so you all fell in line...

[DianeK]

good for you! you all got what you deserve....a big ol' bush lite...fine...expect me to fall in line do ya? not a chance! may as well vote for bush or stay home

[Kahuna]

1. Whatever, Diane.

:eyes:

[Mick Knox]

2. lol

that'll teach us... select a democrat for democratic nominee..

All that voting stuff... its such a waste of time.. we shoulda just crowned dean.

yawn.

[sadiesworld]

3. "may as well vote for Bush"...Go away!!!!!!!

[JohnLocke]

4. Uh...sure.

:eyes:

[berner59]

5. If Bush wins by one vote....

...guess we'll know who to turn to... You've got to be kidding with that "Bush lite" crap...

[DianeK]

12. uhh,,,yeah right..kidding...

look at the voting record and try to understand the doubletalk...excuse me

[smirkymonkey]

21. I think maybe YOU should look at his

voting record over the past 20 years, I think you will find that he is hardly "bush lite".

[lancdem]

Maybe you should look at the voting record

his ENTIRE record.

[Kahuna]

28. Kerry is very very liberal. More liberal than your..

screaming hero, Dean. Look it up. :eyes:

P.S. Now that we do have a nominee, you cannot bash him here on DU.

[Zhade]

60. Uh, the nominee process isn't done yet.

Even if Kerry will be the nominee, as it does seem at this point, the season is not over.

[Kahuna]

Whatever. Whatever gets you through the night, is alright..

it's alright..

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

132. Hmm

Kerry's 97% more liberal than the rest of the Senate.

Someone didn't look up their facts!!! oops!

[Pastiche423]

44. Make that two votes

We have write-ins on our ballots.

[jpgpenn]

6. LOL

THANKS

[Bertha Venation]

7. WTF is this?

Who is "we all?" Into what line did we fall?

I don't get it.

[Padraig18]

If you can't see the difference...

... you are COMPLETELY clueless.

[DianeK]

22. call me clueless...

no difference....vote yes on patriot act..talk publicly against it, vote yes on no child left behind, talk publicly against it, decide not to vote on the medicare vote and explain it away...is anyone paying attention here?

[OhioStateProgressive]

27. the war, don't forget the war(nt)

[lancdem]

29. Um, yeah

He's been in the Senate almost two decades. Talk about cherry-picking.

[tedzbear]

88. Sorry, but it's the last three years that count!

Kerry's recent record shows that he sold his soul to the same masters that Bush answers to: the Fortune 500 (and their dastardly lobbyists). Kerry votes conservative, but campaigns liberal. Sort of like Bush campaigning moderate, but turning out fascist.

Sorry DUs. Our ruling elite have made damn sure that we have only one choice even though we have two candidates. Wake up and smell the coffee.

:kick:

[Bertha Venation]

84. Not to you, sweet pea.

I'm still trying to figure out who this "we" is, how I became a part of it, and what line I fell into.
:wtf: is this bit of bullshit divisiveness? That's what I want to know. I thought we were all liberals, all Democrats, all ABB. :shrug:

[WarNoMore]

56. I tell ya,

I have been terribly torn by the whole Kerry thing. I moved to Mass. right before Kerry came back from Nam. While I have been totally committed to Kuchinich, I have to say that in all my years of voting for Kerry I certainly remember more good about him than bad. I have my issues, (and I am still committed to Kucinich and his ideas), but I still *like* Kerry and the stances he has taken here in Mass.

[OhioStateProgressive]

8. Nader 04, Brown 04

these are now my decisions.

I will go one further, I seriously wish bad on every person who didn't vote for Dennis Kucinich.

I say you all deserve the shit pile you will get...all the lost jobs, all the lost wages...I say you all deserve them.

[Dookus]

17. oh dear

Well, then I pull double-reverse hoodoo and wish harm on people who act to return Bush to office.

So there.

[OhioStateProgressive]

20. ....

Kerry is no different than Bush.

Everyone will get what they have coming to them, kharma is universal.

[Dookus]

24. Kerry is quite different than Bush

your type tried to sell that lie 4 years ago, and sadly, too many people bought it.

Not again.

[OhioStateProgressive]

31. No

And you better get ready for it again.

