Keith O. is really making me angry with his blatant smearing of HC

[jasmine621]

I used to have a lot of respect for KO because he was fearles in giving information and facts no matter what. His obvious disdain for Bill and Hillary and his inability to be factual and accurate where they are concerned has made me sad. It was obvious last night that he has crossed the line for me when he along with the other MSNBC pundits were alleging that HC failed to give a concession speech and when proven wrong KO tired to gloss over the lie by saying that she gave a statement but no concession speech. I am saddened that Keith has gone this low.

[GalleryGod]

1. Where the Clintons are concerned the list grows longer

first..Chris Matthews,then George Steph, now Keith Olberman...

The Clintons are clearly defined as a Catch & Release Couple.

[Nimrod2005]

2. Last week it was Tweetie ro you people? Grow up

[melody]

3. Keith has done no such thing ... he has been exceedingly fair

He has been very careful about citing facts and circumstances. I have an Obama supporter friend who thinks KO supports Clinton, I have an Edwards supporter friend who swears he's shilling for Obama. What it comes down to is he's being fair.

[EFerrari]

4. I heard her. She did confine her statement to one sentence

in a speech about moving on to Florida and other states. It wasn't a concession speech. Typically, the candidate would give that kind of a speech to their troops after the results are known. Clinton wasn't with her volunteers in SC. It would have been a bad a idea to go to the next state and give a concession speech there.

[Jai4WKC08]

9. She didn't go to Florida

She went to Tennessee. I think you know that, but you also know they have promised not to campaign in FL (even tho Obama is doing so), so you mention that one.

And at least she conceded. Obama ran out of NV without a word, not even from Chicago when he got there. And if you want to spin it that he didn't lose in NV, consider that he didn't bother to thank the people there either.

[EFerrari]

12. You're right. She went to TN but in her speech, she brought up

other states. Maybe GA?

I was pointing out that it would be silly to give a speech conceding defeat to an audience full of people whom you are asking to support you. It wouldn't make sense to do that. "I just lost, vote for me" is not a message you want people to take home, is it?

[Egnever]

47. Sure she did

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4234728&mesg_id=4234728

[Jai4WKC08]

51. Not when that was written n/t

[bicentennial_baby]

48. She's there now

Landed in Sarasota this afternoon.

[Jai4WKC08]

52. But she hadn't when I originally posted. n/t

[Kittycat]

64. Did she vote today?

[grantcart]

69. where she was shocked shocked to find out that they have

an election scheduled tomorrow

[Maribelle]

14. If you would, please point out how Hillary's speech differed from Obama's NH speech?

This beauty in the eyes of the beholder crap is reminding me too much of 2000; but sadly this time it comes from democrats.

[EFerrari]

16. I was pointing out that it would be stupid to give a speech about LOSING

to an audience that hasn't voted YET and that you hope will VOTE FOR YOU.

How you construe that as an attack on your candidate, I don't know.


lol

[Maribelle]

18. Sorry. I must have misunderstood your point.

But she did give a concession that closely resembled Obama's in NH.

[EFerrari]

20. They should both be doing better, I think.

It's disrespectful to the foot soldiers who got out there and worked. I liked that John talked to his people after the contest. They're under a lot of pressure and are likely tired and all of that, but that's the job.

[Maribelle]

36. I agree with you that John did an excellent job talking to his people.

I worked extremely hard for John and Kerry in 2004 - - in the get out the vote campaign - - going door to door in low income neighborhoods, mostly Hispanic and bi-racial.

[crispini]

5. She didn't give a concession speech.

Get your facts right before you smear KO.

[Maribelle]

15. As in my previous request upthread, could you tell us the difference from the NH concession of Obama

Free thinkers are interested in this.

[crispini]

24. Well, I have to admit I wasn't paying that much attention to the NH speeches.

But didn't Obama give that speech actually *in* NH? So, although it was upbeat, it would be considered a 'concession' speech. Hillary did not give a speech *in* SC. She continued to her next campaign stop and effectively gave a "kick-off" speech of the next part of the campaign.

