0 does not want Florida delegates seated

[kelligesq]

will not join HRC in asking that Florida delegates be seated as well as Michigan.

Just said so on ABC This Week with George stephanopolousssss

As a Floridian , I want to say Thanks 0 for caring that everyone's vote be counted. :sarcasm:

[Horse with no Name]

1. They broke the rules

At the end of the day, do we REALLY want to be just like the lying, cheating, stealing, win-at-all-cost republicans?

[Tellurian]

12. Fl voters should be disenfranchised again because they wanted an earlier primary?

yeah, that makes sense.

[Occam Bandage]

16. They were told that breaking party rules would mean they would lose their delegates.

They played hardball.

[rodeodance]

51. Draconian rules that hurt the people. Sen. Clinton is asking them to reconsider. and Obama

should do also.

[Hugabear]

53. Once again - why did Hillary wait until NOW to ask this?

Doesn't really give much time for anyone to do any campaigning before Tuesday, does it?

Please, this isn't because Hillary is so damned concerned about Florida. If that were the case, she would have said something when the DNC announced its decision months ago.

[rodeodance]

55. I already gave my response on that one.

[Hugabear]

65. You sure as hell did

Basically you also don't give a shit about Florida actually getting to make an informed decision. You don't mind the fact that none of the candidates did any real campaigning in Florida because of the DNC decision. You don't care that voters in Florida didn't really get to know Obama or Edwards very much.

You're perfectly happy with Hillary relying on her name recognition to win Florida, and then righteously proclaiming that their votes should count. You're perfectly content with this blatant vote-grab. After all, according to your post below, she "out-woman-uvered" Obama, taking advantage of the fact that he wouldn't be campaigning in Florida.

[rodeodance]

82. Obama has his national ads running. Enough said.

[Maribelle]

96. It's merely an Obama myth that the votes would count should the Florida delegates be seated.

Just like its an Obama myth that he was required to buy ads via a "national" plan, causing his national ads to broadcast deep into florida

Just like its an Obama myth that his people are not all over florida at major intersections waving Obama Campaign cards

[guruoo]

121. Is this a "Vote grab" or merely inept campaign strategy on Obama's part?

IMHO, Obama's campaign has been caught snoozing.

[guruoo]

116. With Hillary, if you snooze you lose.

Can we assume that your candidate has been caught napping on this?

[Yupster]

124. Weeks ago I said that Hillary was fine even if she lost N Hampshire

because she'd win Michigan and all I got were "LOL's" since Michigan's votes won't count.

I said I believed Hillary would call for them to be seated before the convention and she'd get her way so as to not offend a large critical state. I got more "LOL's".

This situation actually calls out for a compromise where the delegates are seated but the votes either won't count or will be sent uncommitted or something.

It was stupid of the DNC to punish an important state and it is tacky for Hillary to call for them to be counted when she was the only one who ran I sure could see Hillary's challenge coming a mile away though.

[guruoo]

126. At least you saw it coming.

Makes one wonder what the Obama camp was thinking.

Sorry, but from what I've gleaned from Madfloridian's blog, I'd have to fault
the FL Dems that regniged on the original agreement with national.
They fully knew what would happen going into this.

[Occam Bandage]

76. And rules which the party agreed to previously, with punishments they agreed to accept.

[Tellurian]

144. So an entire state of voters should be punished because of their elected officials?

[QC]

22. The rules that say rural lily-white microstatelets choose the president? n/t

[southern_dem]

70. SC

is lily white?

[neutron]

101. Obama wants to piss off FLA for our national election?

This guy is clueless.
HRC is our Sharpest, Strongest Candidate.

Sorry Teddy is threatened by women who are
further along than he is.

[jonnywishbone97]

135. SC is nothing

The real deal comes Feb 5 and California is HRC country.