All you goddamn sheep who voted for who you were told are going to enjoy four more years of Bush.

Was protecting the Oligarchy worth destroying the Democratic Party?

[Dookus]

37. oh... aren't you cute?

with the little sheep talk and the oligarchy.... I just wanna pat you on your little head.

now go away. Your guy lost.

[OhioStateProgressive]

40. the truth remains the same

Despite your pithy reply.

My guy lost, the truth loses many times.

Interlopers rule the Earth.

[Dookus]

48. the truth

remains PEOPLE have selected Kerry, and they're not sheep. He's our best hope to beat Bush.

Why can't you be gracious for ONE fucking night? He won, he won fair, he won big.

There's no need for pissant whingeing and bitching from petulant, childish losers tonight. I'm watching Kerry speak right now - there's a big difference between him and Bush.

[OhioStateProgressive]

52. he won because the majority of Americans are ignorant slobs(nt)

[Dookus]

57. why?

because they didn't agree with you?

Feh.

Perhaps YOU are the ignorant slob.

[OhioStateProgressive]

67. well

no, they are slobs because they believe in electability, they don't believe in intellectualism. The believe the world is a shade of grey because they are to weak to have convictions.

Americans are lazy and deserve what they get.

[WarNoMore]

72. What does slobs have to do

with it?

[OhioStateProgressive]

81. ignorant slobs are sheeple, they vote for who they are told to(nt)

[KC21304]

90. Because they don't have your good manners ?

[HuskerDem]

129. Only those who agree with your every word are worthy

everyone else is a lazy, stupid sheeple slob.

That's the new motto of progressives............ didn't you get the memo?

[KaraokeKarlton]

116. Fair?

That's debatable.

Bush is going to beat Kerry. Remember Bob Dole? Kerry is the Democratic Bob Dole. Better prepare to hunker down for another 4 miserable years of George Bush.

[tedzbear]

94. Hey guys, it doesn't matter anyway...

All those new electronic voting machines will make sure * wins in November. Don't kid yourself.

[lifelong_Dem]

45. Get a clue

LOTS of members of the "oligarchy" backed DEAN. Take a look at the list of endorsements he racked up prior to Iowa.

But of course you won't do this - you don't care about facts, you only care about spouting your hateful rhetoric.

[OhioStateProgressive]

54. i never supported Dean

never never never

He was part of the elite...more evidence of sheephood

[Kahuna]

62. Are you telling us that you're shocked that Dennis didn't win?

I would have thought you would have been prepared for that a looong time ago. :eyes:

[Name removed]

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[smirkymonkey]

117. How many bottles of Absinthe

have you put away in the last 24 hours??

[mac56]

135. "All of you mental weaklings.."

Very nice. Very, very nice.

What a great way to get me to come around to your way of thinking.

Rageful lashing-out is one of the stages of grief, I believe.

[tedzbear]

99. OK. give me the link and I'll look.

Outside of Hollywood, I don't know any oligarchy who backed Dean.

[bhunt70]

83. I think maybe you should go join the new "Elitist Party"

since you obviously can see through all the bullshit better than us lowly sheep here.

[tishaLA]

103. Perfection.

love your post.

[tishaLA]

102. I don't get it

People who love the working class masses and then refer to us as sheep. And then lecture us about the oligarchy.

[HuskerDem]

123. I love it when people who call themselves progressive

call people "sheep", totally oblivious to the irony involved.

Those of us who are not so totally wrapped up in ourselves will do the necessary work to get Bush out of the White House. Nader and the nutcases like him and their followers are of no consequence at all this time. They can all go piss up a rope together.

[lancdem]

19. John Kerry isn't responsible for any of that

What are you talking about?

[OhioStateProgressive]

23. those who voted for him are

a bunch of goddamn sheep who don't do anything until someone tells them to.

So effectively, the 10% of Americans that don't have their heads up their asses is ruled by the 90% who do

[LandOLincoln]

120. Yeah, it's called democracy. Perhaps you've heard of it? n/t

[KC21304]

26. How wonderful ! I'm sure Dennis is very proud of you.

[OhioStateProgressive]

33. I don't give a good goddamn what Dennis thinks

I voted for him and support him because he is correct...not because he is my role model

[bhunt70]

86. yes Dennis isn't your role model...

