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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:39 PM
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Why Do So Many...Insist on Ignoring Clinton's Obvious Deficiencies as a General Election Candidate?
Why Do So Many Smart People Insist on Ignoring Clinton's Obvious Deficiencies as a General Election Candidate?


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That so many Democrats think this question is complicated suggests to me that maybe people aren't good at assessing the popularity of their co-partisans. To Democrats, it's perfectly obvious that the strongest Republican nominee is John McCain. He polls very highly, everybody knows Democrats and Independents who like him, and so on. But Republicans are constantly debating this. You see Republicans spinning horror scenarios of a McCain nomination leading to a splintering base or depressed turnout. To Democrats it's bewildering that they even debate this. Lots of Republicans feel the same way about the Clinton/Obama electability debate.

I couldn't agree more. As Chait points out, it is impossible to predict the future. But that doesn't change the fact that every relevant metric suggests that Barack Obama would be a far superior general election candidate than Hillary Clinton, and it is indeed maddening that so many smart people cannot seem to see this.

Consider this:

1) In every contest that's been held so far, Obama has done much better than Clinton among independent and Republican voters, a strong indication that he has more cross-over appeal.

2) Obama has MUCH better favorable/unfavorable ratings than Clinton.

3) Democratic members of Congress from red states and red districts are overwhelmingly choosing to endorse Obama over Clinton and are arguing that he will do better than Clinton in their states/districts.

4) Obama is a fresh-face who many Americans have not yet formed an opinion of and are willing to give a chance. By contrast, virtually every American has long ago formed an opinion of Hillary Clinton and--whether fair or not--for many that opinion is negative. Many otherwise persuadable folk will simply tune her out. If you doubt this, ask any disgruntled Republican you know whether he/she would ever consider voting for Hillary. Ask the same about Obama. Notice the different reaction.

5) Obama is--by leaps and bounds--a better orator and a more charismatic and likable figure than Clinton. Close you eyes and imagine them each delivering their keynote address at the Democratic Convention. Who do you imagine would be better able to inspire the electorate and win new converts to the progressive cause?

6) Obama has done much better than Clinton at attracting new people into the political process. Which candidate do you think will do a better job increasing Democratic turnout in November?

7) Obama matches up much better against John McCain than Hillary does. McCain is beloved by the media. Clinton is despised. But the media likes Obama and would root for his historical candidacy to succeed. Furthermore, Obama provides a much better contrast with McCain on foreign policy. If Clinton is the nominee, it will be 2004 all over again with Clinton constantly being accused of flip-floppery on the war and being forced to explain her initial vote for it. If Obama is the nominee, he can present a much clearer and more consistent critique of the war and McCain's foreign policy generally. Obama's youth and vitality will also contrast well with McCain's age.

8) Obama matches up much better against Mitt Romney than Hillary does. Romney's biggest liability is his perception as a phony, calculating, say-anything-to-get-elected politician. Clinton--whether fair or not--is perceived similarly. Obama does not have that reputation and would be able to contrast himself well in a race against Romney.

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http://www.anonymousliberal.com/2008/01/why-do-so-many-smart-people-insist-on.html
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:41 PM
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1. The republicans are simply
going to run on the stupidity of going bush/clinton/bush/clinton over and over again.

Ironically it gives them the one opportunity to actually run against bush.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:44 PM
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2. Everyone of the candidates of either party have obvious deficiencies.
Why should HC be singled out?
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:44 PM
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3. "Obama has done much better than Clinton at attracting new people into the political process."
Yeah, right. If you don't consider all those women Hillary has attracted as "people".

But that's OK. Women are used to being ignored. They have made their presence known and will only increase their participation as time goes on.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:46 PM
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5. Oh, please, this isn't about gender. I'm sure the author is referring to youth
and independent voters who like his new approach and fresh voice.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:52 PM
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7. and don't necessarily turn out on election day
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:04 PM
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14. The author isn't aware of all the dynamics in this race.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:45 PM
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4. KNPnta
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:49 PM
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6. Because THAT is why the Clintons are doing the ugly blitzkrieg on Obama.
Pay no attention to the tragically flawed Candidate Clinton behind the curtain.

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:53 PM
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8. you forgot your list of obama's obvious deficiencies. talk about fair and balanced eh? nt
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:56 PM
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10. Why don't you provide them? Do your own homework. nt
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:56 PM
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9. What deficiencies?
She's going to win 50 states!!!1!
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:58 PM
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11. Where is John Edwards in this post?
Or does a close second not count?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:01 PM
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13. I agree, he should have been mentioned, but I didn't write it. nt
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:23 PM
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28. JESDNE
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:00 PM
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12. Not only would Obama be a better
candidate but he'll be a better president and that's why I want him.

hilary and bil are campaigning like the hil&bil show and that's exactly what it would be if the fates are against the country again and they get in by crook or by crook.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:06 PM
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15. I think that the Rethugs will smear whoever our nominee is, Obama or
Clinton or Edwards. But one thing about HRC is, I think her negatives are already decided. People have already made up their minds about her, and more people support her than don't.

In other words, HRC has relatively high negatives, they're in the 40's, but I don't expect them to get higher. And if the Rethugs to attack her too unfairly they risk a backlash, as in N.H.

Obama's negatives could still rise significantly -- simply because a lot of people haven't made up their minds about him -- depending on what happens between now and November. Edwards is better known because he ran for V.P. before, but I don't know if that race was enough to innoculate him against the possible negatives (rich trial lawyer, etc.) or not.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:17 PM
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17. NO they won't..they will be so dazzled by Obama that they will all vote Dem...
The republican nomonee will concede before the election is even held...
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:56 PM
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22. Oh yeah right.
I wish.
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:15 PM
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16. Here is the saddest part
Billary is turning off the black base and the Dem table falls over without that leg. She is turning off young people with her "don't have any hope things will change" message. She has already lost the angry union guy/populist vote because she is such a corporate shill.

Just how the hell can we win with her when 3 of the 4 legs of the democratic table have been sawed off? Sure, she'll get the Fix-o-dent vote. Maybe.

We are going to lose for sure with Hillary.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:28 PM
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21. That's exactly how I feel. Snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory
yet again.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:28 PM
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27. Yep. It infuriates me that in this time of golden opportunity,
we very well may be STUCK with her. If she gets the nomination, we will have stupidly squandered our only chance to really turn things around, and, most likely, we will lose the election.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:18 PM
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18. I dunno - maybe because MSM is UNANIMOUSLY cheering Obama so much?
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:18 PM
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19. Selfish and want to win NOW, just like the rest of society, instant gratifications!
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:19 PM
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20. Wake me up after she's inaugurated.
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:16 PM
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23. nice article, thanks.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:24 PM
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24. At the risk of starting some excitement here...
Obama caught our attention when he started plugging St Reagan not too long back. That will attract a number of repugnants and indies--indeed it will. But it repulses liberal dems who suffered under Reagan policies.

Thats what happens when you pimp outside your own party.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:27 PM
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25. get with the program, Hon
after Bush, the bar has been lowered to the level of whale shit.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:27 PM
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26. She has nothing but upside.
50 states in 2008!
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