Clinton Wins in South Carolina

[Girlieman]

By successfully marginalizing Obama as the Black Candidate.

AP reports that Obama picked up 80 percent of the Black vote, and only 25 percent of the White vote. That's no way to win a nomination, much less a general election.

Meanwhile, Clinton has her own negatives to deal with if she gets the nomination.

It's really stupid that the Democratic race has for all intents and purposes narrowed down to two candidates that stand to have major problems getting elected in November. Yeh, I know Edwards is still in it, and I would love to see him pull it out, but there's little evidence that this will happen.

I thought that the whole point of this process was to win in November. I must be missing something.

[cali]

1. nope. god knows they tried but most of the headlines

this morning aren't stressing the racial aspect and they're noting that he forged a coalition of black and white voters. They failed. The screwed themselves and I hope they keep it up.

[Girlieman]

3. Excuse me, where is the coalition of black and white voters?

80 percent black and 25 percent white is a coalition? O brother . . .

Mind you, that's 25 percent of the White Democrats.

People will believe what they want to believe.

[karynnj]

33. It was Edwards native state!

and southern whites were likely Obama's toughest group. He did better with whites in Iowa and NH than Edwards.

[ISUGRADIA]

34. 25% in a three person race

if she loses in November because of low black turnout it will be because of this crap.

[rodeodance]

4. I think Obama made himself a Black Candidate for SC--

[Lucinda]

50. Yep. :(

[H2O Man]

11. I agree.

Attempts to exploit racial divisions should be rejected across the board. It is sad to see this type of shit on DU.

[Gloria]

21. Lest we forget, only a few short months ago.....

Seems to me many are forgetting way back when during the time of Oprah in SC and the huge stadium rallies…
There was much discussion of how she spoke…she dropped her normal speech and launched into “Southern preacher” mode, totally out of her usual speech (not a movie role). Many wondered about this “act” and whether THIS was playing a race card!! Remember??? I do....

[H2O Man]

31. I know very little

about Oprah, but I was happy to see her making an effort to get more people to register and participate in the political process. I paid little attention to those who attempted to make an issue of how she spoke, because I considered it as shallow as when people tried to make an issue out of how Hillary Clinton spoke. I have no problem in remembering these things, because I oppose all of the "-isms" that are attempts to divide and exclude human beings from fully participating in our democracy.

[KittyWampus]

44. I'm from Long Island. Most times people don't know where I'm from cause I dropped the

Lawng Awlant sound. Consciously. However, when I'm with certain groups of people here it does slip out. Unconsciously.

It is natural.

[matcom]

2. yesterday it was a 10% prediction. today the reality is 25%

this in a state that still flies the confederate flag :eyes:

yet today we have a political "expert" who posts a random thought without links, facts, or insight to back him up in order to rock the boat.

you don't look too smart with this tripe. or am *I* missing something? :eyes:

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[Girlieman]

8. You express yourself well

Nice post. With those kinds of communication and reasoning skills, you have a bright future . . .














































As a republican.

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[rodeodance]

17. that is rude name-calling

[pretzel4gore]

20. what's this?

using a sledge on a fly, no?
how insanely corrupt can a country be to have to choose among two innocents for the toughest job on earth, requiring brains and nerve and a base of support that comprehends the potential re Abe Lincoln's supporter base? Hillary is ok, but she's friendly to men who despise her country, men who rubbed liberalism's face in the 'blue dress'...Obama's ok too, but he thinks, even if provocatively that regan was a power pol who 'steered' the blah blah blah (regan wore fukkin diapers since 1981, ferchrissake)...both the democrat candidates think the nation is fulla gibbering 1/2 wits, who admire bush's 'sincerity' though decrying his flaws (i know i don't, though many might) ...the fact is the bushes are a crime organization, killers in scented thongs, who pretend they're something else, to win support. And Obama thinks that's just snafu!
Seriously, that hucckabeebee jackass is the best man to steer this bitch into the iceberg, over the cliff and into the abyss. Kaplop! Hill and Barack wouldn't do that with such benighted goofy slackjaw entertaining charm huckubeebee (or romney, or ghouli, or soon) would. The imperial dynasty of whatcha watching jethro has to stop, or the planet is dead. God is humanity in spacetime, and while there might be other eggs in the basket, there possibly isn't, so saving the world is our job, and huckubeebee is better for it then any democrat (Dems make the imperial dynasty of ww jethro aka the USA work somehow, which then simply empowers mr pig, master of the imperial dynasty etc...)

[Onlooker]

6. Obama humiliated Clinton

Clinton's racist campaign not only brought out blacks in record numbers, but gave Obama his share of the white vote. Yes, blacks showed pride, just as it's not uncommon for Irish areas to support Irish candidates and Jewish areas to support Jewish candidates, but the fact that Obama picked up over 25% of the white votes in the south is very promising.

[Windy]

16. not the mention that it was an open elections. Crossover too maybe? n/t

[zanne]

35. You got that right, Onlooker!

Fired up and ready to go!

[quickesst]

42. What a crock...

of bullshit your peddling.

