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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:38 PM
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Daschle to Clinton: Tactics Will Divide and Destroy the Party
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/daschle-says-president-clinton-acting-unpresidential-2008-01-22.html

Daschle says President Clinton acting ‘unpresidential’
By Sam Youngman
Posted: 01/22/08 10:33 AM
Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.), speaking on behalf of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), said on a conference call Tuesday morning that former President Bill Clinton’s criticisms of Obama in recent days and weeks are “not presidential.”

“It’s not in keeping with the role of a former president,” Daschle said.

The former majority leader said the Clintons are engaging in the same kind of tactics Republicans did when they went after him in 2004, defeating him in his reelection bid even as he was the sitting Senate leader of his party.

“This is the same kind of tactic that Washington uses quite frequently,” Daschle said, adding, “I think it destroys the party. Ultimately, it divides us.”

The purpose of the call was to announce the creation of the South Carolina Truth Squad, which Daschle said will “respond forcefully to each and every one of these distortions.”

(Its pretty bad when part of the Democratic establishment has to form a Truth Squad to protect a democrat from another democrat)

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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:40 PM
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1. Wow. I heard the "it destroys the party" quote, but not that it was directed at Clinton.
Pretty powerful stuff.

So....how long before Kennedy endorses Obama now?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:41 PM
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2. Was Clinton suppose to save his ass from being hauled away by the Republicans?
Is he mad because he believed those criminals would honor tradition and not go for his seat?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:50 PM
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9. That's not what he's saying. He's just saying that Bill Clinton is
engaging in the same kind of tactics that the R's used on Daschle.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:41 PM
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Next question--do the Clinton's really mind dividing and conquering the Democratic Party?
Based on what I've seen, they have no real interest in leaving the progressive wing of the party in tact. Why would they?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:00 PM
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21. Nope. Self interest rules, screw the rest of us. nt
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:41 PM
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3. Is that the same Daschle that was defeated by a simpleton Repuke?
the one who hid under his desk trembling in fear of Bush?
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:57 PM
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18. Blame South Dakotans.
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 06:58 PM by TwilightZone
I grew up there, and we have family there. Daschle hadn't really changed, and his moderate stances sold pretty well there. South Dakota just bought into the "new blood" BS that the Republicans were peddling. The Reps blew literally millions of campaign funds in SD on that race.

The *idiots* in SD bought the Republican crap, so they traded in one of the five most-powerful Democrats in government for a Norm Coleman clone newbie with zero power.

And, now they wonder why no one is paying attention to their issues.

Was Daschle a pushover? Yep. Was he a powerful presence in Congress where SD was concerned? Yep.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:02 PM
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22. Daschle was my Senator when I lived there--I thought he was a
pretty decent guy, centrist enough for South Dakota (at least for East River), but then the GOP decided that all big square rural states should be red, and the stupid sheeple agreed. Hopefully Tim Johnson won't befall the same fate. John Thune--he was my Congressman. Handsome, but shallow and mediocre.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:02 PM
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23. That's the same Daschle who received an anthrax letter
Strange that they never found out who sent it....
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:42 PM
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4. Yes I know. It was sad when Hillary had to launch her Fact Hub in the 1st week of Nov.
Let's take a walk down memory lane

Barack Obama Falsely Claims That Hillary Controls Release Of White House Records

11/8/2007 1:00:40 PM
In an interview with Newsweek, Barack Obama claimed that Hillary has the power to order the release of documents relating to her White House years:

When she suggested somehow she didn't have control over whether or not these papers were being released what we're talking about here is her husband's presidential library. And when she is making a suggestion that part of the experience that she brings to this office is her experience as First Lady, people have a right to ask some tough questions. She can release these papers.

This is false. The archives controls the records and their release. Don't take our word for it, here's the law:

§ 2202. Ownership of Presidential records The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter." "2203(f)(1) Upon the conclusion of a President's term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President. . . ."

Before they are released, the archives needs to review every page. Neither President Clinton nor Hillary has ever prevented a release of a single record


Obama Distorts Hillary's Record On Ethanol

11/8/2007 1:00:05 PM

Today, Barack Obama is on the attack, taking issue with Hillary's new energy plan that has been widely praised by the League of Conservation Voters and the CEO of Google, among others. Obama says that Hillary doesn't actually support ethanol.

"It's hard to believe that she is a strong ethanol supporter given her track record and this is something that represents a major reversal and what we need is consistency on these issues," Obama said in an interview. "If she's willing to shift this quickly on this issue, we don't know whether she will shift back when it gets hard."

Actually, Hillary has a long record of supporting ethanol. Here are some highlights:

Hillary voted for energy bill that requires ethanol production to grow to at least 36 billion gallons a year by 2022, a sevenfold increase of the amount of ethanol processed last year.

Hillary has supported extending tax incentives for blending ethanol in gasoline. In 2004, Sen. Clinton voted to extend the 51 cent per gallon ethanol blending credit through 2010, and has proposed a further extension to 2012.