[PassingFair]

138. I thought it was Schwartzenegger country! n/t

[QC]

136. Iowa and New Hampshire. n/t

[PassingFair]

137. Thank you, and don't forget that two states will ROTATE.

But that wasn't good enough for Michigan and Florida.

They were going to go first and that was that.

Florida didn't CARE if their delegates were seated or not.

They screwed the voters of their OWN STATES.

IN COLLUSION with the GOP in BOTH CASES.

Now they are WHINING because the delegates might not get seated.



Personally, I've believed that they'll get seated
all along.

Now that Hillary is DEMANDING that they be seated though....

well she REALLY looks bad!

[jonnywishbone97]

134. inhabited by a bunch of hillbilly corn farmers

[7 of 11]

2. Move your primary up and stop breaking party rules.

N/t

[Tellurian]

13. But it's ok for Obama to break the rules and advertise in FL..

[Joe the Revelator]

17. Way to spin Tellurian!

But i'd expect nothing else from you.

[L0oniX]

24. That's why I have him on ignore

[rodeodance]

43. "Igore" is for people who are afraid to discuss the issues.

[L0oniX]

61. Igore was the hunch back who helped the Frankstein monster.

Of course you shouldn't be afraid of him.

[rodeodance]

93. my boo-boo. good catch. (too late to edit my spelling)

[KittyWampus]

20. And Hillary is campaigning at fund raisers. And you've been told those were national ads

multiple times.

Which Hillary and Edwards could have also done.

[Tellurian]

32. As you've been told, nationally, the station could have blocked FLA

they didn't!

[UALRBSofL]

94. National Ads That can Block Any State

Rule breaking is rule breaking. CNN can block any state but Barack chose not to do that. Call it what you want but in my opinion it's not right.

[mckeown1128]

56. You knock him for running national ads but he obviously doesn't

want any delegates from FL. You can't on one hand knock Obama for FL advertising(as though he wants the fl vote to matter) and then knock him on saying that he doesn't want the FL vote to matter. Which is it?

[Maribelle]

98. Seating Florida delegates would not make the Florida vote count.

I would like to suggest that Obama supporters find out about this issue before they cause even more division with my Floridians. Otherwise one could assume you are just lying on purpose.

[Joe the Revelator]

3. Be pissed off at your State Democratic Committee

They chose not to play by the rules, and the national party has punished them. Remember. Hillary was the one that said "Florida doesn't count" a few short months ago when she thought this was going to be a walk in her favor.

[THUNDER HANDS]

4. where would that leave Michigan?

do we suddenly have a do-over with Michigan, or only count the state of Florida because Hillary asked?

[matcom]

5. your local party is at fault not "O"

:eyes:

[Hugabear]

6. Please tell me, why did HRC wait so long to ask that Florida delegates be seated?

Why wait until DAYS BEFORE THE PRIMARY, when nobody has been campaigning in Florida? If Hillary was so goddamned concerned about having a "fair" vote in Florida, why not demand that Florida and Michigan be counted from the very beginning, when the decision was made to strip the two states of their votes?

Gee, nothing like taking advantage of the fact that no candidates were allowed to campaign in Florida, and then trying to make a "vote grab".

[Horse with no Name]

21. She did the same in Michigan. n/t

[rodeodance]

47. WHY did Obama wait several days before he said Clinton's comments were NOT racial?

instead he let the stew get toxic.

(regarding mlk and clinton). why? why?

its politics, simple as that. in both cases

[Hugabear]

50. Apples and oranges

And no, this isn't just simply "politics". This is about taking advantage of the fact that none of the candidates have been actively campaigning in Florida, and then waiting until just days before the primary to demand that Florida's votes count. Hillary knows damned well that she has a huge advantage in Florida, with just her name recognition alone. People in Florida haven't had a chance to get to see Obama and Edwards up close.

This is the issue at hand - nice attempt to bring in some totally unrelated topic, but it's not going to work. Address the issue at hand, please.

