So the Clinton camp leaked the Ted Kennedy endorsement?

[wndycty]

What do you think their motivation is. Look for the the Clintons to start trashing Teddy. I predict that will be saying shit that would make even right wing bigots blush.

[goldcanyonaz]

1. Isn't he a status quo Dem, like her? I'm trying to keep up with who is and who isn't

status quo...

[Armstead]

72. No he's not -- He's been a consistent liberal when it wasn't cool

[MonkeyFunk]

2. Wrong

they've already said very nice things about Kennedy.

[wndycty]

5. Yes they will say nice things and have, but behind the scenes they . . .

. . .will be starting whisper campaigns, pushing stories, surrogates will be on the attack and every effort will be made to marginalize Kennedy. Just you watch.

[Occam Bandage]

7. I hate unfounded predictions of behind-the-scenes slander. It doesn't help anyone.

[neutron]

19. The MA Rat Pack

The Buddy Club vs Hillary Clinton

[Occam Bandage]

26. That's hardly better.

[neutron]

33. Oh please

This is politics. You open your Yap then expect a response.
(People caught on to Obama's "Attack 'N Whine" ploy)

[Occam Bandage]

41. ...

:eyes:

[Enrique]

11. and so your prediction can not possibly be proven wrong

classic smear job you just did! :toast:

[yardwork]

14. Democrats don't need to do that. Republicans will do it for them.

You can't imagine how much the Kennedys are loathed among white people in the south. Their endorsement is not going to help any Democratic candidate. They should have stayed out of it.

And as for Bill Clinton vs. Ted Kennedy - again, you can't imagine how much Ted Kennedy is reviled among white people in the south. They will bring up Chappaquidick at the drop of a hat. I'm not kidding. So will all the white people in the midwest.

I wish that the Kennedys would stay out of this campaign. They're not going to help any Democratic candidate. Really.

[GoldieAZ49]

43. Teddy knows who hates him

In the Boston.com article about his endorsement he is going to campaign for the Hispanic vote, the main stronghold of the Clintons

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/ted_kennedy_end.html

Kennedy plans to campaign actively for Obama, an aide said, and will focus particularly among Hispanics and labor union members, who are important voting blocks in several Feb. 5 states, including California, New York, New Jersey, Arizona and New Mexico.

[neutron]

59. Can't help but think

there's a smidge of Jealousy and Spite in all this.
Kerry screwed his running mate, Edwards.
These rich old geezers have huge egos and petty agendas IMHO.

[yardwork]

63. If Kennedy stays in those states it will be ok.

[DURHAM D]

45. Kennedy is also loathed throughout the midwest and southwest.

All of the excitement about Obama maybe getting his endorsement amuses me - he was such a big help for John Kerry...

[yardwork]

60. The two places that Democrats MUST win to win the election!

You tell it, Durham D. We know. I grew up in the midwest and I live in the south. I think that Teddy Kennedy is an excellent senator. I like Caroline Kennedy. Unfortunately, the great majority of white people in my states don't agree.

[Tropics_Dude83]

70. Well...I argue this:

You can't imagine how much the Clintons are loathed among white people in the south. Their candidacy is not going to help any Democratic candidate. They should have stayed out of it.

And as for Bill Clinton vs. Ted Kennedy - again, you can't imagine how much Bill Clinton is reviled among white people in the south. They will bring up Monica Lewinsky and Whitewater at the drop of a hat. I'm not kidding. So will all the white people in the midwest.

I wish that Hillary and Bill Clinton had stayed out of this campaign. They're not going to help any Democratic candidate. Really.

[Tropics_Dude83]

71. Oh and I also just noticed your use of the word "white"

Constantly saying "white people", playing the race card aren't we?

[yardwork]

77. Oh for crying out loud! How old are you? I'm reporting facts.

[MonkeyFunk]

15. I disagree

and I think such predictions are based on a pathological hatred that just presumes the worst about Clinton.

[wndycty]

24. We will see if I'm right. . .no need for me to argue with you. . .

. . .if the anti-Teddy hate rears its ugly head we will know where to look.

[MonkeyFunk]

28. No

what will happen is some obscure blogger or some asshole here will say something bad about Kennedy, and everybody here will trumpet it as coming from a "Clinton surrogate".

THAT'S what will happen.

[yardwork]

62. Well, I guess that would be me! I "got out in front of that!" lol!

[yardwork]

78. When - not if - the anti-Teddy hate rears up we will know its the media.

Are ya'll going to start blaming Hillary Clinton for anti-Teddy hatred? That's akin to blaming Bill Clinton for the assassination of Abe Lincoln.

[yardwork]

61. That, or media lies.

The media is not on our side in this election, and by "our" I mean Democrats.

I'm tired of Democrats doing the corporate-owned Republican Party's work for them.

[Emit]

3. The Clinton camp leaked the Ted Kennedy endorsement? Link? n/t

[City Lights]

4. They did?

Where'd ya hear that? :shrug:

[caligirl]

10. I heard this too, CNN about two minutes ago from a rally in Alabama for Obama the

cnn reporter said the Clintons got a heads up or warning that this was coming out and they wanted to get ahead of it.

