Hillary refusing to give a concession speech? Is that a first?

[Occam Bandage]

[MonkeyFunk]

1. She is giving one

do you have a link to Obama's concession speech in NV?

[Occam Bandage]

5. She's just giving her standard stump in TN.

[MonkeyFunk]

7. You've become as bad

as every other jerk on this board. It's a shame.

[Occam Bandage]

9. I think perhaps your viewpoint has become slightly skewed.

Everyone gets upset when their candidate fails to meet expectations.

[MonkeyFunk]

19. How are you seeing her standard stump speech?

I'm watching CNN, and she hasn't started speaking yet.

Your OP is a lie, and a stupid one.

She IS giving a concession speech, and Obama failed to give on in NV, so acting like - even if your lie were true - it's unprecedented is just dickish.

[Occam Bandage]

20. I'm just going by what MSNBC was reporting. They said that Sen. Clinton

is not giving a concession speech, but will be giving her standard stump speech in TN. It wasn't a lie, and the fact that you leap to those kinds of conclusions is why I said that perhaps your viewpoint is a bit distorted. Things are getting rough in here.

[MonkeyFunk]

23. I don't know why you're behaving this way

nor do I care. It's dickish, whatever your motives.

[havocmom]

22. Damn, THAT's funny

coming from where it did

[MonkeyFunk]

24. You won't find ONE lie or cheap smear I've ever posted against

another candidate. None. Nada. Zip.

[havocmom]

32. Beauty is in eye of beholder

Sadly, lots of attacks on critics of certain candidates noticed

[MonkeyFunk]

35. Then go find an example

go ahead.

Or are you gonna be like another poster who insisted I was one of the worst Obama-bashers here, and when challenged, couldn't find ONE example? She wouldn't apologize either for her smear.

Go ahead - find one.

[MonkeyFunk]

37. thought so

[Occam Bandage]

27. MF is impeccable.

[stillcool]

12. this might help..

UPDATE 7:12 p.m.: AP and NBC have now changed their delegate counts to 13 for Obama and 12 for Clinton.

***********

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) won today's raw vote in Nevada but senior aides to Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) believe they have narrowly won the fight for delegates in the Silver State.

In a just completed conference call with Obama campaign manager David Plouffe and director of delegate selection Jeff Berman argued that the Illinois Senator will leave Nevada today with 13 pledged delegates to 12 for Clinton thanks the weighting of northern and rural areas in the state.

An Associated Press official on the call suggested that Obama's campaign may well be right and the organization was looking seriously at its own math.

While the process of delegate apportionment is extremely complicated, it boils down to this: in the places that Clinton won, there were an even number of delegates that were split between she and Obama. In the places Obama won, there were an odd number of delegates, meaning that he often took two delegates to one for Clinton.

"On one very important measure, we had a slight lead," said Plouffe. "Just as important as the number is why that is: we showed real strength statewide."

Plouffe demurred when asked whether if Obama turned out to have won the delegate count, he should be declared the victor in Nevada.

For her part, Clinton sought to downplay the dispute over delegates.

"This is about delegates but it's also about what people are voting for and who they think the best president would be," Clinton said in Las Vegas. "Find it somewhat strange that there is such a reaction when this was a very effective campaign to reach as many people as possible and we did and I am very proud of that."
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/01/clinton_won_or_did_she.html

[wndycty]

2. 40 minute stump? Will they carry the whole thing then?

:kick:

[cboy4]

3. They're saying she's going to speak in Nashville.

Fuck

[Proud2BAmurkin]

4. It would be a first since Obama lost Nevada but she's going to do one

[Occam Bandage]

6. Really?

[eleny]

8. Keith said she provided a statement but no concession in it

:shrug: I think that's what I heard.

[Freida5]

10. Keith and MSNBC have been campaigning for Obama all week. Must help their ratings.

[eleny]

25. She did acknowledge Obama's win just now

Good for her. It couldn't have been easy but she did it and now moves on.

