Hillary found her voice in NH and lost it in South Carolina

[grantcart]

The most important message of the night was: I approve everything Bill is saying and its

going to get a lot more combative.

I could be wrong but I can only think that their internal polls are showing a disaster for South Carolina

and they are getting ready for a street fight before Super Tuesday

[Unsane]

1. Couldn't agree more; she hurt herself badly tonight.

[grantcart]

2. do you think she was indicating a more brutal style in the future?

[Unsane]

6. hopefully

because she damages herself greatly.

[BeatleBoot]

3. She was overshadowed by

Obama trying to explain himself.

You know, "I wouldn't have voted for it", while he wasn't there to vote for it to begin with.

"I was against the war, before I was able to vote against it", type of thing.

Little stuff like that.

[Bonobo]

4. The candidate I would least like to have a glass of wine with.

[Colobo]

5. She looked angry, aggravated and desperate.

[grantcart]

7. my question is why

only thing I can surmise is that the internals are looking bad. If she was sitting on good news she wouldn't have reacted so antagonistically.

[Cha]

35. She can't control herself

or she would have come off more presdiential and less fightclub.

[caligirl]

8. I said this a few days ago, she found a voice- Bills. She hurt herself, Edwards won.

[grantcart]

9. so cali the question is what has caused them to lose their NH

touch. Are the internal polls in SC showing a disaster?

[caligirl]

11. great question. I love good ones like this. Well I think she was

looking at Feb 5 tonight. She has written off SC. I bet Edwards pulled many votes from her tonight for Saturdays race and for Feb 5. I think its Obama's broader appeal across all sectors. I don't think Hillary has that. I think she was trying to provoke him into making a major mistake in advance of Feb 5, instead she shot herself in the foot with a shrill performance. Probably Obama is gaining in the internals in the Feb 5 states. He has been climbing here in Cali. while she has been dropping, and a large Latino group in LA has endorsed Obama last week. I have no real political insight.

[grantcart]

13. well the only thing i disagree with is that you have no real political

insight. What makes it so interesting is that I don't think she was off her game. I think it was entirely intentional.

[caligirl]

23. Its likely this was intentional, the Clintons are all polititcs all the time-

She said this will be a national security election, and the repug's are doing that 'well I'm more John Wayne' than the next guy in their own primary. She's out to prove that she has just as tough a set of balls as any man, southern or otherwise.

[Cha]

36. You may have no real political

insight, caligirl but I didn't know a large Latino group in LA endorsed Obama..that's great news!

[grantcart]

37. just curious what group was that?

[Cha]

38. I would like to know, too?

We'll have to wait until cali-girl gets back..

I found this..maybe this is what she meant..although I read about it earlier it's good to be reminded:)

Obama gets major labor endorsement
Durazo, L.A. County federation head, cites hopeful's background as part of her motivation.
By Robin Abcarian, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
January 16, 2008
The head of the politically powerful Los Angeles County Federation of Labor said Tuesday that she is endorsing Barack Obama for president.

The endorsement by Maria Elena Durazo is a coup for Obama that could help the Illinois senator in his uphill struggle against Hillary Rodham Clinton to win substantial support among Latino voters in Southern California. Obama has won the backing of other Los Angeles-area Latino leaders, but this is probably his biggest such endorsement yet, given the broad reach of the county labor federation

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-labor16jan16,0,656548.story?coll=la-home-centernd

[grantcart]

39. interesting latest field poll shows Obama has moved to 12 points behind Hillary

Clinton 39
Obama 27
Edwards 12

Undecided 20

[Cha]

40. Shows ya how much that article

in Germany knows..a hilary brought it on and it says the end of the Obama Revolution..it's all about hilary now and how much she can be trusted or some such dribble. It obviously was written by someone who was fed talking points by a former US president..wonder who that was?

[caligirl]

44. thats it, sorry I just got back to DU. I posted the article above then saw your post.

[caligirl]

43. from the LA times Jan 16, 2008

Obama gets major labor endorsement

Durazo, L.A. County federation head, cites hopeful's background as part of her motivation.
By Robin Abcarian, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
January 16, 2008
The head of the politically powerful Los Angeles County Federation of Labor said Tuesday that she is endorsing Barack Obama for president.

