When Your Local HS Team Loses, Do They Send the Cheerleaders over to Shake Hands for the Players?

[CorpGovActivist]

This is a feature of "good sportsmanship" that I've never seen before.

I wonder which competitive sport(s), if any, Senator Clinton played growing up?

Does your local team send over the pep squad to shake hands as surrogates, so the players can go sulk in the locker room?

- Dave

[MADem]

1. Could you tell us what you REALLY mean? Your example is a bit...goofy.

ARE you mad because Clinton and her husband left SC because they had engagements in other states?

Or am I misunderstanding your question?

Would that mean you're mad at Obama for leaving NV early to go concentrate on SC?

[CorpGovActivist]

3. I'm Not Mad at All...

... I'm mildly pleased with the results so far.

- Dave

[MADem]

5. Well, you should be, if Obama is your candidate. But there is such a thing

as being gracious in victory.

Your post suggests you aren't on that wavelength.

[CorpGovActivist]

6. I'm an Edwards Supporter, Ex-Clinton Supporter...

... but find a lot to be pleased about, not the least of which is the fact that the Clinton Campaign's "strategery" of racial and gender politics backfired so dramatically.

- Dave

[MADem]

8. Don't take this the wrong way, but you're coming across like a snipe.

It's certainly not reflective of your candidate's campaign tone.

[CorpGovActivist]

9. Thanks for Your Concern n/t

[ellisonz]

2. No, but I wish they did.

[CorpGovActivist]

4. I've Never Seen the Waterboy Sent to the Winning Team's...

... locker with a note of congrats, either.

- Dave

[MADem]

7. You do know that Senator Clinton is going to do a concession speech, don't you?

Or perhaps you don't? Turn on your television.

You aren't doing your candidate proud with this sort of childish and slightly vengeful commentary. Your candidate just scored a decisive win, you should be happy, not sniping at his competition.

And you never addressed Obama's "waterboy" action in Nevada, did you?

What's good for that South Carolina goose should be good for the Nevada gander--unless you're playing the "gender" card, that is.

On edit--I see you support Edwards, not Obama. Minus your support for the candidate, my comments still stand. If you're going to criticize, you need to do so across the board.

[CorpGovActivist]

10. When My Teams Lost, We Shook Hands before We Hit the Showers...

... and I'd put the former President's speech down to very poor tractical and strategic thinking on Penn's part, and/or a lack of ability to discipline and keep in check her Surrogate-in-Chief.

It's hard not to perceive his speech as him doing the "good game" handshake, while she sulks and pouts in the locker room.

- Dave

[MADem]

11. What part of "He was at a rally in a DIFFERENT state" is a challenge for you to comprehend?

He wasn't there to "concede" anything. He was drumming up support for his wife, and he ADDRESSED the OBVIOUS--that Obama won SC. And when the crowd booed, he shut them up swiftly and said Obama won it fair and square, that they asked for the votes of the electorate, but the electorate chose BO.

Clinton just landed in TN. Did you want her to walk out on the wing of her aircraft with a bullhorn? :eyes:

She'll be giving her concession speech in an hour, hour and a half. She already called the guy and gave him his props.

I don't know what you want. You still haven't addressed the other issue I raised. Interesting, that.

[CorpGovActivist]

12. The Parts Where: (1) They Timed Him...

... to precede her in public, knowing full well that he'd take it upon himself to presume to do the pre-concession. AND

(2) They put out a written statement to try to pre-empt him, underscoring that they can't control him.

- Dave

[MADem]

13. There's NO 'presumption.' Jesus, don't you know how politics works?

He gets the PRIME TIME. That is why he is talking NOW. At nine o'clock. Before Mister and Mrs. America turn on Faux News and then toddle up to bed.

The losers have CALLED him already.

He will say that, I will wager.

I really thought you weren't so...petty.

[CorpGovActivist]

14. I'm Delighted Bill Was on in Prime Time...

... absolutely delighted that "Mister and Mrs. America" (your term) got to hear him go on and on about himself, while the candidate was out of sight.

You're right: it was a masterstroke on Penn's part.

- Dave

[MADem]

15. He WASN'T on "prime time." He was on BEFORE prime time for most of the nation.

The whole fucking country isn't on EASTERN STANDARD TIME. And he wasn't "scheduled" to be on--the cameras were there, as they always are, filming B roll, and they cut in to just a short chunk of the start of his talk.