[Marie26]

28. No, the statement concedes

& congratulates Obama on his victory. She also congratulated Obama (briefly!) in her speech just now. Just going to say this once, it annoys me that Keith & co. kept talking about how it was so unprecendented that she wouldn't give a concession speech, that it showed no shame, no grace etc. And then she did concede in her speech & the statement. And no one even mentioned that Obama never gave a concession speech, or even a statement in Nevada; he didn't thank his NV volunteers, nothing. Just flew out of NV in a snit. And yeah, whatever technicalities about delegates, it would be good grace to concede that Hillary won the popular vote. He could've pointed out the extra delegate in the speech too - but anything's better than no speech at all.

[bellasgrams]

36. This is a good example of who the best person is. All he

can do is attack. He does not come across as a good person.

[stray cat]

11. Giving her 40 minutes stump speech w/o questions. I'm going to bed...

[Evergreen Emerald]

13. didn't Obama say he won in Nevada?

Double standard.

[Occam Bandage]

16. He chose to spin a delegate victory.

[tammywammy]

17. He did get more delegates

:shrug:

[stillcool]

18. wow..nobody reads anymore

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/01/clinton_won_or_did_she.html

UPDATE 7:12 p.m.: AP and NBC have now changed their delegate counts to 13 for Obama and 12 for Clinton.

***********

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) won today's raw vote in Nevada but senior aides to Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) believe they have narrowly won the fight for delegates in the Silver State.

In a just completed conference call with Obama campaign manager David Plouffe and director of delegate selection Jeff Berman argued that the Illinois Senator will leave Nevada today with 13 pledged delegates to 12 for Clinton thanks the weighting of northern and rural areas in the state.

An Associated Press official on the call suggested that Obama's campaign may well be right and the organization was looking seriously at its own math.

While the process of delegate apportionment is extremely complicated, it boils down to this: in the places that Clinton won, there were an even number of delegates that were split between she and Obama. In the places Obama won, there were an odd number of delegates, meaning that he often took two delegates to one for Clinton.

"On one very important measure, we had a slight lead," said Plouffe. "Just as important as the number is why that is: we showed real strength statewide."

Plouffe demurred when asked whether if Obama turned out to have won the delegate count, he should be declared the victor in Nevada.

For her part, Clinton sought to downplay the dispute over delegates.

"This is about delegates but it's also about what people are voting for and who they think the best president would be," Clinton said in Las Vegas. "Find it somewhat strange that there is such a reaction when this was a very effective campaign to reach as many people as possible and we did and I am very proud of that."

[ccpup]

14. I don't believe Obama conceded the race in NV

Maybe he was traveling to Illinois at the time? I don't remember.

[Joe the Revelator]

15. He got more delegates, what was there to concede?

nt

[Occam Bandage]

21. Right. It was an extremely hollow victory, but a victory nevertheless.

[MonkeyFunk]

26. the vote

[Occam Bandage]

29. And Clinton wouldn't have if the situations were reversed. It would be dumb politics.

Conceding a mixed result, such as NV, is dumb. Conceding a narrow loss, such as IA, is smart. Conceding a blowout can be dumb; since you can't spin it positive, it's often smarter to try to just move on as quickly as possible.

[Joe the Revelator]

34. The vote was FOR delegates

So what was he suppose to concede again?

[Karmadillo]

30. It's the first time it's happened since last week.

nt

[robbedvoter]

31. SHE JUST CONCEDED - SAID :CONGRATULATIONS TO OBAMA!

Apparently you guys can't even accept congratulations - look what you did to me:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4216621&mesg_id=4216621
Why can't you celebrate your win and try to be gracious!

[tammywammy]

33. I'm sorry all

these "concession" speech threads are ridiculous. Who cares?

And she did anyways.

[Perry Logan]

38. Logan's Law: all pro-Obama threads are full of shit.

[cooolandrew]

39. ....