Ok, if Obama doesn't want to be known as 'the black candidate', let's give him what he wants

[1corona4u]

No history making event, no labeling him 'the first African American president'... no re-writing the history books to include 'the first African American president'. Just another ordinary day in US politics. Just another predsident. Just the usual historic event of number 44, nothing more.

If that's the way he, and his supporters want it, I'm sure it could be arranged.

Of course, we all know Obama has stated many times about 'making history' and how important that is to him. So what's it going to be? People can freely accept that he's black, or, they can ignore/avoid it completely.

[ursi]

1. I am puzzled by the race related accusations on this board

[1corona4u]

8. Perhaps you need to go back to the beginning of this

race. It was Obama who touted 'making history' frequently. Can't make 'history' without there being something uniquely distinguishable to do that. In Obama's case, it's because he's black. Sorry, but that's the fact. And, now all of a sudden, we should all just overlook that. And not talk about it. To do so, is seen as being racist. Especially if one happens to be of another race. Only blacks can talk about blacks now. That's the way Obama supporters are coming across.

[rodeodance]

16. well said. And it can not be overlooked.

[ginnyinWI]

25. I don't see him running away from his color, or running on it.

When I hear him talking about making history, I hear him saying that he wants to be a transformative president like FDR or JFK or yes--Reagan. I hear him talking about a new kind of politics where we are united instead of separated into factions. And this is where the younger demographic is--they do not see race like many of my middle-aged peers do.

I'm a white female, and I just don't see him running as a black candidate, but I do see the Clintons trying to shove him into that box and minimize his support that way.

[TriMetFan]

66. How can any one say he is for .....

uniting people. O.k. may-be African Americans and white man, but come on. The man has talked down to Hillary like if she was second class citizen and he has had homosexuals bigots at campaign rallies for him. I don't understand how this man can be a uniter. oh and by the way I was an Obama supporter. I regret ever sending him money to help him out. I will not be voting for this man if he ends up being the nom.

[Bluerthanblue]

27. no- it isn't a fact. Obama himself has said that his race can't be

"overlooked"- any more than Hillary's being a woman can be ignored. It is a "big deal"- It is a large distinguishing aspect of the "whole".

I don't think it is fair for ANYONE to say that Obama's race, or Hillary's sex, need to be ignored. It is when people represent them... or imply that they(either one of them) are nothing more than "a black man" or "a woman"- When the value of them as individuals- as unique COMPLETE human beings- is ignored and they are used as "tokens".


As for the "only blacks can talk about blacks"- there is some truth to that.

Just as "only women can talk for women"- is an issue.

Or only "GLBT individuals can talk about GLBT issues" - only "veterans can talk about veteran issues"- "only Jews can talk about Jewish issues"- and on and on and on.

It cuts across all demographics, if we want to be honest.

peace~

[TriMetFan]

68. Well said.

[rodeodance]

14. I see no race accusation in the IP. "this board" is vague and broud.

[suston96]

53. Discussing race demographics in elections is not racist.......

[rodeodance]

85. Bingo. Throwing out that word is meant to shut down conversations.

[VotesForWomen]

146. me too; why can't the clintons say one word without being accused of racism? nt

[zanne]

2. But Hillary has never used her gender for votes!

:sarcasm:

You can't have it both ways.

[papau]

"change" - seems either would be "change"

[rodeodance]

6. I, for one, have never said that at all.

[TriMetFan]

70. No one has ever said

she has not. But people like Obama supporters keep putting her down and when she stand up for her self, they call a bitch and ect......

[rodeodance]

3. Well, I don know if that will be possible---as that aspect is already a part

of who he is.

[Ken Burch]

4. Great. You're saying then that HRC is STILL a Democrat if she uses Obama's race against him?

You're saying she still has the right to ask African Americans to back her in the fall if she gets nominated by implying that we don't DARE have a nonwhite nominee?

Sure ya wanna go there, sparky?

[1corona4u]

26. I didn't say any of that, now did I.....

Besides, I'm not a Hillary supporter. I am an Obama hater. Nothing more. It might behoove you to look at my sig line.

I don't even know where you came up with your assessment of my post. It had nothing whatsoever to do with Hillary. Perhaps you need to smoke another bowl.

