" are really mind-blowing.

Not likable? Give me a freaking break. Every single person I've talked to who has come back from an Obama event, and yes I've talked to quite a few, has been simply mesmerized by his charisma and ability to instill a feeling of hope and energy into the crowd.

He's probably got the most charisma factor going of ANY Democrat we had running since Bill Clinton, and I'm even including my candidate, whom I strongly support - John Edwards - when I say that.

There may be reasons not to support Obama, but this isn't one of them.

[flordehinojos]

28. perhaps that which you cannot put your finger on is a certain snootiness that he has.

or, it could be the fact that while he tries to speakadult ... his thought organization is really like that of a 12 year old (and i will add addict) who has trouble, as you say, putting his thoughts together in an organized coherent fashion. sometimes it seems as if he is wondering around in space, looking for the words that might fit the clearing or the fog. people from caroline kennedy, to ted kennedy to many others are not really paying attention...and should he get the nomination and win the elections (which up against any republican i don't think he will) we will soon see george w. bush resurface in the person of barack obama.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

44. It's something like that and like someone else said can't take criticism.

[flordehinojos]

67. yeah, wears his feelings on his sleeves

he whines to the main stream press and they wipe off his nose.

[opihimoimoi]

29. McLame is tainted with the Hug Of Death.....he is a Loser. Obama is Fresh Meat

If he is our Nom...he must be able to convince America of his PLAN, Blueprint, Map, Direction.....and, a good running Mate....

Should the VP Nom be Hillary? CW sez so....but....the scars must be healed first.....will they?

I suggest Sheldon Whitehouse from RI...he too a Jr Senator but an eloquent orator/thinker.

[alcibiades_mystery]

30. "Something I can't put my finger on..."

Incisive empirical research!

:rofl:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

46. like Obama and voting buttons

[alcibiades_mystery]

55. You are the most cleverest cutest board spammer EVAAAAAHHHH!

:rofl:

Don't be sad because you generalize your own particular feelings and then get called on your stupidity. It's OK, schnookums. You'll be alright.

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[GoldieAZ49]

43. such language!!!

I couldn't agree more

:toast:

[BringBigDogBack]

35. look at the votes....

instead making all these grand ASSumptions.

He's got more votes than your candidate so far. I guess he's likeable enough.

[cali]

37. voters find him quite likable

much as that seems to chafe at you. Of course, I love your pain over all this. In fact, I savor it.

[OmahaBlueDog]

38. Geeez..... You're just wrong

His family couldn't have been put together better by an advertising firm.....

He's positive and upbeat. Hope generally beats fear in American politics.

McCain's sound bite of "we will stay in Iraq for a million years" will be played over and over; e-mails reminding every GOP evangelical of all the reasons they hate him will be widely circulated. McCain will counter with war hero status, experience, and consrevative voting record. Obama will counter with McCain = Washington Insider accusations, and slam GOP handling of economy , Katrina, War, Enron, US Attornies -- additionally, McCain's long voting record will be dissected and every speech he's ever made will be poured over for inconsistencies. Rove attack machine will smear Obama on Muslimness.

In the end, America will vote for the taller, better looking candidate. Victory Obama.

[Turn CO Blue]

40. Who recommended this? I challenge you to show yourselves!

What a flamebait title on a asinine, stupid premise - as though the idiotic "likeability-factor" didn't get us into this mess in 2000. And as though the OP is the judge anyone would ask about Obama being likable anyway.






Go John! All the way to Denver! I'll be holding a sign for you when you get here!

[CalebHayes]

47. He is still the most likable candidate of both parties.

[Bitwit1234]

50. He's not going to be the candidate so it doesn't matter.

HILLARY WILL """"BE"""""THE NEXT PRESIDENT.

[smoogatz]

52. Your desperation is like fine wine to me.

Keep it coming.

[Tatiana]

56. I hope people take a good look at these threads and our level of discourse. n/t

[rucky]

57. Because McCain is so darn likeable!

Dontcha just want to give him a big hug?

[OhioChick]

58. I Think He's "Likable Enough"

and I'm an Edwards Supporter.

[democrat2thecore]

59. ANOTHER negative thread from this poster

Does it ever end????

Obama not likable? I've heard 'em all now. I thought even opponents agree he's likable.

You're a puzzle - but the pieces have finally come together for a lot of us at DU.

[democrat2thecore]

60. SEE ALL THESE NEGATIVE THREADS? Making a point is all. -nt

[tammywammy]

61. Not "likable" enough

Now I've read it all. Even my republican friends find him likable.

[whatchamacallit]

62. What? You need to have your dosage checked. n/t

[Occam Bandage]

63. Yes, Obama is not likable. Also, black is green and green is purple.

[ErnestoG]

65. Oh great...whats the next complaint, his "electability"?

You KNOW that train aint never late!

[LibraLiz1973]

66. I think we could win against McCain but I don't believe he will be the nominee

I think it will be Romney or Huckabee

Not sure what that means

[terrya]

69. He passes the "would you have a beer with this candidate" test

Which, for some reason, people put a lot of stock in.

[cd3dem]

77. yes the beer test counts 80% and the experience test counts 20%

that is how we got Bush

[denem]

70. Proud2BDisrutptor much?

[matcom]

71. KICK

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

74. P2BA's self-contradiction #2418

"I like Obama's speeches."

"I feel queazy listening to Obama."

I sure hope you don't think you're fooling anybody.

[milkyway]

76. What's this, a new tacic of yours, praising Obama before you slip into your typical nonsense? Bill

threaten to cut your pay?

[Tulkas]

78. Go look for your credibility, you seem to have lost it.. Compare him to Hillary!!

Gimme a break.


Hillary's shrill voice peels paint off the wall.

[goodhue]

79. hilarious stuff

do you write your own material?

[Tatiana]

80. I know matcom loved this one... n/t

[Thrill]

81. YAWN

[ErnestoG]

82. Do a Google search on Hillary, and then Obama, and compare hate sites

There, that solves your "likability" issue.