[rodeodance]

52. Yes, indeed, as Obama's was more serious.

[UALRBSofL]

97. Obama Runs Ads In Florida

No other candidate has run ads at all. Sorry you missed seeing them on CNN.

[RoadRage]

57. Why is it Obama's job to defend his political foe's words?? NT

[rodeodance]

84. He calls himself a leader, then he should act like one. He 'acted' days late.

[Occam Bandage]

7. So tell your state party to stop violating the rules.

[mtnsnake]

8. Self delete. Saw the answer from the next poster.

[mtnsnake]

40. self delete.

Saw the answer from the next poster.

[thesubstanceofdreams]

9. Stop blaming Obama

It was the DNC decision not to seat Florida's delegates. In turn, this was in response to the Florida Dem Party not respecting the rules set by the DNC.

Whether fair or not, it doesn't make any sense at all to change the rules in the middle of the race when the wind blows in your direction, as Hillary is attempting.

Between respecting the rules and bending them for electoral gain, I know what I prefer.
And it is not Obama's fault that Florida's Dem voters are disenfranchised. Not by a long mile.

[MH1]

35. Good post, you got it exactly.

[Kittycat]

10. Blame your party.

HRC wouldn't give a second thought to FL, unless she felt she needed it. Look at what she did in SC.

[graywarrior]

11. So is it worth voting in the primaries in FL or not?

[nashville_brook]

120. if it's come to asking that question, then it really doesn't matter -- there's no democratic process

[PassingFair]

139. Its always worth it, Gray.

Even if its just to make a statement.

Unless you're at death's door or something....

My polling place is 2 blocks away, and our
"useless" primary in Michigan keyed the Clinton
camp into the fact that 73% of African Americans
were NOT voting for her.

Despite THAT info, someone advising her decided it would be a
good idea play up the race issue in South Carolina.

:crazy:

Voting is ALWAYS a good idea.

[jonnywishbone97]

14. without Florida the democrats are going to lose in November

We either get our way and be seated or John McCain becomes the next President.

[Snotcicles]

42. Why is that? nt

[fishwax]

74. I doubt that n/t

[KittyWampus]

15. Since the candidates haven't campaigned there, Hillary benefits from name recognition

and she is going to fund raisers there.

Making an exception for your state is support of chaos.

Sorry.

[jonnywishbone97]

23. watch it happen.

We will be seated and the DNC cant do anything about it. Without Florida the Dems are losers again and they wont risk that.

[KittyWampus]

25. If they're seated AFTER the nominee is chosen, then it might happen.

[Hugabear]

26. The DNC can do plenty about it

They can refuse to allow the Michigan and Florida delegates be seated, and their votes won't count.

I'm convinced that even if this continues, that we can still carry Florida in November.

[MaineDem]

29. It's up to the convention now, I think

The DNC has ruled. There will be a Credentials challenge and the seated delegates in total will vote on allowing any delegation from MI and FL.

[KittyWampus]

33. Do I understand properly? The already seated delegates will vote on allowing MI & FL?

Is it possible for that vote to come AFTER the nominee is chosen and the opponents conceeded?

[MaineDem]

77. It will happen at the beginning of the convention

I imagine there'll be tons of discussion between now and then. There may even be a decision by the Rules and Bylaws Committee. But any credentials challenge is decided by the convention delegates.

[AZ Criminal JD]

78. No the Credentials Committee will meet before the convention

and rule on any challenges. That can be appealed to the convention itself. But this all takes place before the nominee is chosen.

[NoPasaran]

83. In past conventions disputes over delegations have been decided earlier

Disputes over delegations are first supposed to be decided by the Credentials Committee, which presents its report to the convention as a whole. Any appeal beyond that goes to the convention floor and is settled by the votes of the already-credentialed delegations. You can expect this to happen on the first day of the convention, since the seating of delegates needs to be settled before the convention begins the rest of its work.

