Delegate Scorecard as of January 26, 2008

[BeatleBoot]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#val=D


Clinton: 230

Obama: 152

Edwards: 61


Total Required: 2,025

[Sarah Ibarruri]

1. We have a long long way to go! Thought we were further along. nt

[NastyRiffraff]

2. Absolutely. This won't be decided quickly, and I'm glad

We put our candidates through the fire, preparing them for the big battle. The way this race has gone so far, anything can happen.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

4. Yep. It's so long-winded! Kinda like walking a mile while people are beating you up with sticks

LOL! Damn!

[gateley]

3. Does the first person to get 2,025 become the nom? Thanks. nt

[Clintonista2]

11. 1,013 gets you the nom

[Konza]

13. A total of 4,049 delegates are chosen

with the winning candidate needing a simple majority, or 2,025.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29_presidential_primaries%2C_2008

[gateley]

14. Thanks. I get it now.

:blush:

[Konza]

15. No problem! there's also..

a cool link on the bottom that page that keeps the most up to date polls, it's under opinion polling.
Not that polls mean anything, but it is fun to play out! ;)

[Clintonista2]

18. Oops sorry, I thought that 2025 was the TOTAL number of delegates out there

But someone else said that there are over 4000. As they said, you need a simple majority. If nobody has a majority of the delegates, then it becomes a "brokered convention" (Where John Edwards would have to throw his delegates to either Obama or Clinton).

[FrenchieCat]

5. That's adding in the superdelegates......

when you take them out, Obama is ahead....in "earned" delegates, i.e., American people and not political insiders.

[Tulkas]

6. SUPER DELEGATES DON'T COUNT (yet)

Damn Clinton Supporters!!!!

Can't do anything without twisting it!!!


First of all you don't know for sure exactly how many super delegates she has. Three different news agencies have three different counts. Her advantage there could be a few as 55 or as many as 100 depending on which numbers you use.


Most Importantly... SUPER DELEGATES ARE NOT COMMITTED TO VOTE FOR ANYONE !!! They can say now that they will vote for someone and then change their mind at the convention. Unlike elected delegates which must reflect the choices the voters made, on the first ballot at least. You are simply taking a politician's word, we know what that is worth. Especially the ones in the Clinton camp.


Also. out of almost 700 Super delegates fewer than 1/4 have given any indication that they will support the establishment candidate... Hillary. This clearly indicates that most of them are holding out to support either Edwards or Obama, depending on which anti-establishment candidate emerges as the most viable.

[BeatleBoot]

7. I'm supporting the guy at the bottom of the list

And as far as your super delegate argument - go talk to CNN.

They got a bunch of footnotes for you to read.

[Tulkas]

9. Super delegates are not committed in any way, you can't count them yet

I don't give a F___ what CNN has posted.

Democratic super delegates can carry a candidate into the convention on his shoulders like a conquering hero and then vote for someone else. They are not bound in any way to anyone until they vote. (although they tend to vote the way their state votes)

[BeatleBoot]

10. What's with all of the Obama Vitriol ?

It's just CNN for godsakes.

Get a friggin' life.

Honestly, WTF? :wtf:

How's this: I don't give a F___ what you say about what CNN posted.

Get over yourself and lay off the Kool-Aid, man.

The record is old and its skipping.

[Joe the Revelator]

17. You're the one posting the bad information

If you're going to post it, don't be pissed when people call you on the bullshit.

[BeatleBoot]

19. What Bullshit? It's from CNN for Godssakes

Is that now a "rogue news network"

And who's "calling me on bullshit"?

I just posted numbers from CNN's site.



:wtf:

You people are fuckin' nuts.

:wtf:

[Joe the Revelator]

21. Any numbers, MSM source or not, that include super delegates, are bullshit

pretty simple concept.

[BeatleBoot]

25. Why?

because you don't like the way it looks?

Those votes historically tend to go the way they report them. The trend is there and they don't stray too far to make any significant difference.

Or have we embarked on a magical time, where they may not?

