Is it the Democratic Party or the Clinton Family Party?

[mdmc]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080125/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_florida_delegates

They will do and say anything to get what they want. :puke:
I hope to God Obama wins HUGE in SC today. I hope Edwards places a nice second.

[niceypoo]

1. Oh frigging brother

:rofl:

[Tellurian]

2. If Obama can keep up his "smear campaign"; he doesn't have to talk about policy issues!

Nice strategy for Obama...Talk about the Clintons all day long rather than talk about his boneheaded policies!

[mdmc]

5. Frankly, I would prefer Edwards over HRC or BO

And Kucinich over all.

However, I will certainly cast my vote for whoever can stop HRC. It looks like Obama to me.

[jackson_dem]

11. Edwards can. Obama is done after the shenanigans he pulled in South Carolina

[mdmc]

14. What did BO do in SC? I thought he had a shot at winning today

:shrug:

[jackson_dem]

26. Look at what he did to win South Carolina and the price he will pay down the road for it

[cali]

13. You endorse the Southern Strategy and win at all costs

Why don't you just admit it?

[MonkeyFunk]

3. How dare she try to get Floridians' votes to count!

The bitch!

[mdmc]

6. One question -

do you think she would be lobbying for MI and FL delegates to count if it was not directly in her best interest to do so?

She didn't mind the NV unions getting perks and props, until it no longer benefited her. Then she wanted justice.

Don't get me wrong, my friend, she will be the next President. Corporations love her, and the American people are not ready for a real deal change like Kucinich or Paul would offer.

She will win, no matter what is posted on the internets. She will be the next President.

Some day, working people will get their real deal. It won't be in the next 8 year, imho.

[Tellurian]

15. Hillary likes Dennis.. I wouldn't be surprised if

she offered him a cabinet position or created a position for him. We all like Dennis's ideas. It's getting them passed through Congress that has always been the problem.

"do you think she would be lobbying for MI and FL delegates to count if it was not directly in her best interest to do so?"

Hillary would be foolish not to undue a stupid tactic enforced by the Dem Party.

[mdmc]

16. The thing is, once the dems have their delegate

FL and MI delegates will be seated at the convention. So it is already a done deal.

[Armstead]

18. You just nailed the problem with Democrats

>>>>We all like Dennis's ideas. It's getting them passed through Congress that has always been the problem.

If in fact more Democratic politicians really did like DK's ideas and united behind them, there is a good chance that they could have either been pushed through or at least have them set up for a slam dunk with a real D majority under a D president.

The problem is that so many D politicians have retreated from -- or overtly rejected -- the mainstream progressive principles that DK espouses that they have moved the ball further from the goal line, rather than advancing them.

[LordJFT]

28. what did she do to get Floridians votes to count?

[dkf]

4. She thinks she is above the rules.

Typical.

[Alexander]

7. DLC = DINOs Love Clinton!

[jackson_dem]

10. What disagreements does Obama have with the DLC?

Have you figured out the answer is 0 yet?

[jackson_dem]

8. Hillary is living up to the name "Democrat" by asking all the votes to be counted

[NastyRiffraff]

9. I'd be a lot more sympathetic to "have the votes counted" if

this wasn't after the fact.

All candidates knew about the Michigan and Florida delegates. This isn't a new thing that was sprung on them. They AGREED not to campaign in those states. Hillary pushed the envelope by leaving her name on the ballot, almost guaranteeing her "wins" in both states. NOW at this late date, she's asking the DNC to reverse its original, PUBLICIZED and agreed to decision?

I'm not one of the "Hillary haters," but this is wrong.

[MonkeyFunk]

22. It's not "after the fact" in Florida

They haven't voted yet, all candidates are on the ballot. Nobody has an unfair advantage.

Do you just not like the fact that Clinton is leading the polls there?

[NastyRiffraff]

25. Frankly, if Edwards isn't winning Fla, I couldn't care less if Clinton is leading

Or Obama, for that matter. Believe it or not, I think this is a matter of principle. Believe it or not, disagreeing with Clinton isn't necessarily an attack on her. I just think this is wrong.

Make no mistake, at the end of the day (that is, at the convention) delegates from Florida and Michigan will be seated. But that's after the dust has settled, and depending on several factors, including how close things are and whether or not those delegates can make a difference, they'll be parceled out at the convention. With this hanging over the candidates' heads, it could be interesting.

[ShortnFiery]

12. I prefer to term it *The Clintonian Democratic Party* (run by Bill Clinton's DLC)

:shrug:

[UALRBSofL]

23. I Live In Florida And Know The Facts

I don't think it's fair to Hillary to run artucles about her that distort the facts. If people are concerned with the truth they should fact-check before believing everything they read by a reporter or a blogger.

The fact is the DNC along with the Democrat candidates signed a contract to disallow delegates as well as no campaigning or running ads in florida.

Barack has been running campaign ads in florida for the past 2 weeks on CNN every 3 or 4 hours and this was disallowed. When you run a campaign ad on CNN you are able to block any state from receiving the ad, which he chose not to do in florida. Barack is circumventing the DNC contract by running these ads.

On the ballots in florida every democrat candidate is listed and we can still vote for any of them just that our vote doesn't count. Also, because Barack has been running these ads in florida people know who he is. When the original post states Hillary leads 2 to 1 over Barack that is simply not true, she leads at the most by 5 to 7 %. I'm a bit surprised that a Barack supporter would even admit Hillary leads Barack by a margin of 2 to 1 in florida because if that were the case it is a good indicator of Hillary's popularity.

That being said, Hillary has asked, not directed the DNC to let floridians voice be heard which actually means let the votes in florida count. Is this breaking any rules, no it isn't.

To get to the meat of my post. Hillary asking the DNC to allow florida votes count, is this pandering for delegats, sure it is. Barack running ads in florida circumventing the DNC contract, is this pandering, sure it is.

Of the 3 candidates, John has been the only candidate not involved in any issues in florida that I am aware of and I applaud him for that.

I am a Hillary supporter but I have to give credit to John for not pandering in florida.

[gulliver]

17. And Bobby Kennedy should not have run in 1968.

And Michelle Obama lost her right to run now that Barack has run.

Hillary asking to have the delegates reinstated in MI and FL just proves she is smart and able to make bold, winning moves. I want a candidate who does that kind of thing.

[MBS]

19. yes, this latest maneuver is disgusting, and so TRANSPARENT

The title of your post says it all. Can you spell Naked Power Struggle for Control of the Democratic Party?
Howard Dean must be livid. (I hope he is, anyway!)
I'm also rooting for Obama to win huge today, and for HRC to place third.

[IndianaGreen]

20. The Clintons are turning the Democratic Party into an American version of Peronista Party

Peron! Peron! Peron!

The Perons, Juan and Evita, portrayed themselves as champions of the workers, just as the Clintons do today. They were no such thing!

[Nedsdag]

21. Then Bill and Hillary should leave and start their own party:

The Clinton Party. It worked for Teddy Roosevelt.

[Sparkly]

24. "They will do or say ANYTHING!"

This is another rightwing-propagated phrase from the 90's. :eyes:

[MzShellG]

27. "Clinton family party"

"How depressing. I wish they would just go away" said Michele, a Clinton fatigue victom.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

29. You've been HANNITIZED