To a national watcher, it may not seem apparent -- after all, she's on my TV from either SC or where-ever she went to, TN? -- but to the state level volunteers, i.e. the people on the ground in SC, I'm sure it came off as "no concession speech." She's breaking an established political convention here. Interesting.

[Maribelle]

31. So, you now admint she did give a concession speech?

And now your complaint is where she gave it?

Thanks for the clarification.

[crispini]

32. Eh, let us not bandy semantics.

She gave a speech, but I still wouldn't call it a "concession" speech.

[Maribelle]

34. lol OK - I'll leave the ownership of semantics up to you.

twist all you want

[crispini]

37. FYI, I have (probably completely un-necessarily) started my own OP on this.

:)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4228109

[fightthegoodfightnow]

6. HER STATEMENT: I'm Running Out of Town

D-Day is coming. I think the next round of primaries is going to determine our nominee. HC has put her eggs in that basket. She'll know soon enough as we will.

[flpoljunkie]

7. South Carolina's largest newspaper The State's view on this...

New York U.S. Sen. Clinton tried to put the loss quickly behind her. Clinton, who jetted off to campaign in Tennessee, issued a written statement and did not greet supporters gathered at a Vista nightclub. In Nashville, she delivered her stump speech rather than a traditional concession speech.

http://www.thestate.com/presidential-politics/story/298201.html

[flordehinojos]

8. yes, i too stopped watching keith olberman the night he and rachel maddow began beating on hillary.

there is a conspiracy in the mainstream media to beat on her and to drown out her words. they want to spin it all. spin obama into a stardom he does not have. a perfection he does not have. an adulthood which, other than an adult body to speak for adulthood, he does not have, and they want to beat hillary to a pulp.

i donn't get what is behind it all. is it greed? is it that the clintons may come closest to experience, truth, and a real know how of how to run the country? i think people are afraid of hillary's experience, know how, decency and that they (the media) want to continue the charade of integrity they began under bush.

i've read many a media mea-culpas about how they were not truthful covering the bush/gore campaigns.
i'll look forward to many more mea-culpas after they sit obama in the oval office and find that he has not the fiber they are purporting him to have.

i will say for joan walsh of salon magazine that she admitted on national television yesterday, during morning joe, that the media has unfairly smeared the clintons with starting the race card thing this primary ... of course, the morning joe people discounted what joan walsh was saying and tried to change the subject: both mika and david shuster did. i think scar-brawl-orough was not around in front of the camera at the time.

[mwb970]

21. *Every* candidate seems to have conspiracies against them this time.

there is a conspiracy in the mainstream media to beat on her and to drown out her words.

Besides the anti-Hillary media conspiracy, we have also heard about the media conspiracy to not cover Edwards and of course Bill & Hillary are conspiring to smear Obama. And that's just on the Democratic side!

As far as I can tell, large numbers of Republicans despise each of their candidates, and large numbers of Democrats despise each of their candidates. Should we just skip the election then? Apparently nobody can win.

[Danger Mouse]

35. it's ridiculous, isn't it?

[calico1]

10. I still like Keith but don't watch him nearly as much

as I used to. While I think he is much fairer than some of the other media, he sometimes jumps to conclusions before having all the facts. I have found this to be true on several occasions. Everyone has a personal opinion and I guess he does better than most in not letting it color his reporting but sometimes that gets away from him.

[lligrd]

11. You Mean His Blatant Smearing Of The Establishment

that got us into this mess? I say, "Go, Keith go! Keep speaking the truth!"

[harun]

13. I'm with you, GO KEITH (n/t)

[VotesForWomen]

67. well, obama will be part of the establishment soon enough. nt

[Maribelle]

17. Please do take heart in all of this. You and I as well as millions and millions of others know ...

MSM will turn on whomever the democratic nominee turns out to be. This love fest with Obama and his George W. Bush-like inspiration will sink in quick sand. Ask Gore. Ask Kerry. It is recorded in history.

