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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:41 PM
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Obama can win the majority of Super Tuesday delegates if Edwards drops out
Edwards will then get a job in Obama's administration if he is elected.

If Edwards stays in the race, it really hurts Obama and helps Hillary. Edwards should consider withdrawing from the race... he barely got 20% in his home state. Withdrawing from the race, endorsing Obama, and getting a guarenteed spot in Obama's administration will help his political career. After 4 or 8 years of an Obama administration, he can run for president again.

Edwards supporters aren't going to like to hear it, but Edwards has no chance and every day he stays in the race is a day where it hurts Obama because Obama's message is the most similar to Edwards. I admire him, he's a great man, but he needs to come to the realization his campaign isn't going anywhere. Like Dean did in 2004.

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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:43 PM
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1. you show me where obama is going to win a majority of
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 10:43 PM by BenDavid
the 2/5 delegates?I give obama illinois and ala. and maybe 1 to 2 more but HRC will win way more states then obama with edwards or without edwards in the race.....
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:45 PM
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5. Here are the states I think he could win if Edwards drops out
Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, New Jersey, Tennessee

Possibly more. He could make a few states close too. With proportional delegates, it doesn't matter if he wins or loses, as long as it is close.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:02 PM
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15. the current Poll data doesn't bear out your hypothesis
Alabama, Arkansas and New Jersey all currently show strong -- way outside any margin of error -- Hillary leads. Georgia has Obama seven points ahead while Idaho has him two points ahead. She leads Barack by 14 points in Tennessee and Arizona by ten.


And, yes, poll numbers can change, but Barack would have to make huge inroads into voting groups that have generally gone for Hillary and with which he currently polls low in. There's no reason to believe these Edwards supporters -- if he were to drop out which he won't do -- will move en masse to the Obama Camp. If anything, some would go to Hillary and some would go to Obama and others would remain undecided until they're in the voting booth or choose just not to vote.

In any case, Barack has a lot of work to do in the next ten days.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:44 PM
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36. I don't think he takes Joisey. n/t
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:43 PM
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2. I hope he stays in and brokers the convention. nt
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:46 PM
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For what? The V.P. spot?
Why not just do it now?
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:49 PM
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9. A brokered convention could actually land him the nomination.
Or, even one of the other candidates, like Biden or Dodd or Richardson.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:51 PM
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10. Not with so few delegates, it won't.
It's the two delegate leaders who will be trying to sweep up the rest.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:56 PM
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13. Ever read the history of brokered conventions?
Darkhorses have been known to win.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:46 PM
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7. For what? The V.P. spot?
Why not just do it now?
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:44 PM
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3. Edwards has said repeatedly that he will not drop out before the convention.
Talk to him. Not us.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:44 PM
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4. Edwards won't drop out.
Those of us on the real left need a candidate, at least up until super Tuesday. He knows that. If he drops out then it looks like deals have been brokered and we, the unwashed masses, never had a choice. I hope Obama and Clinton realize that we need a choice. Because if I don't have a choice, then Ralph Nader is gonna start looking really good.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:02 PM
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16. BS.
Nader will never look good to anyone but himself and the Republicans.

History tells you that.

So the question begs.....are you Ralph in disguise or a Freeptard?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:09 PM
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19. No I'm not a freeptard, nor a lover of Nader.
I'm sort of making a point though. I think once you take peoples'choices away from them, they will react in destructive ways; like vote for any third party candidate (against their best interests), write in a candidate (again against their best interest), or just not vote (definitely against their own interests). Sorry, it happens.
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:45 PM
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6. I don't agree at all. Edwards helps Obama and all of us.
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:48 PM
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8. Right away with the quid pro quo?
Ewww ... need to shower now.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:55 PM
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11. Good, I want it to hurt Obama and his supporters
I wouldn't support or vote for the gas bag if he was the last dem standing.

zalinda
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pauldg0 Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:56 PM
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12. What a laugh.....
...Edwards is going to take it all the way...........After all we saw how both Obama and Hillary just keep bungling debates. We wouldn't like either of them in the white house.

Edwards is going to be the spoiler in the Democratic National Conventions. Watch out.
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durtee librul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:07 PM
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18. The thing that bothered me the most about the debate was
the both of them lost their tempers and reacted to stupid statments. That, in my humble opinion was not very 'leaderlike' and I sure as heck don't want someone in the WH whose buttons are that easy to push when they are backed into a corner by someone trying to get their goat. We already have a clown like that in the WH, we sure as hell don't need another one.