[yardwork]

17. Kennedy endorsements will hurt Obama in the south and midwest.

I'm not kidding. This was a big mistake. The Kennedys should have stayed out of this.

[caligirl]

21. It helps him in California and NY I think. What do you think?

[yardwork]

32. Yes, definitely helps in CA and NY but they will vote Democratic anyway in the GE.

I'm thinking ahead to the general election. I don't see a big difference between Hillary and Barack. I just want the Democrat to win in the GE. Kennedy endorsement hurt our party in the south and midwest. You have no idea how much Kennedys are loathed down here. I'm not saying I agree - I'm just reporting.

[caligirl]

51. Probably seen as ultraliberal, my parents are Florida southerners and i know

they hate them too, but they voted Repug so there you go. I would prefer Obama to Clinton in the GE

[Big Blue Marble]

27. Relax the black vote the core of his southern support will stay strong,

while the boost will come in the northeast races. They really like the Kennedys there.

[yardwork]

38. I don't care about the primaries. I care about winning the general election.

Southern states are already going to vote Republican in the GE. In order to win, the Democrats MUST win the midwest. Kennedy endorsements don't help. Please - northern liberals, stay in the north during this campaign!

[Adelante]

64. Well, Clinton was begging for Kennedy's endorsement

It's been reported there were constant phone calls to Kennedy. It really can't be the big bad danger you are claiming. By the way, Kennedy helped Kerry tremendously in Iowa, which is in the Midwest. That was a primary campaign and this is a primary campaign. Calm yourself.

[yardwork]

76. I thought Kerry lost Iowa?

[Adelante]

79. Kerry won the Iowa Caucus nt

[yardwork]

80. I don't give a damn about the caucuses! I want a Democrat in the White House!

A lot of Obama supporters don't get it. This is about the WHITE HOUSE, not fucking caucuses!

[karynnj]

86. He got 38% of the vote - a big win

Edwards - 32%
Dean - 18%
Gephardt less - but I forget the number.

Kerry only lost OK, SC, NC, and VT. All his wins were solid as well with this Iowa one and WI being the closest - though in both he still had 15% + more votes than the next highest.

[Big Blue Marble]

66. There will be many factors at play in the general.

I really do not think a January endorsement by Senator Kennedy will that big on people's minds in Missouri.
especially for the young independents and moderate Republicans that will be voting for Obama in November.

Me thinks your concerns are a little disingenuous.

[caligirl]

82. gov. of Kansas is endorsing Obama early this week post state of the union response.

[madrchsod]

46. the kennedys should have stayed out of this? why?

the midwest?

[yardwork]

54. Yes. The Kennedys are intensely disliked among white people in the midwest and south.

Everytime a Kennedy is mentioned in those parts of the country, white people have a Pavlovian response that involves turning apoplectic. There is no reasoning with them. And, it leads directly to their conditioned response against "northern liberals" which leads directly to them disregarding every bad thing Republicans have done and voting for them again.

Kennedy endorsements are a bad strategy for any Democrat in the midwest and south.

[sendero]

68. Yes..

... and every time HRC is mentioned, you get the same response. So what do you suggest?

[yardwork]

75. Well, there is that problem. Then again, those same white people don't like black people.

It's sad that this country is so filled with racist, sexist, right-wing, homophobic jerks. That's why I usually cry on election nights.

[CreekDog]

84. which is why Hillary's campaign was trying to prevent Teddy from endorsing Obama

because they are really concerned it would hurt Obama, ultimately.

[karynnj]

87. Gee I always thought Indiana was in the midwest

I think you are hanging with the wrong midwesterners - who listen to Rush Limbaugh. Kennedy was a great supporter of Kerry in 2004 and it helped in the primaries - Kennedy was less out in front in the general election.

[thoughtcrime1984]

88. Guess I don't know what the hell you're talking about

I'm a white male in Wisconsin, and have only heard respectful things about JFK and RFK. Ted has had some issues in his past that are made fun of a bit, but he still is respected as a legislator by the few people I know that are into politics.

[City Lights]

23. Thanks for the confirmation, caligirl.

x( As much as it ticks me off, it doesn't surprise me.

[caligirl]

29. They still aren't changing their methods.

[City Lights]

34. Nope. They're "staying the course," just as Sheila Jackson Lee said

they would. Oh well...

[caligirl]

6. What on earth could Bill use to trash Teddy?

[elizm]

12. That's a good one!

:P

[caligirl]

16. Hey, you got it!

:hi:

[Windy]

8. "teddy" will fight back . be careful what you wish for Clinton supporters. nt

[MonkeyFunk]

18. which Clinton supporter has "wished"

for anyone to trash Kennedy?

The Clinton campaign already expressed their great respect for Kennedy.

The OP is a pre-emptive lie.

[aquart]

49. Oh, now you're just being racist.

Surely "lie" is a racist word. Or "pre-emptive." Or "the."