Hillary is the sponsor of a 50% tax credit for the installation of ethanol pumps. "I Support comprehensive legislation that would...up the availability of ethanol by providing gas station owners with a 50 percent tax credit for the cost of installing ethanol pumps"

Hillary is the sponsor of legislation to make ethanol more available nationwide by providing loan guarantees for commercial production. "I support comprehensive legislation...that would speed the development of cellulosic ethanol by providing loan guarantees for the first billion gallons of commercial production capacity."

Hillary co-sponsored legislation to dramatically expand renewable energy, including ethanol, by 2025. Senator Clinton cosponsored a concurrent resolution which expresses the sense of Congress that it is the goal of the U.S. that, not later than 1/1/2025, the agricultural, forestry, and working land of the U.S. should provide from renewable resources not less than 25% of total energy consumed in the U.S. and continue to produce safe, abundant, and affordable food, feed and fiber. Grassley sponsored and Harkin was a co-sponsor.

Hillary supported increasing biofuel production on 'a much faster track' to revitalize rural and reduce dependence on foreign oil. "We have an underused resource, American farmland, and rural communities across our country eager to try something new and do their part to help solve our energy problems. Today we have 97 biorefineries located in 19 different states with the capacity to make nearly 4.5 billion gallons of ethanol. Now, over the next 12 to 18 months, we will increase that capacity by 50 percent. And we're seeing it in New York as we're seeing it around the country... We need to be moving on a much faster track."

Hillary co-sponsored of a tax credit for production of flex-fuel vehicles. Clinton co-sponsored a bill that would provide a $150 per vehicle manufacturer tax credit to encourage the production of "flex-fuel" vehicles that are capable of running on 85% ethanol fuel, known as "E85."

Hillary co-sponsored an amendment to create a program to produce ethanol from municipal solid waste. Senator Clinton cosponsored an amendment that directs the Secretary of Energy to establish a program to provide guarantees of loans by private institutions for the construction of facilities for the processing and conversion of municipal solid waste into fuel ethanol and other commercial byproducts.

Previously, there was evidence that mandating ethanol production might negatively impact the economy in New York and some of Hillary's earlier votes on ethanol reflect that. But that is not an excuse for Obama to distort her record and her strong support for ethanol and other biofuels.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:45 PM
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5. Thanks rinsd
Obama has distorted her words and her record numerous times, and from what I can see, she's only laying out his votes and his record & he's taking offense.
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:47 PM
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6. Watch out the Taylor Marsh Spin Squad is out in full force
You can smell the stench!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:48 PM
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:51 PM
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10. Look in a mirror..
see that "D" on your forehead?
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:50 PM
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8. I think you caught a whiff of your own armpits there...
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:52 PM
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11. Taylor Marsh: Identify THIS woman.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:52 PM
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12. This wimp rolled over and played dead to Pres. Bush. nt
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:55 PM
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15. Hillary voted for the IWR, because she trusted Condi, and for Kyl/Leiberman. Who is
the wimp who rolls over for Bush again?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:54 PM
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13. Didn't take long for Hillary's attack dogs to attack yet another democrat. Sure hope Gore doesn't
endorse Obama. Absolutely no shame here, none.
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:56 PM
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16. where was Bill
Where was Bill in 2004 when Kerry was getting smeared left and right?

Oh yah, hoping Kerry would lose so Hillary could run in 2008.

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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:58 PM
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19. Good point. I guess he was at the same place he was at when Gore was getting railroaded
by the "recount".
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:55 PM
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14. Isn't Daschle
DLC?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:56 PM
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17. So is Hillary. What's your point, John? The point of the OP was the devisiveness
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 07:01 PM by K Gardner
of the Clinton's campaign. All people have done here is attack the messenger, who is delivering a message that has been delivered thus far by NUMEROUS high-ranking democrats. Yet to be heeded or taken seriously by the Clintons or anyone supporting them.
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Dem MS Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:59 PM
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20. agreed
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:03 PM
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24. K & R
:kick:
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:07 PM
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25. Ted Kennedy, Rham Emanuel, and now Daschle...
I'm praying for a tsunami of endorsements to stop the Billary trainwreck.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:26 PM
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26. Bill Clinton has turned off millions of Americans from Hillary's cause.
And that's sad. He has totally lost control.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:45 PM
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27. I hate to say it
but I agree completely with Daschle.

Daschle for all his faults, strikes me as a halfway decent person and I think he as well as many other Dems in the House and Senate are finally expressing their frustration over the fact that under Clinton's watch the party lost power in both houses of congress. True, Daschle did nothing to reverse this trend during Bush's reign - in fact he encouraged it.

But it's idiotic to think that's why he lost his seat. On the contrary. He was from South Dakota, which voted for Bush by a huge margin. Daschle lost during a presidential year. It was bound to be a tough race - and repukes claimed he stalled Bush's agenda.

In this case, Clintons statements have gone beyond nutty. I don't think anyone had a problem with him campaigning for his wife, but since he made his comment about George senior and him campaigning the world to make peace, he seems to have lost it. His attacks against Obama have been very unpresidential and in poor taste. Hell, some of his claims ("I was against the war from the start") are simply outright lies.
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