I read that this disgusting statement was made at an Obama campaign event:

[IndianaJones]

"Don't call me a homophobe, when I love everybody. Don't tell me that I stand up and I say vile words against the gay community because I don't. I don't speak against the homosexual. I tell you that God delivered me from homosexuality."


Is this true? Who would spew such hatred and why would they be performing at an Obama campaign event?

[DJ13]

1. You should get paid to post

They could call it "Trolling for Dollars"

[NYCGirl]

4. McClurkin pays Indy for all the publicity. NT

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. Is it true Hillary's husband signed the Defense of Marriage Act?

I don't see how I could vote for somebody who associates so closely with people like that.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. LOL! good one!

[mzteris]

7. except - it was still a HUGE STEP

forward.

Not enough. No. No where near enough. But it went as far as it could at that time in US history.

[Occam Bandage]

9. Explain to me how banning gay marriages was a step forward.

[mzteris]

18. ok - i'm stupid.

:blush:

For some reason I thought the post was about "don't ask, don't tell" . . .

[Critters2]

19. What?!! DOMA banned gay marriage!!

Huge step forward?! :wtf:

[mzteris]

31. see this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4156417&mesg_id=4157513

:hide:

[CoffeeCat]

20. Yeah, "Don't Ask Don't Tell" was a real boon...

...for the homosexual community!

Forcing the gay community to stay in the closet is so Progressive
and open minded!

:eyes:

[jackson_dem]

5. "Optimism" and "hope" Reagan and Obama style

Reagan had http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/19/opinion/19krugman.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Obama has http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dUp16hFzY8

[Hello_Kitty]

6. One of the 90% of Americans who believe a 2000 year old collection of Hebrew folklore?

People have used it to justify all kinds of atrocities. The top 3 candidates, including yours, enthusiastically embrace this bizarre delusion in public. They have to because Dumbfuckistan won't vote for them otherwise.

Oh and spare me the blather about how some people are True Christians(TM) and some aren't, based on whatever your arbitrary criteria is. Religion is at best silly nonsense, and at worst murderous mind-fuckery.

[tekisui]

14. I recommend this post in answer to every religious or *moral* based

question.

:thumbsup:

[Occam Bandage]

8. "I have long opposed governmental recognition of same-gender marriages."

President Clinton's signing statement for DOMA.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/scotts/ftp/wpaf2mc/clinton.html

[Gman]

10. How 'bout let's read the entire statement

President's statement on DOMA
Statement by President Bill Clinton

On Friday, September 20, prior to signing the Defense of Marriage Act, President Clinton released the following statement:

Throughout my life I have strenuously opposed discrimination of any kind, including discrimination against gay and lesbian Americans. I am signing into law H.R. 3396, a bill relating to same-gender marriage, but it is important to note what this legislation does and does not do.

I have long opposed governmental recognition of same-gender marriages and this legislation is consistent with that position. The Act confirms the right of each state to determine its own policy with respect to same gender marriage and clarifies for purposes of federal law the operative meaning of the terms "marriage" and "spouse".

This legislation does not reach beyond those two provisions. It has no effect on any current federal, state or local anti-discrimination law and does not constrain the right of Congress or any state or locality to enact anti-discrimination laws. I therefore would take this opportunity to urge Congress to pass the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, an act which would extend employment discrimination protections to gays and lesbians in the workplace. This year the Senate considered this legislation contemporaneously with the Act I sign today and failed to pass it by a single vote. I hope that in its next Session Congress will pass it expeditiously.

I also want to make clear to all that the enactment of this legislation should not, despite the fierce and at times divisive rhetoric surrounding it, be understood to provide an excuse for discrimination, violence or intimidation against any person on the basis of sexual orientation. Discrimination, violence and intimidation for that reason, as well as others, violate the principle of equal protection under the law and have no place in American society.

[Occam Bandage]

11. Hm. So...he's not in favor of violence against gays. Well, that makes it better.

[denidem]

12. Thanks, Gman. Talk about selective quotes...sheesh!

[mondo joe]

13. As a gay man, I wonder what Clinton's past action is supposed to mean to me

when I am confronted by the current indulgence by Obama of anti-gay bigots.