[jonnywishbone97]

37. you wish you could carry Florida.

we didnt carry it in 2004 and it was stolen in 2000. At least the repukes didnt ban Florida from their convention which was a hell of a lot smarter than what the morons at the DNC decided. Either they get seated or we lose Florida AGAIN and that will be the election

[rodeodance]

85. Obama benefits from his running the cable ads

[nancyharris]

18. The idea that the Florida primary

should count toward seated delegates, but that all of the candidates should be prohibited from campaigning there is the most anti-democratic proposal I have ever heard.

[ursi]

19. If Florida cheated against rules then they shouldn't be ...Hillary is desperate

to get her and Bill back in the White House and their hands on power.

[rodeodance]

39. The 'desperate card" is real BORING. Is that all you got?

[Joe the Revelator]

44. Remember Hillary said that "Florida doesn't count" just a few short months ago

Before she got desperate.

[rodeodance]

48. LINKY?

[Joe the Revelator]

54. I don't respond to threads subjected in baby talk

Sorry, grow up a bit, and maybe we can talk.

[rodeodance]

60. So, you have no proof. Figures

[ButterflyBlood]

DNC did the right thing

Let Florida get away with that and the first primaries for 2012 would be held in mid-2011.

[kelligesq]

27. so 0 supporters agree- in this "democracy" not everyone's vote should be counted.

women fought for the vote, blacks fought for the vote

and the black candidate's supporters want to deny the vote to 2 states instead of

standing up for the disenfranchised voters.

There's something wrong with this picture.

[Hugabear]

30. What is wrong with playing by the fucking rules?

And you still haven't addressed why Hillary has waited until now to demand that FL and Michigan votes be counted. Why didn't she make her case from the very beginning? Why not try to get the decision reversed, and allow time for candidates to do some real campaigning in Florida?

It's not because that Hillary assumes she's going to win Florida, and is making a "vote grab", is it?

[Joe the Revelator]

58. Its not very "democratic" to count votes when only one person is on the ballot

or when no campaigning has been allowed.

[jonnywishbone97]

90. Obama and Edwards

and ALL THE REST of the candidates are on my FLORIDA ballot. but none of them will win except Hilary

[ISUGRADIA]

28. I'm glad Hillary has been pushing for this since the beginning

oh, wait, it was just this weekend. Anything to win a fucking vote, no principles at all.

[rodeodance]

49. A little green? She out-woman-uvered Obama on this one. Good move on her part.

[ISUGRADIA]

73. No, just see through a political stunt

Clinton cannot be trusted, will say one thing to one set of voters (IA and NH) and then turn around and say the opposite to another group (MI and FL). Anything to become president. At lease she cannot execute a retarded man like her husband did when he was running.

[rodeodance]

89. and Obama will do anything to win.

edit for spelling

[RL3AO]

31. Rules are there for a reason.

If they didn't have them, everyone would have primaries the week after midterms.

[Evergreen Emerald]

34. Edwards said that he does not want the voters disenfranchised.

Obama does not want them, because he is losing in Florida. Duh.

[rodeodance]

36. HO HO, so OBAMA is into disenfranchising voters via the delegates. He stepped

into some deep poo now!

[jonnywishbone97]

38. if Obama carries this position that Florida not get seated

Ill vote for a republican for the first time EVER. There are alot of Floridians who feel the same way.

[rodeodance]

46. I think so also.

[Tom Rinaldo]

59. Does anyone seriously think that Florida isn't a critical swing State

or that barring the door at the Democratic Convention and sending home all of the Florida delegates who will travel to that Convention this summer won't make a lot of very important Democratic activists bitter and less likely to work their ass off for our nominee, at least for a few crucial weeks?

The effective way to punish Florida for breaking the rules without shooting the Democratic nominee for President in the foot was the "No Campaign Pledge" that Democratic candidates signed with the 4 Early State Chairs regarding their activities with Florida. Hillary has fully honored that pledge, no ifs, ands, or buts; unlike Obama.