"Yes, blacks showed pride, just as it's not uncommon for Irish areas to support Irish candidates and Jewish areas to support Jewish candidates, but the fact that Obama picked up over 25% of the white votes in the south is very promising."

And in the same fucking breath, deny race had anything to do with Obama'a victory. Not only delusional, with a dash of wishful thinking, but dishonest on the face. Which begs the question. What the hell is wrong with you people? You not only want it your way, you want it every way possible. I've never witnessed a group of people who could match their bitching, crying, pissin', and moaning in defeat, with that of victory. I'll repeat, Obama supporters here, could find a racist in an empty box. Thanks.
quckesst

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

7. Our candidates will have major problems?

Have you looked at THEIR candidates?

At their debate the other night, every one of them (excepting Ron Paul, who won't get the nomination) came out strong for war, war and more war.

Their own party leaders don't like their own three top candidates. They've really got only two top candidates, and each one of them is swimming in negatives.

I'm not going to join in the hand-wringing over our candidates. Our nominee will beat theirs.

[Glorfindel]

15. Oh, I LOVE your signature line!

"Just for a change of pace, why not take a break from pissing on Democrats and spend some time kicking around some goddamned motherfucking Republicans. Plenty to choose from. Kick them all!" That's the best thing I've ever read. :toast:

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

25. Gracias!

I changed my sig line in anger over the seething Dem hatred expressed on this board. Gets tiresome, ya know?
Here's to electing a Democrat! :toast:

[unapatriciated]

40. Yup...that's what I have noticed too.

In Flordia, McCain was talking about how the surge was working and bush's failure was not doing it sooner. I'm an Edwards supporter..but any one of our candidates can beat their's in a heartbeat.

[jefferson_dem]

9. Obama won the same % of white males as did Hillary and he won a *majority* of younger white voters.

In the end, this shows Hillary to be the one with a narrow coalition. How can she compete in November with that?

You're sounding like Pat Buchanan who was trumpeting this line last night. Good company there...

[GalleryGod]

12. 50% of Whites in the 18-30 age group

the "fuel" that propels us in 2008 !

[elizm]

19. Bingo! nt

[Glorfindel]

13. Doesn't matter who wins the Democratic primary in South Carolina

the state will vote overwhelmingly Repuke in November. It only has 8 electoral votes anyway. Just a fart in the whirlwind, but my fellow Democrats are ripping each other to shreds over a trivial contest in a tiny southern state - much to the glee of the media and the Repukes, who really ARE racists and misogynists. How else can one explain the habitual expression on Condoleeza Rice's face?

[Dogmudgeon]

14. And she eats babies, too

:eyes:

Let's keep racism out of this, shall we? Team Clinton has already gotten a couple of ass-kickings over it, a few they didn't even deserve. Far from any partisanship, this depresses the entire campaign.

Congratulations to Barack Obama -- and a great big Happy Birthday, too. But the Primary season has only just started.

--p!

[Meldread]

18. That's a load, and here is why -

Am I to believe that white folks - like myself - haven't noticed that Obama is... GASP... black until now? He wins in lily white Iowa - a state so white the only thing whiter than its people is its snow - and not only beats Hillary, but also beats John Edwards who had been there for years campaigning. He then went onto the equally white state of New Hampshire, and nearly won - losing only by the skin of his teeth - but still managing to capture an equal number of delegates as Hillary. He then moved on to Nevada, and although he lost the popular vote there he won in areas that were typically more conservative and Republican leaning... and... WHITE... and it was that showing there that allowed him to walk away from Nevada claiming it a tie - she won the popular vote, he won the delegate race.

Then... suddenly... we hit South Carolina and white people go - "Oh my god! We've been voting for a BLACK man!"

Let's get real. If Obama loses white support for being black at this point, then all anyone needs to do is find that red faced, baboon nosed, finger wagging ex-President. They can then trace it back to his comments involving Jesse Jackson, and officially nominate him as a race baiter. Then he can go onto the General Election and lose as every sane African American with an ounce of dignity, self-respect and pride remains home. Not to mention every white voter who is appalled at the type of shit being pulled - as the exit polls clearly showed in South Carolina - they were most certainly sick of it.

[angie_love]

22. LOL

"then all anyone needs to do is find that red faced, baboon nosed, finger wagging ex-President."

Oh man, that line is hysterical!

[billbuckhead]

28. Here's where race was injected into the campaign

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu9Eg_WwAQs>
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESsaVSTSYxQ&feature=related>

[desi]

46. Exactly. Mrs. Obama took the bait and there was no turning back.

The msnbc producers did a masterful job of using Mrs. Obama to launch the race card by using the "meek/trustworthy" Mika Brezinsky sp? whose father works for the Obama campaign. If people do not recognize the "Gore-ing" being perpetrated by the M$M this cycle they were not paying attention in 2000 OR 2004.

I asked a question below of the OP but they never replied. Depending on the answer I was going to post the following.

The race WAR was initiated by none other than Michelle Obama AND the Obama camp. Oprah's appearances in SC was a "stroke of 'genius'" ...