[Hello_Kitty]

15. Um, it means that you don't have marriage equity nationwide, maybe?

[mondo joe]

16. I'm pretty aware of the current situation and how it came to be. What I'm wondering

is what is that supposed to mean about current activities in the 2008 campaign.

Thanks.

[Hello_Kitty]

17. Any of them talking about repealing it?

[mondo joe]

24. All 3 have said they are in favor of repealing Section 3 of DOMA, as I recall.

[Hello_Kitty]

25. Not real familiar with the text of the law but, why not the whole thing? nt

[mondo joe]

27. First of all, the President doesn't have the power to do a thing with it,

other than sign a full repeal if Congress delivers it to him/her.

Secondly, my answer would have morwe to do with the politics than anything else.

[Critters2]

21. It's a law. So, it is in effect currently.

Much more damaging than Obama's hobnobbing with a bigot.

[mondo joe]

22. Not more potentially dangerous to my family's future, however.

[Critters2]

23. Really? A jerk on a dias is more dangerous to your future than a law

that says gay people can't be married? Pardon my confusion.

[Alexander]

26. LOL, good one.

[mondo joe]

29. Yes, other people without legal equality are funny, aren't we?

[Critters2]

33. I'm actually arguing that your lack of legal equality IS the issue.

Far more dangerous than a bigot on one stage at one event.

[mondo joe]

38. You are taking an academic approach to my life. And you are minimizing

the threat, not of having a bigot on stage, but of having a Presidential candidate beholden to a group of people that he communicates with by giving that bigot a free platform.

Disagree if you like, but please don't minimize what this means to gays and lesbians, or what Obama does by giving these bigots his blessing.

[Critters2]

40. Clinton signed A LAW taking away your rights!!!

How could ANYTHING be bigger than that?!!

[mondo joe]

41. What could be bigger than that is what's yet to come.

And if you can't be bothered to hear the real concern from real people whose modest rights ARE in peril, then don't. Patronize away.

[Critters2]

42. I have been ACTIVELY involved in the fight for gay marriage

for years. I DO gay weddings, and catch all kinds of public crap for it--even to the point of being threatened for it. And the argument against my doing this is ALWAYS that it's ILLEGAL. And THAT is Bill Clinton's fault!!

[mondo joe]

45. Sorry friend, but my rights aren't just an abstract or a nice idea for me.

If you want to keep putting your ideas of what gay people should care about before what gay people ACTUALLY care about, go ahead. Your call.

I - and the people I know - are more concerned with what's coming that what's past.

[Critters2]

47. Gay people only, or all GLBT?

Cuz I qualify as GLBT, and I guess I missed the meeting where you were made our spokesperson. Someone should've e-mailed me.

[mondo joe]

48. I never suggested I was the spokesperson. It's quite dishonest of you

to say I did. I was very clear in talking about myself and the people I've talked with.

If you want to refer to the many other posts by other LGBT members on DU as well, go ahead. Your call.

[Critters2]

49. Other posts where people are more upset over McClurkin than DOMA?

Links, please?

[mondo joe]

50. I don't know why it's supposed to be a comparison.

Bill Clinton isn't running for the presidency.

But if you have missed the numerous posts by LGBTs who are DEEPLY troubled by McClurkin, you have to be purposefully trying to not see them.

[Critters2]

51. It's a comparison because YOU made it a comparison

Specifically with this post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4156417&mesg_id=4159950

But upthread from there, too. Don't back away from the position you've been arguing all along, which is that Donnie McClurkin's statements are a bigger threat to you than a law limiting your rights. Yes, it's a silly position, but it's yours.

[mondo joe]

52. I didn't make it a comparison - I responded to a question comparing the two.

I didn't bring it up.

But yes, having a president beholden to anti gay bigots is a bigger threat to me than laws that already exist. (Please stop misstating me. Thanks.)