[Occam Bandage]

28. Rather because superdelegates are uncommitted, and generally vote with the majority of delegates.

[BeatleBoot]

29. So what you're saying is

that Hillary's numbers might turn out to be even higher.

I can agree with that.

[Occam Bandage]

30. She'd have to change her luck first. Unless I'm misremembering,

there hasn't yet been a state where she won more committed delegates than Obama did.

[BeatleBoot]

35. I wouldn't be measuring the White House Drapes yet if I were BHO

They've only been playing with Velvet Gloves up until now.

Fasten your seatbelt - Feb 5th is right around the corner.

[Joe the Revelator]

32. Ask Howard Dean how super delegates work out

They can change their vote at anytime, so whats the use of counting them?

And what "historical" data are you looking at that shows that Superdelegates don't change their votes? Please share it with the rest of us.

[Snarkoleptic]

8. Edwards is picking up steam at the expense of Clinton.

The fact that JE has no tabs to settle with lobbyists is a huge plus for honest governance.

[oasis]

12. K and R. Let the truth be told.

[sandnsea]

16. Those aren't elected delegates

They've got nothing to do with anything and most of them WILL change at the convention.

[FrenchieCat]

20. Here's the delegate scorecard......

You are counting the Sups.


Delegate Count
State Date Delegates Clinton Obama Edwards
Total - - 246 173 52

Super Delegates - 463 201 116 32

Iowa 01/03 57 15 16 14

New Hampshire 01/08 30 9 9 4

Michigan 01/15 0 * - - -

Nevada 01/19 33 12 13 -

South Carolina 01/26 54 9 19 2

2,025 Delegates Needed to Win (Delegate Counts Come From AP, Wash Post, ABC News & RCP)



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/delegate_counts.html

[Egnever]

22. that layout is very confusing Frenchie

At first glance it apears as though hillary has 246 delegates compared to Obamas 173. Isnt Obama leading in elected delegates?

[FrenchieCat]

37. Remove the super delegate row, and the obama is ahead.....

A technicality. There are many in congress that are going to start endorsing Obama. He's shown himself to be good as gold. The man knows how to bring the voters on board. Those who think that this is a "coincidence" are out of their minds. That is Obama's ground organization we see out there. That's what's making the difference. Democrats better start understanding that. We could actually win in a landslide come November with Barack!

[BeatleBoot]

24. And at that website, here are the delegate counts with Super-Delegates

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/delegate_counts.html


Clinton: 246

Obama: 173

Edwards: 52



Note that RealclearPolitics shows Clinton on top by 73 delegates and CNN shows Clinton on top by 78 delegates.

And, yes, Obama supporters, that includes Super Delegates.

Last time I checked, their votes counted, too. And while its still "up in the air" (according to some), where those votes will go, one sees a trend.

[Occam Bandage]

23. Those numbers are bullshit. Superdelegates can change on a whim.

[BeatleBoot]

26. So go take it up with CNN and Realclearpolitics

I'm sorry, you no likey.

[Occam Bandage]

27. I don't have a problem with them providing those numbers; they're interesting enough. But

the only numbers that matter are the committed delegates, which they *also* provide.

[Tweed]

33. And provide on the main POLITICS page

Not some backroom website, makes sense that Hillary leads there

[Tweed]

31. Well CNN also has this page too:

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/

Scroll down and you'll see Obama is 63-48-26

If you want to add Superdelegates who can change at the drop of a hat, that's fine. Of course Clinton is going to have the support of the political insiders.

[BringBigDogBack]

34. I don't mind either number....

bur for now, the only one that matters are pledged delegates. SuperD's will change their minds before the convention.

[FlyingSquirrel]

36. Here's the website I trust the most when it comes to Delegate Totals

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/

Pledged delegates: Clinton 48, Obama 63, Edwards 26

UNPLEDGED "superdelegates": Clinton 182, Obama 86, Edwards 28

Total delegates: Clinton 230, Obama 149, Edwards 54

[oasis]

38. kick