[Ken Burch]

29. It sounded like you were echoing HRC memes.

My point is that there's no honorable reason for anybody in the party to use Obama's race against him. Is that so hard to accept?

And whoever does will have no chance, ever, of getting African American voters to switch to the candidate THAT person wants them to switch to.

(refresh my memory, why ARE you an Obama hater? I'm not an Obama-lover, just antiracist.)

[1corona4u]

30. See my post; #24.

[Ken Burch]

35. I've seen it. Still, you need to be open enough to admit this:

At this point, you're effectively going to be working for HRC by doing what you're doing. Can you actually tell me a HRC administration will "fight for the TRUTH"?

:puke:

[1corona4u]

37. I'm not 'working' for anyone....

I'm stating my opinion....whether or not it benefits Hillary. I have said many times, I'm not sure I'll even vote, given the fiasco that has come from this race.

One thing I will say is, at least with a Clinton admin, we know what to expect. Whereas with an Obama admin, none of us know what to expect.

[Big Blue Marble]

49. What we can expect with Clinton in office

is an administration that is going to feel and look a lot like the one we have now.

[1corona4u]

51. I think you couldn't be more wrong.

[Big Blue Marble]

60. I hope we do not have to find out who is right

you or me. If that event should befall us, you will find that HRC will control her message and maintain
the same level of secrecy as we have experienced with Bush. She will leave in place much of the unitary excutive
precedents. She is a hawk on Iran. She would be somewhat better on the climate crisis and the environment.

Most importantly her election would leave this country torn apart and bitter as it has been for the last ten years.

[1corona4u]

72. I think an Obama presidency will tear this country apart even more...

deny it all you want. I see it already.

[Bluerthanblue]

84. you may deny being racist- but much is spoken

between the lines.

I wish you healing, wisdom and peace~

[1corona4u]

88. Obviously, you don't know how to 'read'.

[Bluerthanblue]

90. oh, I do-

sometimes I wish I didn't.

But then I'd remain ignorant.

And ignorance isn't bliss.

peace~

[mtnsnake]

120. Isn't it amazing

how quickly they throw the race card at you as soon as they realize they have no other ammo to counter you with?

[Bluerthanblue]

140. we can only see ourselves

from the inside out.

That can be limiting.

1corona4u admits to hating Obama, yet she gives no good explanation for this kind of extreem emotion.
She wants to hold Obama's race against him when it is to her advantage, yet wants him to deny it exists when that benefits her.

No one is playing the "race card" here Mtnsnake. This isn't a game with little peg people in little plastic cars, driven around on a board made by Milton Bradley. This is real life.

Racism is not a thing of the past. As much as people would like it to be.

1corona4u's words speak for themself. We each hear them as we do.

peace~

[Bluerthanblue]

86. self-delete double post

[TriMetFan]

77. You are so funny.

You think that a man that has a friend that is a slumlord is going to do better then some one like Hillary or Edwards.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
You need to go back and check out Obamas voting record, and thats if he even bother to show up to vote. He has voted more in line with Bush then Hillary has. She was ranked #6 in the top 10 Senators that voted against Bush. Obama was somewhere around #17.

[Big Blue Marble]

144. Your ignorance is profound.

Or did you miss the endorsements of the daughter and brother of JFK?

Your pitiful attack on Obama is weak, just weak no matter how many emoticons you add to the "discourse".

[TriMetFan]

148. Wow. So all you can do is say that

I'm uneducated, when you don't even know anything about me?????? And just because Coraline is endorsing Obama doesn't mean one little thing to me. Where has she been all these years?? Now let's talk about Ted. Do you know that because of Ted running against Jimmy Carter in 1980, that also helped weaken Carters run for re-election that year when so many Democrats in the party told Ted to stay out???????? Yes Senator Kennedy has done a lot for the people of the U.S., but that year he really hurt us. Also if you Obama supporters can't handle the fact that Obama has a Friend, which he helped that is a slumlord, that is your problem.

[mtnsnake]

118. Where do you come up with that stuff?

'Hillary will be just like Bush'. Gimme an effin break.