[Critters2]

53. How in the hell is one speaker at one event a bigger threat

than a law that is ALREADY limiting your rights? It makes no sense. Oh, and you made it a comparison in the above post. Again.

[mondo joe]

54. You keep misstating what I said. Having a President beholden to religious

bigots is a bigger threat to me than whatever laws are on the books.

Not the McClurkin speech, but what Obama's use of it (and his other friend as well) represents: His willingness to beg religious bigots for suppotr at my expense.

You are unwilling to understand that, or are pretending to be.

[Critters2]

55. I disagree. McClurkin has no policital authority. He's one speaker

A law is a much bigger deal.

[mondo joe]

56. The law is already there. Obama's willingness to kiss bigot-ass is the

threat.

You keep making this about one speaker when it's not.

[Critters2]

57. What other "bigot-ass" has he kissed?

And the law is already there, making your marriage illegal. But that's not a problem? I'm not an Obama supporter, but even to me it looks like you're grasping at straws to discredit Obama.

[mondo joe]

58. The ass of every bigot that McClurkin's speech appealed to, as well

as Bush's spiritual adviser, Reverend Kirbyjon Caldwell, and all those Obama uses him to reach.

Is DOMA a problem? Sure. But it is known - what these fuckwads can do to make things WORSE is a bigger threat.

But what do I know? I'm just a "silly" gay man with "silly" concerns.

[Critters2]

59. I never called you silly. I said your argument is. And it still is.

But, apparently, you're fine with DOMA. You'd rather fight imaginary problems than ones that really exist.

[mondo joe]

60. If you persist in misrepresenting what I have said, there is no point continuing.

I never said I was fine with DOMA - I explicitly said I was not fine with it, and that it is a problem. Why you'd choose to lie about it is a mystery to me.

And I'd rather fight real problems than imaginary ones - but I also don't want to set up future problems.

You'd rather misrepresent what was said and belittle the real concerns of real gays. Good luck with that.

[Critters2]

61. If you're not fine with DOMA, what did you mean when you said

"The law is already there". Sounds to me like you're fine with it.

[mondo joe]

28. No. Having a president coming in who is beholden to religious bigots is

more dangerous to me than a law I've lived with for some years now.

[Critters2]

34. He's UCC. If a UCC president is too religious for you,

you'll never be happy. I don't see Christopher Hitchens getting elected any time soon.

[mondo joe]

39. Please try responding to what was actually written. I addressed Obama

being beholden to the bigots he is shoring up for his support.

I didn't say he is too religious,though which religion a person may be is not a reflection on how religious that person is.

[rodeodance]

30. Did you make that up??

[Scriptor Ignotus]

32. you're now the poster boy for being "deliberately obtuse" - eom

[CyberPieHole]

36. An Obama supporter who accuses others of being "obtuse". Pot. Kettle. Puce.

:hi:

[Scriptor Ignotus]

43. yea, like the OP had never heard about this issue before today

that type of disingenuous BS makes me sick. I can't speak for other Obama supporters, but I can call this guy out for his "shocked, just shocked I say" Vaudeville act.

The author of this post has numerous anti-Obama posts up today, and he's (she?) has been doing it for weeks if not months. Please, don't insult my intelligence.

[CyberPieHole]

35. That was Donny McClurkin the ex~gay minister who says "Gays can be PERFECTED"...

as long as they pray away the gay. So much for Obama wanting to embrace all Americans.:eyes:

[Radical Activist]

37. Another day, another flamebait from Indy

who moves on and makes another one line post instead of discussing anything seriously. I'm amazed the mods let this go on day after day.

[Apollo11]

44. If you ask me -- anyone who takes the Bible seriously is nuts.

But given that all the candidates running for President are claiming to be Christians, and all of them are hoping to attract votes from other Christians, I am not sitting here holding my breath waiting for one of them to point out that the whole Bible is a work of fiction.

None of the candidates is perfect, but I think Obama is probably best of the bunch.

[ProSense]

46. Here's a disgusting statement

Bill Clinton on Huckabee: "he is a very good man"

Puke!