[last_texas_dem]

133. I don't understand this logic

My state's Democratic primary is traditionally too late to matter in terms of picking the nominee. Should I threaten to vote Republican because of this? If FL's delegates don't end up counting they will simply make the same difference in terms of the final outcome as the delegates of all of the states voting too late for their votes to matter towards picking the final nominee. And even threatening to vote for one of those Repug jerkoffs is just lame.

[rodeodance]

41. Obama will do anything to win.

[stillcool]

72. Wow...Obama made the

Florida State Democratic Party break the rules?

[rodeodance]

86. See how silly tht comment is?-- Obama folks toss it out as their response so so so

often. Thought I would give it try.

[stillcool]

92. I don't understand...

What does "Obama" have to do with the Florida Democratic Party breaking the rules? What response are you looking for. What's the goal?

[pdxmom]

45. Edwards said last night on CNN that he wasn't getting into that discussion

either. That those decisions were up to someone else. So essentially, he is taking the same position as Obama.

[Bad Thoughts]

62. Then work for a later primary that fits the Party's Parameters eom.

[Medusa]

63. So it's fine if the Clintons cheat huh?

Let's review the facts. The other candidates did not campaign in those two states. Hillary won simply because she got voters to turn out, knowing full well that they intended to try and get these states reseated and she could suddenly be the recipient of their delegate votes. Now that's cheating, plain, pure, and simple. No, those two states should never have had their votes taken away to begin with but dammit, you don't petition to get them back once you've won them. I bet if she had lost them she'd be singing a different tune.

[rodeodance]

103. Sen. Clinton asked for the rules to be reconsidered. NO cheating as you state.

[LittleBlue]

64. You can't break the rules, and then switch back before the nomination.

Everyone who was told by the DNC to stop competing would be totally shafted.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

66. Good for Obama

If he and Edwards didn't have a chance to campaign in Florida and Michigan then it's totally unfair to them if Hillary demands those delegates to be seated. it is totally undemocratic of Hillary to do that... she knows that the presidency is slipping from her grasp and... yes... she is getting desperate. It is blatantly obvious and not good for Hillary.

[madfloridian]

67. Even the state chairwoman said today that the DNC did what they had to do

....the rules committee did what it had to do to keep other states from leapfrogging and disrupting the process.

She knows it was a necessary decision.

Good for Obama. Glad we voted for him.

[guruoo]

125. I agree with your analysis, but then again I can't fault Hillary

for going after the votes.

BTW: Kudos to you for your effort in getting the truth out there reg. this issue.

:hi:

[stillcool]

68. Nice.

Why should anyone choose to abide by the rules? Especially Florida. The state reps run all over the little people. And the little people praise more rule-breakers. Got to love it.

[ihelpu2see]

69. did you stand up against the Fl. primary being moved.... Rules are Rules nt

[rodeodance]

88. Rules can be changed, esp. if people are hurt/disenfranchised by them.

[Hugabear]

108. The rules are there for a reason

If the DNC allowed Florida and Michigan to keep their delegates, then that could have set off a domino effect as other states moved their primaries up even earlier. They made a decision, they warned these two states not to move their primaries up. This system has been in place for quite some time, and Michigan and Florida wanted to rock the boat and steal the spotlight for themselves.

You don't change the rules on such short notice. You especially don't do it AFTER the fact, such as with Michigan! How in the hell can it be fair when all other major candidates took their name off the Michigan ballot?

[MaineDem]

112. Forty eight states and the territories are all abiding by the Rules

It isn't fair to them to not penalize the offending states.

My choice would have been to disallow those two states' super delegates and not penalize the average person who wants to run for National Delegate but nobody asked me my opinion.

