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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:15 PM Original message |
Is there any doubt that the Kennedys would have done what the Bushes did if not assassinated? |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. possibly. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
2. Why the hell are you sliming the Kennedys? |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I don't know how you can equate musing about 16 or more years of the Kennedys "sliming" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
29. No. |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Had a "dynasty" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. There's no assumption in quoting your own words back to you. |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. "John would have been a two-term President followed by Robert." |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. No, there is no potential for confusion. I agree. n/t |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I think the OP is being misinterpreted. |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Correct - which means sometimes you have to look into the Twilight Zone to see the truth |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Try reading it again. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
33. That's not what the writing said. If that was the intent, that's another matter. n/t |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Paraphrasing the OP: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Without commenting on the intentions of the Kennedy clan |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. To me, that was actually the point of the OP. |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Just about the dynasty, not the policy - Kennedys would have been better, obviously |
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Hart2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
3. Buffalo Chips! How would RFK have muscled out LBJ? |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. LBJ didn't run in 1968. |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Yes, actually, he DID run |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. True. I should have been clearer. |
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Hart2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
22. But LBJ would have been first in line had JFK not been killed and served a 2nd term. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. It's impossible to tell. |
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Hart2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. It is very hard to deny the sitting V.P. of a popular President the party's nomination, e.g., Nixon, |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. And he was dead by 1973, so never would have seen a second term |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Do you remember the '72 field? There would have been formidable competition for Kennedy -nt |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. That would have changed had Kennedy had two successful terms |
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Hart2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. A lot of assumptions here, but who did LBJ name as his VP? HHH not RFK! |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. I don't think the Kennedys were particularly close to Johnson |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:10 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. I understand your reasoning. |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. LBJ would have been jettisoned after one term, or wouldn't have run because he was old and sick |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. A lot of hypotheticals there |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. John didn't even get to finish one term |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. That doesn't extrapolate into support for his brother -nt |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. George W. Bush is an alcoholic dry drunk misanthropic sociopath, and HE got elected on dad's tails |
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Hart2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Right! RFK was known as "Ruthless Robert" to his detractors. |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Absolutely. -mt |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #27 |
55. And that all would have been different if John ended US involvement in Vietnam |
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Faygo Kid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
9. Nice speculation. All we need do is overlook two assassinations. |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. The Kennedys would have been a dynasty if they hadn't been assassinated |
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Faygo Kid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Absurd. You assume no other historical surprises. |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. George W. Bush is an alcoholic dry drunk misanthropic sociopath, and HE got elected on dad's tails |
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Faygo Kid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. And if Joe Jr. had survived WWII, would that have meant 24 straight years? |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #31 |
48. Yeah, and then maybe we wouldn't have "God" on our money and in our Pledge then, either |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Yes, the Kennedys would have been a dynasty if they had not |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
49. "And" they would have taken the country in a starkly different direction |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
12. Just wondering, what is the matter with you? |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I know you are but what am I? |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
15. While JFK would most likely |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. By the end of a second Kennedy term, the public would have lunged at electing the Attorney General |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Wrong. See my post above. RFK was beloved only AFTER his brother's death -nt |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Wrong - this presumes John wouldn't have been more popular after a second term |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Wrong - Bobby was no John Kennedy - or thought of as such until after 11-22-63 -nt |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. 1968 is a long time after November of 1963, and 1972 even further out |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Interesting - but senseless - speculation |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. Well, speculation it is |
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