I don't think of Dennis as a condescending kinda guy.

[Kahuna]

34. zzzzzzzzzzzz

:cry:

[OhioStateProgressive]

hehehe

I see the sheep get mad when questioned

[Kahuna]

59. Mad? Get real.

:eyes:

[Bake]

91. NOBODY told me who to vote for, asshole!

Let's see, you knew this was coming ... you knew you would be expressing your "disdain" for the rest of us. Hmmmm, I'd think with all that time you had, you could've come up with something waaaaaaaay better than your "sheep" whine.

Glad you're so superior to us.

You're no Democrat. Why don't you get out?

Bake

[Bake]

85. My God, how OLD are you, anyway???

Grow the hell up! You seriously wish bad on anybody who didn't vote Kucinich??? Talk about a candidate who was NEVER EVEN IN IT! And you're wishing SERIOUS BAD on all the rest of us??

This is the Democratic Underground, people. We're supposed to believe in DEMOCRACY. Obviously you don't.

The grapes are seriously sour in here tonight.

Bake

[OhioStateProgressive]

127. I'm sorry you don't want a better Country(nt)

[name not needed]

9. Better off with Bush lite than with the real thing

[Lizz612]

38. Thank you

I think that needed to be said, "But he's just Bush-lite" isn't much of an argument for me and that is exactly why.

[Dookus]

10. LOL

Give it up.

Your guy lost. He spent $45 million to win Vermont. We can't afford to elect him President.

We elected the best choice. Get behind him or get out of the way, but just quit bitching.

[lancdem]

11. Have you looked at Kerry's voting record?

He has a higher liberal rating than Ted Kennedy. BTW, we did get exactly what we deserve: a progressive Dem with a good chance to beat Dubya.

[AntiCoup2K4]

73. Have you looked at his voting record since 12/12/2000?

What he did before then doesn't matter. He should have had some balls and stood up to that unelected fucking piece of shit in the White House. Instead, he voted FOR the Bush agenda again and again.

Tied to PNAC. Funded by FAUX. Congratulated by Junior.

Yeah, this guy's the second coming of Christ :puke:

[tedzbear]

104. Right on AntiCoup!

Actions speak louder than words. Kerry chose to stampede with * like all the rest of the lemmings.

[mlawson]

13. I will certainly vote for Kerry,

but I am anything but optimistic. He isn't the one to beat bush. The polls now mean nothing.

[WilliamPitt]

14. Sour grapes, bitter whines, and a giggle from me

Bye.

[ChiefHappyButt]

15. Sadness, anger, depression and disappointment

should not deter any of us from our goal. This is the process - as screwed up as it may be - and it is - but that's what we've got.

If Kerry is the man to beat Bush, then here we go. I'll support him. All the way.

I would bet he has some choice words in the upcoming debates. He can win this thing!

[Langis]

16. Notice the website you are on?

It's democraticunderground.com not Deanunderground.com.

[DianeK]

36. well, let me clue you in...

democrats are just as clueless as republicans..and i am an independent with a very small (d)...this kerry guy will sink us as surely as bush as done....so happy for all of you...again the usa loses

[sistersofmercy]

126. Well, by all means, vote your conscience n/t

[Mick Knox]

18. Call a WAAAAAAAAAAMBBBUUUULAANNCE quick! 911 even

[wyldwolf]

25. don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[lurk_no_more]

30. Damn!

I knew it was all about you and your opinion all the time!



And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[librechik]

32. ABB is bottom line here

perhaps you are in the wrong forum, Diane

Here ya go:
http://www.georgewbush.com/
:puke:

party politics is all about falling in line--at the polls. If the Dems don't get together at THAT point, then why bother.

[DianeK]

39. don't agree honey...

abb is not good enough

[Kahuna]

47. No bashing the nominee. See DU rules. In case you haven't

heard, Kerry is officially the nominee. That's how elections work.