[nashville_brook]

123. it's really sad that so-called DU'ers have so little regard for the "democratic process"

with the gerry-rigging of the Florida and Michigan primaries, the whole process is thrown into question -- and DU just doesn't "get" it. not one single rank-and-file voter had a say in the date-moving, and at the end of the day, it's not Florida voters or Michigan voters who lose. it's everyone b/c the whole process has been compromised.

[knitter4democracy]

129. Thank you. The rank-and-file told the party higherups in MI not to.

We were obviously ignored, and then we got punished for it. Yeah, that's fair. :eyes:

[GalleryGod]

71. Take your argument up with the State Democratic Party of Florida.

Chairman Howard Dean warned them; they blew him off..a classic throwdown between "child & parent".

You've made your choice of candidate abundantly clear, on prior occasions, Counselor.

Thus... your plaintive cry for represenation rings hollow.



Will you also attempt to somehow diminish with outrage Senator Kennedy's endorsement of Obama,when it arrives within the next 8 days?

I say you will. But...that's IMHO.

[IsItJustMe]

75. I feel your pain, but you are barking up the wrong tree.

[Hugabear]

79. Obama is standing by the DNC's decision

It was the DNC that decided that Florida votes would not count. This happened months ago. It's not like the DNC has been deciding whether or not to punish Florida, and Obama suggested withholding their votes. He's standing by the DNC's decision. As such, he has not done any active campaigning in Florida.

Is that too difficult to understand?

[bluedog]

80. obama memo........their primary votes will be worthless

Obama stirs fight with Florida memo
The Clinton campaign criticizes her rival's insistence that the state's votes won't count.
By ADAM C. SMITH, Times Political Editor
Published January 16, 2008





Barack Obama doesn't care what Florida Democrats say on Jan. 29.

In a memo released Tuesday, he reiterated his long-standing view that their primary votes will be worthless. And he vaguely charged that Hillary Rodham Clinton may violate her pledge not to campaign in Florida by holding events here later this month.

"We signed a pledge not to campaign in Florida before Feb. 5, and we're not going to campaign in Florida," Clinton spokesman Mo Elleithee said. "But it is disappointing that the Obama campaign continues to tell people that their voices don't count, that they continue to disenfranchise people. Hillary Clinton wants to be president of all 50 states."


http://www.sptimes.com/2008/01/16/State/Obama_stirs_fight_wit.shtml

[Hugabear]

100. Obama was just reiterating what the DNC had already decided

Once again - it wasn't Obama who decided Michigan and Florida's fate. The states decided that when they blatantly ignored warnings from the DNC, and moved their primaries up in attempt to steal the spotlight from other, smaller states.

[rodeodance]

115. ONCE again. Sen Clinton is asking the DNC to Re-consider their ruling.

[Barack_America]

81. This is a fight between the state and national Democratic parties.

This is not a Clinton vs. Obama situation.

[jonnywishbone97]

87. because Obama clearly loses here

Seems alot like Mississippi back in the early 60s. Obama doesnt have a prayer in Florida now or in November.

[rodeodance]

91. He sure did lose with his decison of NOT standing up for the people

[Hugabear]

99. Hillary's stance sure is genuine, isn't it?

I mean, Hillary cares so much for the people of Florida, that she waits mere days before the primary to demand that Florida's delegates get to cast their votes.

This wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that she just got her clock cleaned in SC, would it? She's looking for an easy win in Florida, and you know it.

[rodeodance]

102. I was speaking of Obama--and I think his decision today will not look good to

many in FL.

[Hugabear]

104. Again, what "decision" would that be?

When did Obama decide that Florida's votes should not count? Because I wasn't aware that he had that power.

[rodeodance]

109. Hill is asking for a reconsideration of the ruling. I did NOT say anything about

about Obama.............

[Hugabear]

111. You said "his decision today will not look good to many in FL"

So I'm asking again - what decision of Obama's are you talking about?

[Barack_America]

118. It's not his decision. Again this is between the state and national parties.

Even if Obama recommended the motion, it's up to the DNC. And they will probably disagree.

