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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:27 AM
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Where is the equivalent outrage for the Clinton Reagan "lovefest"?
Brokaw writes that Clinton “believes that modern conservatives such as Karl Rove are ‘obsessed’ with defeating her.”

“She prefers the godfather of the modern conservative movement, Ronald Reagan,” Brokaw writes on Page 404. “He was, she says, 'a child of the Depression, so he understood it . When he had those big tax cuts and they went too far, he oversaw the largest tax increase. He could call the Soviet Union the Evil Empire and then negotiate arms-control agreements. He played the balance and the music beautifully. "


This is absolutely disgusting and contemptible she is practically gushing at his abilities. But I guess the outrage at Obama was just faux outrage.


Shut up and sit down on this one Hillbots.


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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:32 AM
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1. well?
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:33 AM
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2. It is apples and oranges.
Let us get real. Whether Obama intended it or not, he gave
gave AL Froms DLC Talking Points. But did it clumsily.

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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:35 AM
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3. well lets make it simple for you..
situation A: Tom Brokaw says
Situation B: Obama says it.
I see a difference..
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:38 AM
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4. It is Hillary;s quote.
Not Brokaw's
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:39 AM
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6. well...I can say "perky said X" that doesn't make it true
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:02 AM
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10. Brokaw made up the quote?
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:52 PM
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18. Holy shit.
Now the quote was made up ?

Unreal, Hillary supporters are brain dead.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:38 AM
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5. I don't think there will be much outrage from now on because most Democrats are already polarized.
Doubt that many change their minds until candidate is chosen.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:49 AM
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8. I agree with you
I wonder if many will be able to come together after we've chosen the nominee.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:49 PM
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16. I think so. Most, but some of the most progressives will be bitter if
Edwards doesn't win nomination. The Party never seems to pay attention to the progressives.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:54 PM
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19. Yes they do
When they are looking for someone to blame when they lose. They do not see, hear, or speak about us otherwise.

We've been blamed for every loss since Kennedy was shot, and equally-ignored. But for some reason, we OWE them our votes.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:22 PM
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34. Bingo bango, you hit nail on the head. nm
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:47 AM
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7. Hillary's A Diva
and that's all that matters. Get with the program.
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:52 AM
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9. Crickets chirping while we wait for the outrage...what a great post! nt
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:17 AM
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11. I suppose one person's analysis is another person's lovefest.
I suppose one person's analysis is another person's lovefest.

I imagine that one person's critique is another person's gush.

I would bet that one person's "Shut up and sit down.." is another person's... well-- that's just bad form. No other way to interpret that one.

But, as you seem to be speaking from a position of absolute authority on interpretive and subjective differences regarding the political stage, I'll defer to your obvious depth and breadth of wisdom.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:24 AM
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12. I belive in caling hypocrisy what it is: HYPOCRISY
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:31 AM
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13. As I said, I'll defer to your...
As I said, I'll defer to your infinite and absolute knowledge on interpretive issues.

For myself, I recognize that I'm wrong far more often than I'm right and act accordingly-- but I imagine that's a problem not too many are familiar with these days...

In the autobiography of Benjamin Franklin, he wrote of how he made a point to qualify almost everything he said or wrote with phrases such as, "I think", "I am of the opinion that...", or "my belief is..."

Although I imagine that must sound awfully old fashioned these days, it's something I think is a wonderful idea as it appears to preempt both sounding pompous and officious and coming off as an ass-- which I'm sure simply isn't the case in this instance.
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:24 PM
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15. What, in your pedantic post-modernist verbiage, are you trying to say? nt
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:29 PM
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26. Different people see things in different ways.
Different people see things in different ways. Perspective is mostly relative and that a person who advertises an absolute truth is either trying to sell something or unwilling to accept that "There is more knowledge in heaven and earth than in your philosophies..."

Hope that helps.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:05 PM
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14. Once again the Hillbots take a vacation from reality!
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:51 PM
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17. The Hillary supporters are hypocrites
do you need to know more ?

Bill praises Huckabee, and Hillary praises Reagan ...all is ignored.
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:59 PM
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20. What's that saying about two wrongs....
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 04:03 PM by BringEmOn
A plague on both your houses! Vote for Kucinich or Edwards.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:03 PM
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21. Another reason to vote for John Edwards
He knows who his friends are. Good point Perky.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:03 PM
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22. No link? There must be a reason for no link. Out of context?
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:12 PM
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24. Her own web page cites Reagan favorably.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:23 PM
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25. Here you go
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:33 PM
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27. Nope. Where is the link to Brokaw's book showing Hillary Clinton's exact words....
....praising Reagan. I want to see the context of this "praise" that Hillary Clinton heaped on Reagan.....
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:34 PM
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28. but the book...Go to Borders.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:42 PM
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29. You "but" the book. You are quoting from a book you haven't got or read?
Did you maybe copy and paste from a Hillary hate site?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:00 PM
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30. Here's a link to another NYT article that quotes the bulk of it
"At the debate, Mr. Obama said that Mrs. Clinton had “provided much more fulsome praise” of Reagan in Tom Brokaw’s new book, “Boom!,” in which she is quoted as saying: “When he had those big tax cuts and they went too far, he oversaw the largest tax increase. He could call the Soviet Union the Evil Empire and then negotiate arms-control agreements. He played the balance and the music beautifully.”



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/us/politics/22truth.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:01 PM
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31. Here
"At the debate, Mr. Obama said that Mrs. Clinton had “provided much more fulsome praise” of Reagan in Tom Brokaw’s new book, “Boom!,” in which she is quoted as saying: “When he had those big tax cuts and they went too far, he oversaw the largest tax increase. He could call the Soviet Union the Evil Empire and then negotiate arms-control agreements. He played the balance and the music beautifully.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/us/politics/22truth.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:11 PM
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23. Just as mad. Not as surprised.
Hillary doesn't seem like a Democrat in the first place.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:02 PM
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32. or the Clinton-Poppy Love fest?
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:07 PM
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33. I promise you, I'm outraged whenever ANYBODY praises Reagan.
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