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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:26 AM
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"Honey, I Authorized The War" starring Hillary Clinton and John Edwards
Hillary Clinton - Speech in the US Senate - October 10, 2002

Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first and placing highest priority on a simple, clear requirement for unlimited inspections, I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible.

Because bipartisan support for this resolution makes success in the United Nations more likely, and therefore, war less likely, and because a good faith effort by the United States, even if it fails, will bring more allies and legitimacy to our cause, I have concluded, after careful and serious consideration, that a vote for the resolution best serves the security of our nation.

http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html


John Edwards - Article in the Washington Post - November 13, 2005

I was wrong.

Almost three years ago we went into Iraq to remove what we were told -- and what many of us believed and argued -- was a threat to America. But in fact we now know that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction when our forces invaded Iraq in 2003. The intelligence was deeply flawed and, in some cases, manipulated to fit a political agenda.

It was a mistake to vote for this war in 2002. I take responsibility for that mistake. It has been hard to say these words because those who didn't make a mistake -- the men and women of our armed forces and their families -- have performed heroically and paid a dear price.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/11/AR2005111101623.html


Barack Obama - Speech at Anti-War Rally - October 2, 2002

What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income - to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics. Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.

(...)

The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not -- we will not -- travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.

http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php


Al Gore - Speech endorsing Howard Dean for President - December 9th, 2003

I've spent a long time thinking about national security and national defense, and I've heard a lot of folks, who in my opinion made a judgment about the Iraq war that was just plain wrong, saying that Howard Dean's decision to oppose the Iraq war calls his judgment on foreign policy into question.

Well, excuse me. He was the only major candidate who made the correct judgment about the Iraq war. And he had the insight and the courage to say and do the right thing. And that's important -- because those judgments, that basic common sense, is what you want in a president.

(...)

So don't tell me that because Howard Dean was the only major candidate who was right about that war, that that somehow calls his judgment into question on foreign policy.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0312/09/se.01.html
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:28 AM
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1. Great subject line
:D

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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:56 AM
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2. Thanx for the kick!
A lot of folks here are making a huge deal about how Obama admitted he made some rookie mistakes in the Illinois State legislature. They are pretending that Obama is too stupid to press the right button - which is not what he meant. What he meant was that with hindsight he probably should have voted differently on some of those. Maybe he was being overly cautious on some of those votes.

But I don't think any of those votes in the State legislature were as important or consequential as the vote in the US Senate to authorize the attack against Iraq. That's the point I am trying to make.

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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:00 AM
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3. "Honey, I vote (continually) to authorize funding for the war"
by Saint BO.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:09 AM
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4. I wouldn't have thought that was an issue... but today I found out he said he wouldn't.
During his campaign for the Senate... he said he wouldn't.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:10 AM
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5. Damn -- you beat me to it
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:31 AM
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6. You can't unbreak an egg or unmake an omlette.
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 11:36 AM by Apollo11
As Obama has repeatedly said during the past 12 months: just because we (the US) were careless about getting into Iraq, doesn't mean we can afford to be careless in the way we get out.

In not calling for an immediate withdrawal of US forces, Obama has been pretty much on the same page as Al Gore.


Barack Obama on CNN Larry King Live, March 19, 2007

OBAMA: I don't think there are any good options left in Iraq. There are bad options and worse options.
It is my judgment -- and I think it's the judgment of most military and political experts -- that the best we can hope for, at this point, is to make sure that we are seeing some sort of accommodations between the various factions.

The only leverage we have to encourage those factions to start coming to the table is if we say we are not going to be there in an open-ended military commitment. And that's what my bill is designed to do. It says we begin a phased redeployment out of Iraq starting on May 1st. Our target goal is to get combat troops out by March 31st of next year.

But it also provides a series of benchmarks to say to the Iraqi government and the Iraqi factions, if you are willing to disarm the militias, if you're willing to spread oil revenues equitably, if you're serious about rooting out corruption, then we're going to continue to be a partner and we want to engage the entire region in a partnership to make sure that Iraq is stable and that the Iraqi people, who have suffered for so long, actually have some opportunity for a better life.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0703/19/lkl.01.html


Al Gore on CNN Larry King Live, May 22, 2007

GORE: There are no easy options. They've created this situation where there really are no good choices.
We have to choose the less -- the least worst choice and...

Here are the two objectives that we have to pursue simultaneously. Number one, get our troops out of there and home as quickly as possible. Secondly, do it in a way that honors our nation's moral obligation, which all of us have, regardless of whether we opposed or supported the invasion. We have a moral obligation not to make an already terrible situation even worse in the manner of our leaving.