[DianeK]

63. i am a contributing member...

revoke it baby

[Kahuna]

75. I'm not admin. But those are the rules. I'm just helping

you out. :shrug:

[Vas Liz]

137. Don't bother helping her out

with all respect to you, it is not your job to make the kind of call you did. Until the primary forum is closed the forum exists to be used to speak about the primary. Still some states must vote. I am sure you would like to just move on though.

I am not yet sure how many dels Kerry has today. He may not have the required amount to be given the nomination by default. Thus, he still may NOT be the nominee. (sorry to disappoint you) There is no reason to silence those people still fighting, even if you want them to surrender to your candidate.

[AntiCoup2K4]

77. official?? What fucking planet are you on?

The convention is in July. The primaries are not finished. There is no nominee. Granted, Judas the betrayer will likely end up with it, but until that final ballot in Boston, he ain't no fucking nominee.

[Kahuna]

97. Oh. That's right. Dennis and Sharpton haven't dropped out yet.

cue: Twilight Zone music. :crazy:

[tedzbear]

115. Baloney!

We need to hash this out because I don't know what I'll do until I step into my non-electronic voting booth in November. Debate is necessary in a democracy or are you such a good "democrat" that you forgot that???

The guy is right. People like you are acting exactly like the SHEEP IN "ANIMAL FARM."

Come on. let's argue. Show me your links and I'll read them. But you gotta read mine too.

Here's one now:

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0302-03.htm

:kick:

[Mick Knox]

35. Lesseee .. Bush Lite... Mass Lib.. ok wtf is it already?

:wtf: :shrug:

[lifelong_Dem]

69. Rove says it's both

And sadly, plenty of people on both the left and right will believe him.

Out of the left side of his mouth, Rove tells progressives: Kerry's not one of you. He's sold you out. He doesn't support your agenda.

Out of the right side of his mouth, Rove points to all the progressive votes Kerry's made in Congress. Votes that the lefty-left ignores because 1) They agree with them and they're not that interesting; 2) They take them for granted; 3) They're distracted by whatever wedge issue Rove has cooked up recently. Republicans, however, pay attention and they see the Massachusetts liberal.

Rove is playing both sides against the middle - and by reading a lot of the rhetoric here, he's having a considerable amount of success.

[tedzbear]

125. Fuck Rove.

I vote for the man who is the best fit for my political agenda. I am not one of the "sound bite" voters whom Rove manipulates. Thanks to sites like DU, I am pretty well informed about what the candidates say and what they have actually done.

Today I voted for Kucinich. In November I'll vote for Kerry unless a Green Party or Socialist has a platform that is more appropriate to my politics. I am a swing democrat, baby.

We rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you don't like it maybe you better tell Kerry to swing more to the left before Nov. rolls around.


:kick:

[demnan]

41. Although I would have rather had Dean

Kerry is ok by me. ABB.

Congratulations Kerry supporters, your guy won. Now on to November.

[POed_Ex_Repub]

74. Ditto n/t

[alcuno]

42. Dean supporter falling in line here.

Can't wait to cast my vote for John Kerry.

[Blue-Jay]

Stay home, then!

Sorry it wasn't "your guy" (he was "my guy" too until he quit, FWIW). You don't like Kerry? FINE! Sit on your ass and let Bushco continue raping the world. The time for sour grapes has ended. Let it go. Our mission is clear and you should be a part of it.

Or just sit on your ass.

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[AntiCoup2K4]

93. "I don't think stupid people SHOULD be allowed to vote"

After this primary, I have to agree with you. The stupid people out there who bought into the DLC/media "electability" LIE have fucked this country for another 4 years.

God help us all :puke:

[Dookus]

96. then bye bye

The pity party's in another room.

Tonight we're celebrating for the REAL party - the DEMOCRATIC party!

Don't be a party-pooper!

:toast:

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[Kahuna]

87. Baaaaaaa

:nopity:

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[Adelante]

46. Enough already

Let's get past all this bullshit. :thumbsdown:

There's important work to be done. So vote for Bush, stay home, whatever. That follows. :freak:

[oasis]

49. Save your energy for the next half-baked messiah who comes down the pike.

[Renew Deal]

50. If you think Kerry is "Bush Lite" you need to learn more about him.

It's funny how kerry gets attacked from both sides.