[Big Blue Marble]

145. I assure you that she would be far more like Bush than

you would be comfortable with.

[hisownpetard]

57. Yeah, why don't you just sit this one out? Stay home that day, maybe have a nice cup

of relaxing green tea and stick pins in all your voodoo dolls...


Ed:typo

[1corona4u]

61. I have more than 2 options...

not sure what I will do yet. It depends on who the nominee is.

[TriMetFan]

74. You hit the nail on the head.

[Adelante]

43. Thank you for your honesty

"I am an Obama hater."

I don't have to wonder anymore.

[1corona4u]

52. See #24.

[tammywammy]

150. Well, isn't that special

Nice to know your an "Obama hater."

[KittyWampus]

5. That would actually be very cool. And it'll be nice if Hillary can keep from getting the vapors

next time the boys are mean to her and she's facing collapsing poll numbers.

It's one thing to acknowledge factors like race and gender. It's another to exploit them cynically for your own benefit and to the detriment to society at large.

[TriMetFan]

83. And Obama doesn't???????

Walking around with your horse blinder????

[Occam Bandage]

7. There's a difference between "a candidate who is black" and "the black candidate."

And I think you know that; you're still just bitter.

[1corona4u]

12. How is there a difference?

It's just semantics, and verbiage. Nothing tangible.

[THUNDER HANDS]

17. the difference is

One is a candidate who appeals only to black people. Another is a candidate who appeals to everyone.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

59. Obama appeals

and more people are getting to hear about him. Billary will have to watch the Latino/a vote

[1corona4u]

63. You know, maybe I need to come up with a derogatory

name for Obama. Since you Hillary bashers can't bring yourselves to use her name properly...

[Occam Bandage]

19. The difference is

a candidate from whom his race is unremarkable, and a candidate who draws support from--and who campaigns on the platform of representing--African-Americans.

Obama is the former. And that is what is remarkable and worthy of history.

[kurth]

50. The Candidate Who Is Black Formerly Known As The Black Candidate

Formerly Known As The Candidate Who Is Black.

[EffieBlack]

124. Bottom line - to some people, race is a valid consideration if it's a negative

But the minute it appears that it might actually be a POSTIVE consideration, they get all colorblind on your ass.

[rodeodance]

9. Hillary embodies womanliness while Obama embodies blackness. It is a part

of who they are.

[1corona4u]

15. Exactly...

and to ignore/avoid it, is just ridiculous.

[rodeodance]

81. I do not understand why anyone would want to ignore/ avoid the obvious.

[libbygurl]

18. Amen. nt

[Occam Bandage]

20. Couldn't be further from the truth on both counts.

[1corona4u]

28. Wow...talk about being in denial....

just wow.

[Occam Bandage]

62. Obama is black. Obama does not "embody blackness." Clinton is a woman. Clinton does not

"embody womanness."

Obama runs away from the sociological archetype of the Black, and Clinton away from the sociological archetype of the Woman. There is a difference between "having a vagina" and "embodying womanness."

[rodeodance]

75. its part of their identity--of who both are as humans.

[Occam Bandage]

82. A part, yes. Having X be part of you does not mean that you embody X-ness.

[rodeodance]

87. and where would you put that "X part"? Outside your body? in a box?

[Occam Bandage]

93. Like I said: X being a part of you is not the same as embodying X.

[rodeodance]

106. X is a part of their identity respectively. --and yes, it is the same.

[ArkySue]

152. Flunk biology did you?

Female=XX

Male=XY

Both have X genes. Bio 101.

[Ken Burch]

32. ...say WHAT?????.....

You're saying Obama isn't black and HRC isn't a woman?

I think they'd both be interested to hear that.

:sarcasm:

Seriously though, Obama supporters would do a lot better in the long run if they said "yes, our candidate is black. He's also a black candidate. It's valid to be both. it's good both to be both. The country is ready both for a candidate who simply happens to be black and who also embodies the best and most heroic values of both African and African American culture. We own that and we're proud of that".

You can win by defending your candidate in those terms. And ultimately, taking that kind of approach is the only chance you'll have in the fall when the GOP slime, slur and smear machine cranks up.