But there is evidence that in some areas, indeed, the violence could get worse if we precipitously pulled out in the wrong way. But there's evidence in much of the country that the continued presence of the troops is a magnet for violence aimed at them. And the overall continued deterioration of Iraq and the -- what appears to be the real failures of the government in place there create a set of options that are really awful. So...

KING: So what's the less -- what's the -- all right. You're president. How do you get...

GORE: We need to get our troops home as quickly as possible.

KING: In other words, if you were president January 31st, 2009, your first act would be starting withdrawal? You'd start bringing home...

GORE: No, no. As I said before, I would grab hold of the situation and make an immediate assessment of what the best options were to manage this catastrophe.

KING: You don't know what they are. You don't know...

GORE: No, I mean, I know what -- I know generally the families -- we need to get them out of there, as I've said. But we need to make a very clear analysis of how we can get out of there without making it much worse than it is now.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0705/22/lkl.01.html
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:39 PM
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10. That isn't what Obama said when he was running from the left in his senate primary in 2003
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:57 PM
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8.  We did it in Vietnam. Stop the funding = Stop the war.
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 01:41 PM by avaistheone1
Obama needs to start walking the talk, instead of blinding funding the war.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:29 AM
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25. Vietnam ended before Congress boldly cut funds
"In January of 1973, President Richard Nixon approved the Paris Peace Accords, which implemented an immediate cease-fire in Vietnam and called for the complete withdrawal of American troops within sixty days. Accordingly, on June 19, 1973 Congress passed the Case-Church Amendment, which called for a halt to all military activities in Southeast Asia by August 15, thereby ending twelve years of direct U.S. military involvement in the region."



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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:42 PM
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12. They all funded the troops......
and Edwards co-sponsored the authorization......and didn't think that it mattered enough until 3 years later. And that was one of his biggest accomplishment while he could have made a difference. Not to mention his advise to Kerry not to back away from their IWR vote during the 2004 election.

Out of all of the top candidates, Barack Obama took the best position when it counted, and when it was the most difficult. The others backed away from supporting funding only when public opinion did as well. That's telling.

Everything else is bullshit....and you know it.

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TriMetFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:16 AM
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23. Bull shit!
avaistheone1 is right. If Obama was a true anti-Irqa war supporter he would not be voting to keep sending money over there. And please don't say it is for the troops. Because our men and women still don't have what they need.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:51 PM
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7. Kick for change!
Where are all the Obama supporters today? :eyes:


I guess most are out in the "real world" helping to bring about change! B-)


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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:38 PM
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9. Kick....
and this talk about funding the troops after the fact is a red herring........as each candidate has done it, period.

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:39 PM
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11. When did Kucinich do it?
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:18 AM
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29. Kucinich is no longer a candidate...
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:45 PM
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13. It's a matter of judgment
Hillary and Edwards failed their nation when they "took the president at his word"
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:03 PM
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14. I agree
:kick:
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wintersoulja Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 06:03 PM
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18. a matter to be judged
when Hillary and JE supporters take them at their word, now.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:28 PM
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15. Kick
:kick:
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 05:18 PM
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16. Kick
:kick:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 05:34 PM
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17. this will be the argument against the GOP with Obama as the nominee
Otherwise the argument will be who is fighting the war best. Do not expect any lookback.
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:02 AM
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21. "fighting the war best" and commitment to length of occupation
Clinton only suggested that the American military presence in Iraq could be similar to that in Korea (50 years and counting). McCain has spoken of as long as 1000 years in Iraq.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 08:37 AM
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19. Kick
:kick:
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 08:48 AM
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20. What does this mean?
"Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain."

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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:06 AM
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22. Happy to help
It means that political leaders - the President and Congress - have a responsibility that they owe to the soldiers in the US military. It means we should not send our soldiers into harms way unless there is a very good reason. Like a threat to national security or if one of America's allies is under threat. But not just because of rumors - not supported by any specific evidence - about "hey, maybe Iraq has WMD" spread by people with a personal and/or political interest in promoting regime change in that country. Because asking people to risk their lives based on a false case for war is the same as allowing them to die in vain.

Barack Obama was very clear in setting out where he stood on the issue of Iraq.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:19 AM
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24. Kick
:kick:
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:19 PM
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26. Kick
:kick:
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:40 AM
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27. Kick for change!
By popular demand, the inconvenient truth that refused to go away.

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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:14 AM
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28. kick
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