[LandOLincoln]

130. Oh heck, Bleachers7, us Clarkies are used to it. I'm thinking the same

thing about JK that I think about Wes Clark--anyone who can piss off the far right- AND far left-wingnuts is definitely my sort.

Just take it as a compliment to your guy...excuse me, our guy.

[Maddy McCall]

53. You poor thing :-(

It really must hurt to see so many Democrats unite behind a candidate who will be the nominee and who will beat bush. I am so sorry that you have to deal with the pain of this reality. :cry:

[w4rma]

55. I am in full disagreement. (n/t)

[Toby109]

58. I spent a lot of time

researching and giving serious thought to how I wanted to cast my precious vote and I resent being told that I'm just an idiot. Even on an anonymous political board. So bugger off!

[WarNoMore]

80. Amen n/t

[tedzbear]

138. Where did she call you an "idiot?"

She has a right to her opinion that Kerry is a Bush Lite and that if you vote for him you'll get what you deserve.

That's not calling you an idiot or are you paranoid???

Geez.

:kick:



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[JasonBerry]

61. BUSH-LITE?????????????????

The most liberal United States Senator according to National Journal is a Bush-Lite?? No way!! This movement will move forward, with or without you, I hope you will see the futility of needing idealogical purity to support the one person who can now defeat George Bush. I hope you become a part of the great Kerry campaign of 2004. One day - you will be proud.

[Nicholas_J]

71. Also

The most Democratic candidate accorgin to the A.D.A. which is the premier organization that keeps track of the voting record of elected officials.

[tedzbear]

136. Most liberal?

Not in the last three years, baby.

[John_H]

65. Yeaaaaaghhrhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kahuna]

76. NO! YOU DIDN'T!

:evilgrin:

[curse10]

66. LMAO

cute. :eyes:

[tedzbear]

68. You are absolutely right, Diane.

I feel the same way, except in the matter of foreign policy Kerry appears to be the same as Bush. They are just two sides to the same coin. I voted for Kucinich in the Calif. primary although I think Sharpton is a fine man too.

This article shows that as far as Iraq's concerned, Kerry and Bush are two peas in a pod:

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0302-03.htm

:kick:

[DianeK]

78. thankyou ted...

i will vote for sharpton before i ever cast a vote for kerry

[JHBowden]

79. Kerry is far more liberal than Dr. Dean.

I don't understand your complaint. Kerry danced on the war issue, so you're going to stick with Bush-Halliburton? Good grief!

[Kahuna]

92. But but.. Dean said he is bush-lite. So it must be so.

:crazy:

[AntiCoup2K4]

98. FAUX funded PNAC backed warmongering shitheads

are not liberals.

[JHBowden]

109. We are friends on the same side.

Howard Dean is more hawkish than Senator Kerry. Kerry has a long record of voting against pork in the bloated pentagon budget, including cancellation of the trident submarine, the B-2 bomber, star wars, and other items. He also busted Reagan on selling weapons to terrorists and voted against Gulf War 1.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

82. That is the most insulting dismissive sour grapes post

Some of us have believed in and supported John Kerry for years. I understand it wasn't your choice, but to presume that everybody who believes in this man is some sort of DITTO MONKEY is absolute sour grapes and worse, it is dismissive.

In closing, while I sympathize that your chosen candidate didn't do better...you have a lot of fucking gall.


My choice was NO LESS INFORMED and passionate than yours. If you think voting for George Bush is the same as voting for a senator with one of the most liberal records and one of the best environmental records in the senate after 3 and 1/2 years of scorched earth policy, then YOUR vote is NO MORE INFORMED than those you accuse.

Snippy, snide ugly and smacking of condescension.

[JasonBerry]

95. You said it well -- n/t

[SW FL Dem]

133. Great post Nothingshocks n/t

I've been involved in politics for almost 30 years. I read and listen. I resent being judged uninformed just because I don't agree with the poster.

[Kahuna]

89. Forgive us Democrats for backing the Democratic nominee.

what are we thinking?!?! :wtf:

[DianeK]

114. fine...

sheeple, all of you..i am not...screw this shit..i will write in whatever..whether we have kerry or bush makes no difference to me..or to you apparently...i am NOT a democrat..i am independent..it is not about party to me..it is about common sense..you guys are just as nuts politically as the republicans

[Kahuna]

121. My guess. You were never a Democrat. Voted for Nader..

last time, didn't you?