Michelle Obama: "Black America Will Wake Up And Get It"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/12/michelle-obama-black-am_n_72268.html

[JohnnyLib2]

23. Perhaps your reasoning is politics of the past?

I sure don't know, but things are shifting before our eyes. :shrug:

[desi]

24. Who is saying this?

"Clinton Wins in South Carolina. By successfully marginalizing Obama as the Black Candidate."

Is that a direct quote from AP or is that your take?

[quickesst]

26. Here's some honesty.....

and truth that Obama supporters cannot face. Obama wins Iowa, and his supporters laud the ability to bring in the white vote. He loses NH, and his supporters cry "cheating, racist, fixed elections, HRC wins Nevada, and Obama supporters repeat the same tired shit as they did about NH. Now, Obama wins SC, and Obama supporters laud Obama's ability to form a coalition of black and white voters, although that "coalition" is 80% black, proving the "country is ready for change". When Clinton wins the her next primary, predictably we will hear all the same old tired rhetoric, and the fastest race card pullers in the west, east, north, and south, will be out in full force once again, coupled with unfounded cries of cheating, and voter manipulation. Some people are ripe for manipulation, and Obama supporters are ready to fall off the vine. They will use the fact that other states are not as heavily populated with blacks as SC is, and spin it into a corner, where it will have no chance to avoid being bombarded, and overwhelmed, by the flurry of race cards thrown. Then, when Obama wins his next primary, it will once again "prove" that Obama reaches across racial lines, and so on, and so on. In a short sentence. Obama supporters are the queens and kings of the "ultimate flip-flop". They would also make great detectives, because they are the only group I know that could find a racist in an empty box. Thanks.
quickesst

[1corona4u]

36. ...

[ShortnFiery]

37. Yeah, the DLC politico ruling class are quoting you as they cry into their caviar.

:eyes:

As HRC's illustrious strategist would guip if he wasn't an entrenched crony is:

Obama beat Hillary like a bad piece of meat! :rofl:

[Leopolds Ghost]

49. Your statistics marginalize your message. 80% of Obama voters were black?

Questionable claim when Obama got 25% of the white vote and Hillary got...
35% of the white vote! A whole 10% more. 10% of the white vote does not
equate to 30% of would-be Obama voters who voted for Hillary instead,
leaving him with "only" the black vote. That makes no sense.

(meaning I take it Edwards got 40% of the white vote, likely to be his
strongest showing, unfortunately.)

The reality is, if a Jewish candidate got 80% of the Jewish vote, it does
NOT "marginalize" him or change his popularity among other groups.

[Meshuga]

27. That's the shit that the Clinton campaign is throwing in hopes it will stick

If Obama wins the nomination the Republicans will use it. Republicans don't need Rove when they have the Clintons to do the dirty job.

[ShortnFiery]

39. Well, to D.C.'s wealthy polticos, it's a "WIN-WIN" if either the RNC or the DLC win the WH.

The Clintonian "Corporate DLC" has been selecting our Democratic Party's nominees since 1992. They are vicious when backed into a corner by us damned "chattering classes" actually educating ourselves and VOTING IN RECORD NUMBERS. ;)

[Medusa]

29. Obama won more voters than voted for ALL the Democratic candidates

4 years ago. Obama won amongst women. Obama won every single age group except those over 60. Obama won 25% of all white voters which make up a MINORITY of Democratic voters in SC. Bitter grapes much there OP.

[karynnj]

30. Other than Pat Buchanan, no one is buying that

25% of Southern white voters versus 2 other candidates isn't bad. Edwards won that segment, but it is his own peers - and he won it less convincingly than Obama won the black vote - where Edwards got 2%.

[zulchzulu]

32. Iowa and New Hampshire had plenty of the white vote and...

...plenty of the white vote voted for Obama in South Carolina.

Edwards got the most of the white vote in South Carolina, edging out Obama. To say the Clintons got to brand Obama as just the "black candidate" is the view of someone who hasn't seen the obvious evidence of the campaign so far.

The Clintons lost badly and it's going to hurt them even more if they continue to have Bill Clinton doing his best to be an ass. I say keep him on the trail. Hillary's support will crumble.

[mdmc]

38. I hope the black vote carries him through 2-5-8

Then the whities can decide to vote for Barack Obama or Mac /Mitt - great white hope.

[ShortnFiery]

41. Give me a break = the Mc/Mit "Vanila Ice" guys are f**king GEEKS.

And we all know that "geekieness" trumps "racism." :spray:

IMO, too simplistic. :shrug:

[mdmc]

43. I think any of the Dems can win the general

Barack included.

[Vinca]

45. Why would "marginalizing" a black candidate be winning?

It would be a giant step backward as far as I'm concerned.

[Thrill]

47. Didn't work with the smart white folks down there

[book_worm]

48. When is Hillary going to prove she can win young voters, black voters, independents and men?

She won what 36% of the white vote compared to 24% for Obama. Obama won 80% of the black vote but Hillary only got 16%--her showing doesn't seem very impressive to me with white or black voters.

[Perry Logan]

51. I can't help but notice the only ones talking incessantly about race are the Obama people.

It's never the Clinton people.