[LostInAnomie]

95. Why should people be rewarded for knowingly breaking the rules?

[rodeodance]

106. There is no breaking of rules. Sen. Clinton has asked for a reconsideration at this point.

[MaineDem]

110. I guess, technically, the rules won't be broken until Tuesday

But Florida's primary does break the rules.

I would love to have had my state go early. But we're sticking to the DNC Rules and waiting until Feb 10. We may or may not count.

[rodeodance]

114. There are too many claims of 'breaking the rules" i do not know what will

happen come tueday.

[knitter4democracy]

130. Please read up on this: the rank-and-file had no say.

The people were disenfranchised by state and national party leaders playing chicken. The people didn't want to break the rules. The people begging the party chair in MI not to do this, and we're the ones who got screwed.

[Name removed]

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[Richardson08]

107. Obama wants the remaining primaries held in South Carolina

[Turn CO Blue]

113. Explain it to me.

If Hillary Clinton was the only name on the ballot, how did the voters who wanted to vote for Edwards or Obama or Richardson or whomever get their voices heard? How are those VOTERS being fairly represented?

WHY aren't you concerned that those voters who PREFERRED Edwards or Richardson or Obama HAVE BEEN DISENFRANCHISED if the Clinton votes are "counted"?

If ALL the names had been on the ballot, then it would be fair enough to count them. But all the names WERE NOT on the ballot, and the rules cannot be changed weeks AFTER the game has been played.

[jonnywishbone97]

119. all democrats are on the ballot in Florida

its just clear that Obama will lose by a large margin even though he is advertising here which is against the rules.

[Turn CO Blue]

127. I guess I've gotten it confused with Michigan...

I still think it's a little late to change the rules. I am sure this was a really tough decision for the DNC committee to make, and I respect the leadership that Howard Dean has brought to the DNC.

I am in a state out west - so most of us here are NOT fond of the idea of all this front-loading. It makes the early states more important. Florida and Michigan are not my favorite states right now for trying to jump ahead, but that doesn't mean that I agree that Iowa and NH should maintain their "first" status. It's all bullshit to me. And I think caucuses are an old-fashioned joke.

I wish that the DNC would decide to have a national primary day late in the season, say in May, using a preferred candidate ranking system - then hold a couple of national run-off elections later. So much fairer for the rest of the states' voters!

[jonnywishbone97]

132. I have a Florida Dem ballot right in front of me

and it has every candidate on the ballot. Obama will not get my vote and since Edwards doesnt want to TALK about it neither will he. That leaves one person left and Ill be more than happy to see another Clinton in the White House for 8 more years.

[guruoo]

117. K&R

[usregimechange]

122. That was the DNC decision and his name was not on the MI ballot

How undemocratic would it be to seat delegates when a party decision resulted in his name being off the ballot?

[BlueStateGirl]

128. O? Oprah? That reminds me of the Repubs and their W stickers.

[Wednesdays]

131. Wow...there's all sorts of problems brewing...

which, coupled with the catfight among the top candidates, spells "brokered convention."

[PassingFair]

140. Cool. nt

[jackson_dem]

141. 0bama needs to stop kissing rethug tail for once and examine why we are called the DEMOCRATIC party

[IndianaGreen]

142. The Clintons can't be trusted to keep their word or pledges

The Nevada caucus format was fine to the Clintons until it became inconvenient.

The Clintons agreed with DNC stripping Florida and Michigan of their delegates for moving their primary, until it became inconvenient.

Obama stood by his pledge to abide by DNC's ruling.

Can't trust the Clintons about nothing!

[tammywammy]

146. Agreed

I'm with Obama and Edwards on this.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

143. disgusting isn't it

[robbedvoter]

145. Hillary earned my support with this. I hope the delegates will be seated

people's votes should NEVER be messed up with - by ANYONE.