But whatever. You are DETERMINED to be bitter and angry. Have fun wallowing in it.

[CorpGovActivist]

16. I'm Very Happy Tonight...

... I could use emoticons, if it helped.

I may not be ecstatic that Edwards came in third, but I like where Clinton is in the delegate count. Happy night!

- Dave

P.S. I'm looking forward to seeing Clinton try to follow Obama's speech.

[CorpGovActivist]

17. Is She Giving It or Not? n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

18. I Blinked...

... did I miss her concession?

- Dave

[MADem]

19. You must have done more than blink.

Were you watching on CSPAN, or on MSGOP, where they cut her off early, and Scarborough apparently apologized for suggesting that she did not concede or congratulate?

Which, as some have pointed out, is more than this winner did when he lost.

[CorpGovActivist]

20. How Many Second Did She Spend Speaking about SC?

I'll give her this much: she can be concise (when it suits her).

- Dave

[MADem]

21. Guess what?

I didn't sit there with a stopwatch and time it for you. You'll have to find the video and do that all on your own.


I did enjoy the speech and I enjoyed the detailed Q and A even more.

[CorpGovActivist]

22. Well, I Hope Penn Learned the Lesson...

... that the networks won't cooperate and give her free air time for a standard stump speech, when the order of the day is a contest's results. Penn's a mastermind, after all. Smart guy, should pick up on this lesson quickly.

- Dave

[MADem]

23. She wasn't speaking to the networks, though. Just because they were stupid

and jumped in early, that was whose fault? Why, it was THE NETWORKS' fault.

See, they have this swell thing called a DELAY. It's like a TIVO for news feeds, see?

They actually could have had a technician watching the feed, and when the concession portion of the speech started, they actually could have FED the feed to the gasbag talking heads sitting at their desks filling your ears with bullshit! Without any trouble at all!

The technology EXISTS!!!

Instead, you (rather cravenly and childishly, I must say) blame the candidate because the networks are a bunch of twitchy little shits who make assumptions, and want it NOW!!!!!!! And then, they have to backtrack, and apologize for lying, and folks like you have to backtrack and instead blame "Penn" and gripe like a sleepy toddler that the concession wasn't "long enough" to suit you.

That's not terribly logical, you know.


Last time I checked, it isn't the JOB of the candidates to "accomodate" the networks. It is the job of the networks to cover the candidates. Sometimes, they make news, but they aren't supposed to "make" news.


You apparently despise Senator Clinton, why can't you be even slightly happy at the fact that she was bested two to one this evening? Is there no joy in Hateville for you at all? Or is the depth of your acrimony for that petite sixty year old woman so bottomless that you must continue to carp even after her defeat?

Take a happiness pill. You're a terribly miserable person, or at least that's how you are coming across online.

[CorpGovActivist]

24. I'm Overjoyed She Was Trounced So Soundly...

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

See? Plenty of happiness in this corner of the world. I think the data dicing on those numbers are going to really force a rethink of how to go about winning crucial swing states. Whether or not she has the right team of advisors or not remains to be seen.

As for her being prematurely pre-empted: She knows the drill. On contest night, if you lose, you start by conceding, then rally the troops. I think the networks were justified in sending the message they sent.

- Dave

[MADem]

25. You certainly could have fooled me. For a 'happy' person, you seem filled with rage

and bitter resentment.

Amazing--"she knows the drill?"

You feel that the candidates must leap and prance for the cameras, instead of the cameras following them? You like your news staged, eh?

And that "drill" paradigm you set such store by has been changed, you see--by the fellow who won this last state.

[CorpGovActivist]

26. He Hits His Marks...

... while still doing convincing improv.

She is only slightly less scripted than Elizabeth Dole.

You can't look into my heart, which is content and happy (in spite of the fact that my guy came in 3rd). Frankly, I'd think you'd be happier with 2nd, but then - I can't look in your heart either. This is such a flat medium, and it's hard for each of us to see the body language of the other, but I've got a smile on my face and a skip in my step after the not-even-close result tonight.

I am at peace with the role that Edwards played, too; I suspect he helped keep her numbers where they belonged, ensuring that only diehard supporters were reflected in her totals.

- Dave