[DianeK]

128. actually..

i voted for gore last time

[_Jumper_]

101. How dare you!

How dare you question the orders that Iowa and NH gave to the masses! :mad:

[PROGRESSIVE1]

105. LOL! Kerry is anything but "Bush-Lite". He's the REAL DEAL....

....and he's going to kick Bushista's hiney in November!

:kick:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

106. This thread really sums up what Dean inspired...crybabies

[curse10]

110. ouch...

that even hurt me! LoL

[jonnyblitz]

111. gasp

:wow: hey, not all of us! :hi:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

113. Sorry..and that much is true not all...just the ones repeatedly posting

[Catherine Vincent]

112. Yeah. But not all of the Dean supporters are crybabies....

only the whiney bitchy ones.:-)

[oasis]

118. They cry 'cause our guy doesn't offer pie in the sky.

[Catherine Vincent]

107. I'll be glad when the nominee is chosen, then DU can rid

the boards of anti-democratic whiners. I think this poster is a glutton for insults. Probably will enjoy all of the deleted posts.

[HuskerDem]

108. Don't let the door hit you love......................

And since you brought it up, let me take this opportunity to tell all of those others who insist on sulking, pouting and in other ways displaying "take my ball and go home" behaviour............

If all you are willing to do is cry and whine cauz you didn't get your way............. GET THE FUCK OUT ALREADY THEN.

Most of us realize the Democratic party needs work OK? Dean was absolutely right when he said meaningful change takes work and time. WORK AND TIME. Not cutting, running, pouting, sulking and whining. If you are not willing to stay for the hard stuff and put in the actual work, then I don't have time for your self-pity party.

The grownups have work to do.

[tedoll78]

119. Good for you.

You should think about changing your name to "Lady MacBeth" or something. You and a few others will be washing your hands a lot in 2005 should the chimp win..

Other than that, a question: do you support any of the Democrats running in this primary season? If so, do you trust that person? And if you do trust that person, why do you selectively ignore their urging of you to vote for the nominee? While I don't know specifically about you, I've seen a ton of cognitive dissonance among the "I'm-taking-my-ball-home" crowd.

[SW FL Dem]

122. Excuse me. I haven't voted yet.

But I know the importance of my vote. Neither of my favs are still in. Yes I am disappointed, but I am realistic enough to know that even what you call Bush lite is better than Bush. I am ABB all the way. Even though I would love to stay home or vote for Wes Clark next week, I know it is important for the country that I drag my butt to the polls and place my unverified electronic vote for the eventual Democratic nominee.

[fameless]

124. Abortion Rights? Supreme Court? Faith-Based Charities?

Come on now, I am only 20 and I know better than you. If you feel that Kerry will be as bad as Bush, we don't need your vote. Leave the mindless babble to the Republicans.

[RKO]

131. Let the whining begin...

[InhaleToTheChief]

134. So, you would prefer Bush full?

While Kerry's recent voting record leaves a lot to be desired, he has a long history of serving his country at a level that neither you nor I, Diane, will probably ever achieve. He deserves your respect. At the very least, he does not deserve to be compared to Bush in any way.

I respect Howard Dean and may have voted for him if he were still in today, but he was not a particularly liberal candidate. Look at his platform. Dean is a centrist.

It's this kind of holier-than-thou crap that ruins us. Drop the idealism. Howard wasn't perfect. None of them is perfect. Would you actually prefer Bush?

Cite more evidence of your contempt for Kerry or end this pointless divisiveness. It doesn't serve any good for you to rehash the recent past that we have all rehashed a thousand times. Look at Kerry's complete record, and prove you have an attention span beyond this week's news crawl.

[WarNoMore]

139. I really have the

feeling that Kerry will be more than many expect--he will rise to the occasion.

[ALago1]

140. Worst. Post. Ever.

No, seriously...

[Moderator]

141. I'm going to lock this now...

Please do not post inflammatory messages on DU.

thanks,

DU Moderator