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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:53 PM
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All of our candidates would be good presidents. Black and female candidates = electability issues.
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 12:07 AM by Proud2BAmurkin
If anybody wants to argue the fact that race or gender will play a role in how a presidential general election would play out, then you shouldn't join this discussion because that's like saying the world is flat especially after the numbers you saw tonight.

I don't see much difference between these candidates so my focus is electability. The black candidate and the female candidate have potential problems when it comes to electability which I have been called racist and sexist for being realistic about.

There aren't that many black or female candidates who could win a general election in America. We have two that are possibilities depending on who the other side nominates.

So far the numbers in NH and SC show me a couple of things

One, the gender disadvantage can turn into an advantage or a draw because there are the same number of male and females in the country. The extra motivation of female voters along with the crap GOP field tells me that more men will probably vote Republican but much more females will vote Democrat.

The racial division isn't 50-50.

I think it would be better to elect a black candidate than a female candidate just for that fact alone. It's a harder thing to do and if that racial difference was to be overcome that would be great for the country.

But the reason it's a harder thing to do is because if there is a division it WON'T be a draw.

The numbers in SC tell a story here.

There is a division. Face that fact and figure out what it means for the general election.





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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:59 PM
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1. what this tells me
is that anything can happen. The young voters are turning out in droves and they are what's turning this around. And that is a good thing. We are no longer in 1993.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:59 PM
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2. Depending on young voters to make up for a huge racial divide is risky business
too risky for my blood
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:36 AM
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9. how old are you?
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:05 AM
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3. kick
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:06 AM
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4. While there is some electability issues for both
I have heard for my red family members that although they aren't too happy with the current GOP field, their utter hatred (unfair or not) of Hillary will motivate them to go to the polls, if for no other reason than to vote against a Clinton. Myself, I just want to see a Dem in the White House, and supermajorities in both houses of Congress, and think that just maybe, the even if Hillary wins it all, could also affect many house and senate races. Of course, it's just a humble opinion gleemed from various discussions with friends and family, so take it for what it's worth.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:14 AM
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5. While I agree that we need to face reality that gender and race will play a roll
it is NOT reality to assume that voters vote their race and so the difference in numbers of black to whites means the race issue is the larger handicap.

Just plain silly.

I am female and white. I would vote for Obama over Clinton if it were just those two running.

I am legion.

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jb802 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:17 AM
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6. Electibility
Don't focus on the popular vote. First, there are more women than men in the US. Check the cencus. Second, women hate Hillary and love Obama. Third, Obama is the only candidate who can carry the South. Not doing that is the reason we always lose in the general election. It's all about electoral votes. Get used to it !!

JB
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:18 AM
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7. there's so much inaccurate in that post I don't know where to start
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:25 AM
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8. As a woman who really is not fond of HRC, I beg you, give it a try
Go ahead. You claim the post has much inaccuracy. Stop just smearing and put some fact in your act.

Oh, you can't. Because the poster posted truth.
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