[Occam Bandage]

64. Yes, that is clearly exactly what I am saying. I am saying that Clinton is not a woman.

:eyes:

[1corona4u]

65. In essence, that's what I'm saying...

just own it. That's all.

[rodeodance]

78. maybe for java is in order???

[rodeodance]

80. btw--i am agreeing with you. java for 64? (or whatever it takes to wake up)

[rodeodance]

109. Well said.

[matcom]

10. I bow to the all powerful "you" who can arrange it

you know, for our next "predsident"

:eyes:

[alcibiades_mystery]

40. Let US arrange that

"I'm sure it could be arranged..."

:rofl:

Indeed, matcom.

[Joe the Revelator]

11. Yeah! I hate Obama because he's black too!!!!

arrrrrrrrrrrgh!



:eyes:

[1corona4u]

24. I don't hate him because he's black....

I hate him because;

1. he has not paid his dues to this country yet
2. he ignores the baby boomers, blatently, and panders to the youth
3. he does not have enough experience, and will have to rely on 'advisors', which is what we have now
4. he talks about unity, then ignores various segments of society
5. he's one person on stage, and another when he's off
6. he lied about running this year, and probably cost the dems the WH
7. he is exempt from taking responsibility for his past actions
8. he avoids controversial votes, so he doesn't have to make his position known
9. he gets other people to do his political bashing, so he seems above it
10.he makes stupid statements frequently, then wiggles out of them
11.he ruined this very critical election for his own selfish reasons
12.he is being forced upon us by the media, because of his 'celebrity'
13.he whines too much
14.he's arrogant


That's just off the top of my head, and I'm sure I'm leaving something out....but those are most of my reasons.



I also don't hate blacks. I love lots of them. Morgan Freeman, Louis Gossett Jr., James Earl Jones, Cuba Gooding Jr., Laurence Fishburne, Wands Sykes, Will Smith, Chris Rock, Denzel Washington, Eugene Robinson, Charlie Rangel.... my next door neighbor, my UPS driver...too many to list.....and some of them are much like Obama. Celebrities.

[Kermitt Gribble]

67. I wouldn't say

I hate him, just that I prefer that he's not the nominee, but let me add a couple:

-he wants to work with repubes that want to destroy everything good about this country, and who bannished the Dems in congress to the basement-these people should be ousted from our govt, not encouraged to participate even further.

-he uses empty rhetoric like "hope" and "change" and fails to address real Democratic issues.

[rodeodance]

91. Nice list (but I am for leaving 'hate" of these posts-yours and others)

[1corona4u]

123. Well, the word 'hate'

is just used here on DU, as in Hillary haters, JE haters, etc. I just couldn't think of another word for it. Obama detractor? Nah, doesn't work. To say that I don't support Obama doesn't go far enough in my mind. Got a better word?

[rodeodance]

132. not really. it is effective so suspose that is why it is used. but, may think of one later.

[LowerManhattanite]

97. “I also don't hate blacks. I love lots of them...”

And then rattles off a list?


This is performance art, right? A long-form goof that we'll all have a great, big guffaw
over once the drummer pops off a rim shot at the end, right?

Man...Andy Kaufman lives, I guess. Lost his edge though. :(

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

104. I think you got it. This makes Andy Kauffman look like Larry the Cable Guy. n/t

[1corona4u]

126. Actually, it was more of an example

of the black personality types I do like. Sorry you didn't get that.

[LowerManhattanite]

136. “Actually, it was more of an example of the black personality types I do like.”

LOL! Keep digging, kid. That hard thing your shovel hits? That'll be the bottom of the Great Wall Of China.

[TriMetFan]

143. Don't you get it yet??????

If you don't like Obama for any good reason and you try to explain why, you are a racist in DU.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

99. "I also don't hate blacks. I love lots of them."

I'm guessing you have no idea how retarded this sounds.

[TriMetFan]

142. How true.

But I will be surprised if you are not label a racist.

[jonnywishbone97]

13. if obama uses race in the general elections

the repukes will clean his clock

[stray cat]

21. Racism and sexism exist - some people will not vote for an African American

some won't vote for a woman and some people legitimately don't like a certain candidate regardless.