[caligirl]

52. well now your just going to have to push the old alert button.

[cali]

9. that's easy, wndycty

I suspect that Obama wanted to hold off til Wednesday with this endorsement to blunt Hill's win in FL.

[LittleBlue]

13. Clinton is on shaky ground already. I doubt Bill would dare verbally fistfight with Teddy.

Teddy gave them a heads-up ahead of time.

[Big Blue Marble]

20. Clintons are the masters of leaking the bad news first.

And this is very bad news for the Clintons. It will hurt them in the Northeast primariesS.
Senator Kennedy is the senior grayhair of this party.

[Skidmore]

22. Don't know their motivation but yesterday I heard that the Clintons

had been bombarding Kennedy's offices with phone calls soliciting his endorsement. I can't remember which channel I heard this on, but it must have been CNN, MSNBC, or Washington Journal since they are they only stations I listen to besides local.

[TeamJordan23]

25. Yeah, I heard that too. I guess sour grapes they didn't get it. nm

[Kermit77]

36. I think they leaked it to George Stephanopolus

I guess he still has an inside track to the Clinton campaign.

Maybe ABC should boot him like CNN booted Begala and Carville.

[yardwork]

44. If you heard it on TV it must be true. /sarcasm.

Were you alive during the Clinton presidencies? Don't you remember the 24/7 bombardment of hatred toward them from the media? That hasn't changed. The media will say anything to make the Clintons look bad.

Turn off the TV.

[Skidmore]

56. Sheesh, who pissed in your coffee?

Rather an extreme response for a passing comment.

[yardwork]

65. Who pissed in my coffee? The Swift Boat liars and their media campaign.

I've never forgiven the U.S. media for it and I have a strong reaction to "I heard it on TV" now.

[CreekDog]

85. You heard wrong, they already got Kathleen, they don't want Teddy's

silly wabbit.

[saltpoint]

30. Not saying there's no endorsement, but is there a link to this endorsement?

[TeamJordan23]

35. Link:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/ted-kennedy-to.html

[saltpoint]

37. got it. thanks, TJ23.

[caligirl]

39. someone has posted it on the latest page. It was an ABC story in the subject line.

[saltpoint]

47. thanks, caligirl. I'll get up to date one of these days.

[GoldieAZ49]

55. another one from Boston.com

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/ted_kennedy_end.html

WASHINGTON -- Senator Edward M. Kennedy will endorse Barack Obama for president tomorrow, breaking his year-long neutrality to send a powerful signal of where the legendary Massachusetts Democrat sees the party going -- and who he thinks is best to lead it.

Kennedy confidantes told the Globe today that the Bay State's senior senator will appear with Obama and Kennedy's niece, Caroline Kennedy, at a morning rally at American University in Washington tomorrow to announce his support.

That will be a potentially significant boost for Obama as he heads into a series of critical primaries on Super Tuesday, Feb. 5.


***************

do dah, do dah!!!

[caligirl]

58. darn, I'll have to catch it tomorrow night. Would love to see that live.

[Barack_America]

31. I think their motivation is...

That they're pissed as hell and wanted to prevent him from making this announcement on his own terms.

[aquart]

40. But they haven't, have they?

But I'm sure if a Clinton said "Ted Kennedy is an honored American stateman," you would find something mean and horrible in it.

[Skip Intro]

42. hit and run assertions with no link, no elaboration

are far too common these days

[yardwork]

48. Just doing the corporate-owned media's work for them.

[wndycty]

50. You can marginalize my comment all you want. . .

. . .but CNN is reporting the Clinton camp leaked it. You can question me all you want. . .does not change the facts.

[madrchsod]

53. "What do you think their motivation is".

somethings are best left unsaid.

[Seabiscuit]

57. What "endorsement"? I'll believe it when and if it happens.

So far, all we have is another attempt by the MSM to manipulate this election.

[cali]

67. industrial strength denial is not healthy

He's endorsing him tomorrow in DC with Caroline. Obama will be there with them. It has nothing to do with the MSM manipulating anything- unless you actually believe they're manipulating Teddy.

[tishaLA]

69. it may well be that Sen., Kennedy gave a head's up

out of respect and, out of respect, told them they could go public with it if they wanted. I don't really see any malfeasance in this, if true, at all. As much as anything, it's the desire to continue the fist fight between the camps.

[DesEtoiles]

73. Recommended.

[Seabiscuit]

74. The real deciding endorsement in this country would come from Al Gore.

If he suddenly endorsed either Clinton or Obama I might just jump off a bridge.

[Radical Activist]

81. I was thinking about that today too

and wondering if Gore might endorse in a few days before Feb. 5. Now would be the time.

[caligirl]

83. heard a discussion of the pros and cons of a Gore endorsement and the

folks said it wasn't going to help Obama sufficiently. That Gore needs to continue to work both sides on global warming. It would just bring up some stuff from the past that would distract from Obama's campaign. It was MTP this afternoon. I know, Russert. But it was coming from a middle of the road guy reporting on the campaigns. don't have any names. sorry.