As far as Edwards staying in, I hope he does. His message has always been the same and if any of you care to remember or even do some research, this Hope and Change 'stuff' of Obama's ain't new and neither are any of both HRC's and BO's ideas. OLD NEWS to us Edwards supporters......HRC and BO just plagiarized JRE's ideas. Period.
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pauldg0 Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:38 PM
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22. your absolutely right!!!
Even if Edwards does not get the nomination he certainly will have driven his point to the max if he goes all the way to the convention. If he has enough delegates, conceivably he could get the nomination if both Obama and Hillary are considered absolutely not qualified and some event comes up later that change public opinion dramatically.

If he is not nominated at all at least as the kingmaker he will have awakened America!!! If the nominee does not get elected, then of course, this would make Edwards a shining light.

Personally, I have jumped over to the democaratic side because I am fed up with republican ideals. I was a Engineer in Detroit, and have not worked in six years. I certainly will not want either of those candidates on a ticket to vote for.....I don't like either of them....as John says they are corporate democrats and I agree.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:58 PM
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14. Well, too bad. He's not dropping out. Obama's message is NOT like Edwards'!!!!!!!
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HuskiesHowls Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:06 PM
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17. Without Edwards to get the message out there
Hillary and Obama wouldn't have much to say. All the candidates, Democratic and Republican, are picking up on what John Edwards has to say, and are then copying him.
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Omega3 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:11 PM
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20. what the MSM isn't telling you is
that he's far behind HC in most every state, the only states he's won so far are red IA and SC and the only states (besides IL) he's ahead in won't go Blue in the GE so it's really a moot point. HC is way ahead in all the big states.

Take a look at the delegate totals after ST and tell me what you think about his chances. It won't be pretty to the Obamabots.

PS, I'm not a HC supporter.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:15 PM
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21. WHY is it that Obama supporters just assume that Edwards supporters will go to Obama?
And I beg to differ that their message is similar.

I'm supporting Edwards through the convention. If his presence happens to hurt Obama, then so be it.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:52 PM
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23. Obama can win even more of the Superdelegates if Hillary drops out
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 09:53 PM by sfam
Too bad that won't happen, ey? Same thing with Edwards. Obama has to figure out how to win with the current composition of candidates. Unless Edwards gets pounded into oblivion, he isn't leaving.

And no, its not clear to me that Obama gets the bulk of the Edwards vote. He might (I hope he would), but its not really clear.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:53 PM
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24. EDWARDS SUPPORTERS GO TO HILLARY MANY POLLS SHOW.
therefore he should stay in. : )
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:01 PM
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25. Well if it hurts Obama, it simply must stop. JE, how DARE you not put Obama's best interest above
your own message, your own calling???

Here, drink this and reconsider...






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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:20 PM
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30. I'll pass I don't want any of that Kool Aid.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:01 PM
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26. He already said he's in it to the end
Obama has to earn it on his own.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:02 PM
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27. If it hurts Obama I'll give MORE
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 10:03 PM by BlackVelvet04
to Edwards so he stays in. How's that work for ya?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:03 PM
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28. My Aunt Ethel can win the election if everyone else drops out.
What's your point?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:18 PM
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29. I was going to do that myself! Your aunt Ethel better drop out right now. I call dibbs!
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 10:19 PM by robbedvoter
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:30 PM
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32. OK, but only if my Aunt Louise can be her running mate! n/t
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:38 PM
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34. I"m making Ethel my VP, Louise - AG. How's that? I'll go call Novak righ away
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:29 PM
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31. Why should he conspire to help Obama? You never say?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:34 PM
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33. Edwardians: never forget it was Obama's cronies on the internet who swiftboated Edwards
Obama's official campaign joined in in Iowa and then Obama himself did in New Hampshire. Never forget it is Obama's internet cronies who are demanding Edwards quit, not Hillary supporters. The latter have shown Edwards proper respect.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:43 PM
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35. You really don't GET it do you?
Edwards should not and will not stay in or leave this race based on whether it "hurts Obama" or not.

First of all, YOU DON'T GET TO DECIDE what Edwards does. That's HIS decision and his alone.

Secondly, Edwards in IN THIS RACE for one reason and one reason only - TO GIVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NONE in this country and in this country's government - A VOICE in this race.

It's not ABOUT Obama.

It's not ABOUT YOU.

Get over it and grok a clue.

You AND Obama might want to see a therapist about your narcissim and self-centered world view.
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