[Ken Burch]

34. And, in THIS day and age, people who won't vote for an African American OR a woman

Have no progressive or humane views and wouldn't vote for us anyway, so there's no reason to even bother with knuckledraggers like that.

Also, those people are no longer the majority, and never will be again.

[Bluerthanblue]

22. If you really can't understand his statement,

then perhaps you are one of those few people in this world who has been fortunate enough to be judged by all the factors which make up 1corona4u.

Not by your body- be it female or male- "beautiful" or "ugly"- old or young- big-small-fat-thin-

Not by your ethnic heritage, or family connections, your wealth or poverty-

But by what YOU in your entirety all aspects being considered, and blended together equal.

That doesn't mean ignoring any part of "who you are"- (as if that is truly possible) - it means not being seen "exclusively"-known exclusively- by one singular, aspect of the "whole".

I can't fault Obama for this- I can understand it completely.

He can't ignore any of the things that make him who he is- He is asking people to see him in his entirety.

The same can be said for Hillary the 'first woman'- ex 'first lady'- John Edwards- the 'working class hero'- 'personal injury lawyer'- Dennis Kucinich- "vegetarian"- "hippie"- "bootstrap" -"everyman" etc.

Each one of these people are so much more than one "buzz-word".
And for anyone to ask to be seen "fully"- well, is that so hard to understand?


peace~

[mtnsnake]

23. Once again, you make good sense

for all the right reasons.

[Brundle_Fly]

31. Didn't the Kennedy's make history?

Didn't Abraham Lincoln make history?

Hell even Reagan made history.

I think this argument is mute, people can make history regardless of ethnic or racial characteristics. It's shallow minded to think differently.

[1corona4u]

33. Like I said...

Can't make 'history' without there being something uniquely distinguishable to do that. In Obama's case, it's because he's black. Take that away from Obama, and he's just another candidate. Nothing more.

[Brundle_Fly]

36. so when Kennedy said in his campaign for the White House

lets make history, it was because he was white? Because at that point he didn't have all that much going for him either.

So if John Edwards says "Let's make history," its because he is the son of a mill worker? That seems to be getting more play than the Obama is black, which is all you seem to care about.

I don't like your argument, it seems judgmental and shallow.

Sorry.

[1corona4u]

129. You don't have to 'like it'

Sorry.

[jackson_dem]

153. Kennedy was the first Catholic president

And it was a factor just as Obama's race and Hillary's gender are in 2008. JFK won something like 70% of the Catholic vote by the way. There is precedent for Obama's high level of support among the black community.

[Brundle_Fly]

38. I didn't like Nelson Mandela using his blackness

to make history. Shameless.

[Bluerthanblue]

42. uh...

did you forget the sarcasm icon?

I'm sure this is not serious.

peace~

[Brundle_Fly]

45. sarcasm on.

I don't like where this argument leads. It is basically saying all Obama can do is be the first black president. I happen to think he is capable of much much more.

It's hard for me to understand why this argument isn't flagged and deleted.

[1corona4u]

47. Well, you don't have to participate in it.

that's why there is 'ignore threads' and users on this board. There's nothing wrong with this discussion.

If you think he's capable of much more, then so be it. But it remains to be seen. Just because YOU think he's capable of more, doesn't make it a fact either.

[Bluerthanblue]

69. I don't like this being an issue either Brundle_Fly- but

it is. And ignoring it, hasn't worked so far.

So, I believe it is important to address it- and de-bunk it. Or at the very least, expose it for the festering infection that it is. Over and over and over again.

Flagging and deleting or ignoring doesn't really solve anything.

Just like pretending the lump was nothing didn't make it go away.

Ignorance- especially willful ignorance is anything but bliss.
:hi:
peace~

[B Calm]

39. No they want it both ways.

[ecstatic]

41. you don't get it. Or maybe you don't want to

Either way, that luxury must be nice.

[1corona4u]

44. Oh, I totally get it...

but I haven't been drinking the Obama swill.

[Brundle_Fly]

46. so this whole thing is

because you don't want to vote for Obama?!!?

and your initial post is entirely because all he can do for history ( in your mind ) is be black.

shallow.