[THUNDER HANDS]

19. George W. Bush-like inspiration?

Wha?

[MH1]

23. Heh, I hope they're willing to share what they're smokin'

[Maribelle]

33. In 2000, the MSM fell all over W because he was so inspirational.

The MSM pomp that Bush was a leader who inspires the best in others started in 1999 and ran throughout 2000. We all know where this Bush-inspirational stuff went.

Today, MSM is doing the same thing with Obama. For example in the Philadelphia Inquiries endorsement of Obama: Obama inspires people to action. And too many others.

Please forgive me for feeling this George W. Bush-inspiration type of MSM fawning scares the be-jabbers out of me ... for I know all too well that this time around it will prove to be even more disingenuous when MSM starts supporting the Republican nominee.

[Blue_State_Elitist]

56. That is true.

[NoBorders]

65. When I complain about Krugman criticizing Obama

People ask me if I have considered the possibility that perhaps Krugman is just laying out an honest, rational argument that simply happens to disagree with my kool-aid induced fawning of Obama.

Just sayin.

[Ian David]

22. Ms. 547 posts is trashing Keith on DU? Really? n/t

[GalleryGod]

30. only took her 7 years to "find" DU HMMmmmm?

[rodeodance]

25. send him an email with your concerns

[matcom]

26. he has been right for years and now because you don't like it he is wrong?

:shrug:

do you realise how stupid you look?

[GalleryGod]

27. Ex-act-ly.

[Maribelle]

39. I love KO. He's "knocked my socks off" and "left me breathless" many time. But ....

he has been wrong quite a few times, speaking out before all the facts were in, and the like.

I have emailed him in the past, sent him links to correct information, and tried to straighten out his evil ways (kidding) without turning him on my knee.

Last night he needed a good spanking. But then we truly cannot expect perfection out of anyone, now can we?

[matcom]

41. or maybe, just maybe he is 100% correct on this one?

[ShortnFiery]

28. It's is NOT undeserved. More disquieting is Pat Buchanan's steadfast support for The Atwater type

"Southern Strategy" that "Big Dawg" has been sporting over the last week. You know? The one that blew up in The Clintonian DLC's faces so damn BIG that they had to spirit The Clintons out of the state ... "and take your white privilege horse with you!!!"

The RNC's Noise Machine, as well as their young sibling wannabe, The Hillary Clintonian DLC Attack Machine, have been revealed. Toto pulled back the curtain to reveal "Bubba's" big ass is shamelessly involved in "wink winking" the Southern Strategy in SC.

The Clintons have always feigned empathy to the African American Community but actually have DONE NOTHING FOR CIVIL RIGHTS. But hell, compared to the kool-aid drinking republicans we thought they were BETTER. No, The Clintons would do anything to win, to include trashing our party RATHER than truly caring about America.

To Bill Clinton, it's ALL ABOUT his beloved Clintonian DLC and *making* his wife BOSS.

"Why is that little Black man tainting my May Ella?!?!" :puke:

[H2O Man]

29. Gosh!

[Danger Mouse]

38. Aww, boo hoo. The second KO says something you don't like to hear, suddenly you don't like him.

I think he's doing a fine job.
But it's okay. There there. You and your little Hillary Club Pals can keep whining about the vast media conspiracy against Clinton.

[Maribelle]

40. Perhaps you need to talk with Gore or Kerry if you think the MSM is only against Clinton.

They would not be giving you baby talk.

[Danger Mouse]

43. In case you've forgotten, Kerry endorsed Obama.

Maybe he's part of the vast conspiracy as well?
When the convention is over, whoever our nominee is, the media smear machine will be in full blast going after whoever we nominate.
Right now, they're playing pat-a-cake, they're being so gentle.

