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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:37 PM
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Edwards won't win 2nd place in South Carolina
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 10:38 PM by Herman Munster
The big thing hurting Edwards is Hillary will get at least about 15%-20% of the black vote when all is said and done. Edwards is doing abysmally there, averaging about 2-4% in polls. Even if Hillary ties Edwards with whites which I don't think will happen, her large advantage over Edwards with blacks will ensure her second place.

Hillary has what is considered the best "traditional" organization in the state. Most of the South Carolina politicos support her. Obama's organization is grassroots. The polls are not reflecting Hillary's organization and GOTV program. They will get the vote out and make it at least respectable for her, my prediction is within the single digits. If she can hold his margin of victory under 10 points, she will have done as well as could be expected in this environment.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120105705756408791.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


Mr. Obama, in contrast, is trying something many observers say has never been done here: He is circumventing entrenched local leadership and building a political machine from scratch. His staff consists largely of community organizers -- many from out of state or with no political experience -- who are assembling an army of volunteers. It is a strategy often used by labor organizations and in neighborhood and town politics.

Some evidence suggests the strategy may be working. After lagging far behind Mrs. Clinton in state polls for much of last year, Mr. Obama has jumped ahead. According to an automated poll conducted Monday by Public Policy Polling of Raleigh, N.C., Mr. Obama leads Mrs. Clinton 44% to 28%, with about 12% of respondents undecided. As late as October, Mrs. Clinton had a 20-percentage-point lead in many surveys. Nationally, Mrs. Clinton remains in the lead.

"If he pulls this off -- and I think he will -- Barack Obama's organization will be studied and replicated in this state for many years to come," says Inez Tenenbaum, a former South Carolina superintendent of education who has run four statewide races in the past decade. She is one of the few prominent state Democrats backing Mr. Obama.

The strategy has risks. The endorsement system of politics evolved precisely because it was locals, not outsiders, who knew where voters here lived and how to get them to the polls.

Clinton campaign officials greet the Obama strategy with skepticism. Kelly Adams, state director for the Clinton campaign and a South Carolina native, says her staff does its share of grass-roots organizing, staging fish fries, rallies and what she calls "salon outreach" in the state's barbershops. But she says these activities aren't enough to win an election. "We have a lot of endorsements from people who have been doing this longer than I have been alive," says Ms. Adams. The campaign will also involve hiring scores of locals, based on the recommendations of pastors and politicians, to drive out the vote. "I think it's a pretty fair fight -- we have a political machine unmatched by any other in the state."

The campaigns' differing strategies have opened a split between the old hands at Southern black politics who back Mrs. Clinton, and a new generation of Obama supporters who are often more attuned to hip-hop culture than civil-rights history.

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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:38 PM
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1. Did Dick Morris say so?
:rofl:
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:57 AM
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12. Dick Morris HATES Hillary
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 02:58 AM by Lirwin2
he's said that he will move to another country if she wins.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:39 PM
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2. It would be damned encouraging to me if he whipped 'em both.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:41 PM
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3. That would be ok by me.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:47 PM
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4. edit.
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 10:49 PM by Viva_La_Revolution
delete. unnecessary snark promised myself I would stay out of this crap.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:48 PM
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6. That is what I was thinking... Not sure where that came from.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:52 PM
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8. I'm tracking down all the polls now...
nothing yet.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:48 PM
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5. A very interesting article - thanks for posting. n/t
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:49 PM
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7. Bwahahaha! Give me a break.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/21/martin-luther-king-iii-to-john-edwards-i-challenge-all-candidates-to-follow-your-lead/

Letter from Martin Luther King III to John Edwards...



…I appreciate that on the major issues of health care, the environment, and the economy, you have framed the issues for what they are - a struggle for justice. And, you have almost single-handedly made poverty an issue in this election.

You know as well as anyone that the 37 million people living in poverty have no voice in our system. They don’t have lobbyists in Washington and they don’t get to go to lunch with members of Congress. Speaking up for them is not politically convenient. But, it is the right thing to do.

I am disturbed by how little attention the topic of economic justice has received during this campaign. I want to challenge all candidates to follow your lead, and speak up loudly and forcefully on the issue of economic justice in America.<..>

I believe that now, more than ever, we need a leader who wakes up every morning with the knowledge of that injustice in the forefront of their minds, and who knows that when we commit ourselves to a cause as a nation, we can make major strides in our own lifetimes. My father was not driven by an illusory vision of a perfect society. He was driven by the certain knowledge that when people of good faith and strong principles commit to making things better, we can change hearts, we can change minds, and we can change lives.

So, I urge you: keep going. Ignore the pundits, who think this is a horserace, not a fight for justice. My dad was a fighter. As a friend and a believer in my father’s words that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, I say to you: keep going. Keep fighting. My father would be proud.



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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:55 PM
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9. If you actually read the article
it shows that Obama is going to win despite the fact that Clinton was paying off pastors and others with $ 15,000 per month consulting stipends.

If clinton keeps dropping she could come in third
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:57 PM
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10. Hillary already bailed on the state, after getting booed at the debate.
Shit, that rhymed, didn't it?

Nah, Hillary's coming in a distant third, and she knows it.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:55 AM
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11. If its goes Obama, Edwards and Hillary last, it would be a HUGE
blow to Bill.

Wow.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:00 AM
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13. While the African-American vote is about 55-60 percent the white vote is
is 40-45 percent and Zogby is indicating that Edwards is beginning to move ahead among white voters with Hillary second. Plus, where he was only polling about 1% of the black vote he is now up to about 5% and if he continues to gain I think he could go all the way up to 10% of the black vote--probably more from Hillary than Obama. Finally, the story is out in SC that Hillary has abandoned the state and wavering voters and undecideds I think are more likely to go with somebody who is fighting for the state rather than somebody who decided to leave.
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