[1corona4u]

48. No, it's because of what I said in #24.

And I don't think Obama has much to offer this country. I haven't seen anything to convince me of that. Nothing. Pretty words, are just that. My mother always use to say; 'actions speak louder than words'. She was right.

[Brundle_Fly]

54. We get you don't like Obama

but why inject the race issue into it?

[1corona4u]

56. Because it IS a factor....

Michelle Obama made it a factor. The media made it a factor. They were talking about this a LONG time ago. Obama made it a factor, with his 'history making' speeches, and his frequent references to MLK.(which he carefully tried to balance out with references to JFK) Oprah made it a factor, when she, who had NEVER endorsed ANY candidate before, all of a sudden, decides to endorse Obama. She said herself that she had never done so previously, because she knew she had the power to change elections.(kind of arrogant if you ask me...)It's not just because she liked him, or thinks he's right for the country. So now, it's OK for Oprah to change elections....rriiigghhhttt.

[Bluerthanblue]

76. NO- !! how DARE you

say "Michelle Obama" made race a factor in this campaign???

What an ignorant, bigoted statement.

CHANCE made it a factor- DNA made it a factor- LIFE made it a factor.

Did you ask to be born white? male? female?
Did YOU do anything special which allowed you to choose factors that would influence what opportunities would be "cake-walks" for you, while being "world-changing" for others?


What a myopic, selfish way of viewing this world.

I hope you learn what you need to know without the kind of suffering some people must experience simply to exist.

:shrug:

peace~

[1corona4u]

133. Wow, get help...

you really are in denial.

[Bluerthanblue]

141. -

?

You are making no sense at all.

Thank you for your concern- I've gotten help, and still get help, as needed- As a result, I've learned that acknowledging the reality that I have no more or less value than anyone else, is something we all need to come to terms with.

It is only when we realize this that we can really grow and heal.
With this knowledge comes the opportunity to strip off some of the entrenched prejudices that cripple us, and destroy others.

peace~

[rodeodance]

94. his blackness is part of him as Hillarys femaleness is a part of who she is.

[gravity]

55. Obama wants to transcend race

He needs people to vote for him because he is the best candidate for the presidency, not because he will be the first black president.

Of course race is going to be an issue, but labeling yourself as "the black candidate" just adds fuel to the fire.

[1corona4u]

58. No, the best , most qualified, candidate for the presidency...

is no longer in the race. That, is a tragic fact.

[matcom]

71. why do you support MBNA rewriting the Bankruptcy Laws?

why your support for the credit card companies?

[1corona4u]

79. So shitbags

who run up their credit cards can't shove it up the ass of every other american, when they are tired of paying for the useless shit they stuff their houses with.

That's why.

[matcom]

89. shitbags who run up their credit cards?

REALLY?

you REALLY said that?

oh my.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

92. But the protections for the rich "shitbags" who fill their multiple houses

with even more useless shit are just fine? Got it.

[Name removed]

95. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[1corona4u]

98. Got any proof of that., or are you just throwing shit

against the wall, and hoping it sticks. I've done the research, and it's mostly middle class americans who file BK's. not 'rich' people.

[matcom]

100. if you have done the research, perhaps YOU have the links

really handy

[1corona4u]

103. Yeah, I have them, and if you

weren't such a vile little poster, maybe I'd be inclined to post them. Do your own research. I don't owe you jack shit.

[matcom]

105. honey, I'll be here long after you're gone

not to worry

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

107. Sure, you say that now. But do you have a list?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4228776&mesg_id=4229150

[matcom]

111. oh I have a list alright

milk
eggs
flour
breadcrumbs (Italian)
pick up the dry cleaning
get keys made
birdseed

:P

[1corona4u]

110. Sure you will...

you have nothing else to do. Oh, and now welcome to my ignore list. Both you and your 'friend'.

[matcom]

114. now THAT is a real honor!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

121. Let me ask you this.

Are there any blacks you don't hate? If so, can you name at least more than 13?

[matcom]

125. I hate Lee Mercer

:rofl:

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

128. Is it because of his campaign theme that says:

"The United States Government must regulate government sleepers and government regulations authorized thought, ideas, acts, actions, rights, wrongs, controversies, facts, issues and circumstantial evidence through intelligence research, law research, law enforcement research and criminal law research implementing ROTC communications research innovating education national and international."?