[Maribelle]

44. Changing the subject does not negate the point I made.

amen

[Danger Mouse]

45. Yeah, I'm sure there are plenty of people in the media who are out to get Clinton...

and all of the dems, for that matter.
keith is his own man, with his own opinions.

[Medusa]

42. I thought Keith was the great truth teller?

Was it that he's now smearing Hillary because he's telling the truth about her? Really, if Hillary could find it within her to be more gracious and her fans accept her defeat, you wouldn't be looking for needles in haystacks and trying to accuse someone of bias because they tell the truth about YOUR candidate.

[fadedrose]

46. Let's get this straight

You respected KO because he was fearless in giving information and facts no matter what. Then he gives information and facts no matter what about the Clintons and you say he crossed the line.

Was he lying about the information and facts no matter what that you respected him for or did he just start lying now?

Puzzled.

[Medusa]

50. It doesn't bode well for poor Keith now does it?

He's pissing off just about every campaign, no wonder he's blogging at Kos! I guess he's like the bad boyfriend who says, "Wait, I can explain. . . . . . "

[Quixote1818]

49. You need to take off those rose colored glasses and see all the shit Bill and Hillary are pulling

Why do you think the Kennedy's are getting involved? They feel they need to stop the Clinton's from tarring the Democratic party apart.

[Medusa]

53. You finally realize that Keith is as shrewd and caluclating as say

certain politicans? Congratulations. He was all aboard the Clinton train when polls showed her ahead. Now that Obama is breaking out, gee whiz, he's changing his tune. He is just like a certain candidate I know-shapes their reactions to whatever the polls and the focus groups say they should be talking about. He's MSM people. Don't make the mistake of trusting him.

[redqueen]

54. This is frickin hilarious.

Poor Keith has been ragged on by Obama's supporters for being biased in favor of Clinton... by Clinton's supporters of being biased towards Obama... and... well honestly I've only seen an Edwards supporter post a thread wondering if he would mention something... so that's not the same as the foot-stomping and whining and such.

Honestly. :eyes:

[Hieronymus]

55. Funny, I've heard others say that Keith was a big promoter or Hillary...

Keith tells the truth, whether you like it or not.

[ErnestoG]

57. Keith knows what the score is. You cannot hate him for that.

So you're all for him as he's (correctly) bashing Bush....but you want to toss him under the bus when he doesn't come out four square for Hillary Clinton.

Wow. And they call us Obama supporters "cultists".

[Capn Sunshine]

58. Yeah, he's gone really low road

This obsession with fairness and truth is just too much.

[robbedvoter]

59. He's been pushing the envelope of my respect too. I avoid him now

because I don't want to get to hate him. Same with Randi & et al at AAR. Blackout till the nomination. But what they do is wrong.

[rodeodance]

60. I have been a little ticked with KO also lately. Don't watch him as much as I used to.

[FrenchieCat]

61. That's what happens when one supports a divisive candidate......

at the end of the day, there will be very few left for you to hate anew...because you will consumed by your hate of everything that has stood for good.

You have a problem, and your continuing support for Hillary Clinton is the cause, not the solution. You will be left behind, hate and all! I'm sorry for you.

[LittleClarkie]

62. It's amazing how many people we question the integrity of when they disagree with us

Some really good Dems so far, respected people, are suddenly liars and smear boaters if they speak against the candidate we support.

Feingold
Kerry
Carolyn and Teddy Kennedy
KO
Bill Clinton

[jillan]

63. I am not even a Hillary supporter - and I agree.

[VotesForWomen]

66. i've thought he had a little bit of a woman problem for a long time. frankly, having a woman

problem seems to be almost a requirement in his line of work, and talk radio, etc.

[zulchzulu]

68. I thought he was shilling for Bill and Hill before this thrill

Oh well...

[_Wayne_]

70. Nobody's perfect, but it is certainly disappointing

Hillary rage is a disease, created by a small group of people and make public by AM radio, many people believe the shit stew of lies and psychotic hate that filled media circles since 1992. Even people like Olbermann are affected.