[matcom]

130. no, its because he is Jewish

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

134. Hell no, you didn't just say that.

:rofl:

[matcom]

just trying to stick with the theme here

:rofl:

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

115. You need to stop with the "lists", really. n/t

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

101. Here's some shit for you to get a whiff.

http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_1000657.shtml

[matcom]

102. ACK!! LINKS??? FACTS????

there is NO place for those here!

out!! OUT!!

:rofl:

[1corona4u]

108. LOL, that's the best you could do??

Hysterical.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

112. I'm here all week make sure you tip your waitress. And here I thought you were the comedian.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4228776&mesg_id=4229150

[gravity]

73. And your true colors come through

[1corona4u]

96. I've made plenty of statements, on this board

about the effect Obama has had on all of the candidates, because he lied about running this year. Don't act like I've hidden that, because I haven't. Perhaps you just missed those post.

[gravity]

113. You have an agenda

I bet you know why Obama wants to not be viewed as "the black candidate", or else you wouldn't have broughten it up.

[1corona4u]

117. Broughten, LOL....

I broughten it up, because people don't want us to talk about it. I always do what people tell me not to do. Just my way of exercising my independence.

[LowerManhattanite]

127. “I always do what people tell me not to do.”

Someone please tell this kid to NOT jump off a ten-story building.

Thank you.

[1corona4u]

135. This 'kid' is 50.

Been around long enough to see most everything, and I am not impressed with Obama. Sorry, I'm just not.

[gravity]

138. I'd respect an honest discussion

but for some reason, I don't think that was your original intention

[krkaufman]

151. It could just as easily be said that the best, most qualified candidate ...

... was never in the race, so your point is moot. Further, if the "best, most qualified" candidate cannot get enough votes or donations to last more than a few primaries, then their support was mighty thin.

This argument makes the OP look even more petty than previous, implying that Obama candidacy is where it is simply because of his race. With the parallel implication that Hillary's candidacy also owes primarily to her gender.

Petty. And saddening.

[michaz]

116. First and foremost, Obama is a man! He just happens to be black.

That does not mean that he has to run on this. I do not really believe he is, but this poster and many others would like to ruin the man because of it! I must say, it is getting a little old and a whole lot sickening!!

[1corona4u]

119. So tell Obama supporters to just own it.

That would end it all.

[Alexander]

122. So if you can't race-bait him to death, he's too white for you. Got it.

:eyes:

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

131. Which is why many people are turning to Lee Mercer Jr. as the answer. n/t

[Alexander]

137. (All three)

:rofl:

[krkaufman]

154. chuckle! good one. n/t

[Name removed]

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[populistdriven]

147. K&R! nt

[Gloria]

149. Actually, he may be the new BIll Clinton!!!

Obama's biographer, Shelby Steele, said on CSpan2 today that Obama had it all figure out at age 14!! He quoted Obama..on the strategy of bargaining...

He found out that "if you're not angry, they'll like you..." He says he's done it all his life...and this is one of the way that Obama is "bound."

Now, doesn't that have an eerie similarity to BC's penchant to try to please everyone, just to be loved??

(Says this is his Achilles heel...once you have to reveal yourself, if he starts to say what he really thinks...then he's just an ordinary guy...he won't be the guy to carry people's aspirations. That's one of the ways he's bound....tied to a strategy that will very likely defeat him...it will give him an initial burst of support, but eventually it will turn on him....)

The biography is titled "A Bound Man: Why We Are Excited About Obama and Why He Can't Win"

[ginchinchili]

155. But he does want to be know as the black candidate, that's why he keeps reminding us.

It strikes me as hypocritical for Obama supporters to attack the Clintons for mentioning that this is a historic election with the first serious female candidate and the first serious African American candidate, but when Obama spoke after winning in South Carolina, he said the same thing. So how does this work, whites are not allowed to mention Obama is black but blacks are? Is that it? Or is it just that the Clintons can't mention it, but Obama can? Is that it? I get enough of the double standard crap from the Republicans, thank you. And let me state that I'm not a Clinton supporter, but I do support the truth.