The endorsement by Maria Elena Durazo is a coup for Obama that could help the Illinois senator in his uphill struggle against Hillary Rodham Clinton to win substantial support among Latino voters in Southern California. Obama has won the backing of other Los Angeles-area Latino leaders, but this is probably his biggest such endorsement yet, given the broad reach of the county labor federation.



As executive secretary-treasurer of the federation, Durazo heads an organization of more than 800,000 union members, the biggest regional labor group in California. It includes janitors, teachers, construction and hotel workers as well as supermarket and government employees.

Durazo said her endorsement, to be formally announced today, was a personal one. She is taking a leave of absence from her job to campaign for Obama through Feb. 5, when more than 20 states, including California, will conduct primaries or caucuses.

"My passion is the labor movement, and I believe very strongly that Sen. Obama is very clear about his support for workers who want to organize, workers who want to lift themselves out of poverty, and also protect good middle-class jobs," Durazo said in a phone interview before taking an evening flight to Nevada, where she will work for Obama through the state's Saturday caucuses.


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www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-labor16jan16,0,656548.story?coll=la-home-center - 50k -

[papau]

10. I agree - Obama wins SC - but as the "black candidate" - as Hillary points to 2/5

[AtomicKitten]

12. She needs to focus on using her carefully modulated inside voice.

[K Gardner]

15. ROFL. Good one. I wonder what happened to the NH Diner Voice, or the Christmas

Card Voice, or the faded/shadowed/blurred Hillary-face ad Voice. Sybil was back tonight !

[AtomicKitten]

16. *

[grantcart]

19. You forgot the label NH on the left SC on the right lol

[grantcart]

17. yes but do you think

1) she was off her game and it was accidental


or


2) something is up and it was intentional?

[K Gardner]

29. I think it was most definitely intentional. There is absolutely

nothing left to chance with the Clinton Machine. Every word, every blink, is contrived. I do think she was unprepared for Obama to stand up to her. After she manipulated the pity vote in NH, she expected him not to take her on. That might have backfired. Otherwise, she did what she set out to do.. I just don't think it's going to have the desired effect. Obama didn't lose anything, she did. One thing we have yet to see is how all these sound bites will be spun by the MSM tomorrow. It could tilt it back her way if they are still intimidated. Remember, she had all her special interest groups writing to MSNBC and other media outlets to protest the way people "treated her". We'll see if the "treat hrc with kid glove" approach is still in effect tomorrow.

Still laughing about the Sybil pictures !!

[grantcart]

30. we agree i think it will back fire especially in the african american community

[Renew Deal]

14. Making Bill the front man for her campaign is ultimately bad.

Because it makes you wonder who you're voting for.

[grantcart]

21. but they don't do it by accident

[Renew Deal]

25. You're correct

Short term it may help. Long term it makes Hillary look weak. people will not stand for it forever.

[grantcart]

27. the ironies are endless but the one that may top them all is

is that if Hillary loses it will almost certainly be because they didn't follow the bush example of having the previous president hang back say nice things about gov bush and stay out of the fray.

bush out strategizing Clinton priceless

[BenDavid]

18. hRC did what was needed and got her points across against

obama. HRC was not playing to the sc crowd, hrc was playing to the national audience in those 2/5 states and she did herself very good tonight. Showing the differences in her and obama and the incoherent responses obama gave on issues ie health care, credit card vote, missed votes......Bill clinton has gotten into obama's mind and it showed tonight....Said all weekend that obama was JUKED by Bill and obama fell for the oldest school yard ploy and then once he started in on bill, hrc was there to cut his legs out from under him and she did and this will pay off in those big states on 2/5.....

[grantcart]

20. so you don't see this as abandoning the tone set in NH?

[suston96]

22. She was tough, direct, and to the point and very effective.

She thinks fast on her feet compared to the sputtering Obama who continues to ambiguate on what are very simple questions or topics.

[grantcart]

24. right and completely unempathetic

completely unaware of her audience and 180 degrees from where she was in NH. Other than that she did great.

[suston96]

28. Empathy? In a political debate? Uh, she tried empathy before and was ridiculed.....

She was playing to her base - who want her to be a strong if not powerful, unyielding woman, submitting to no pressure from any direction.

[grantcart]

32. ridiculed? in NH it was largely credited for winning the election for her

It was the Clinton campaign that came out with the cheesy slogan "she found her voice in New Hampshire"


the fact is voters don't like the strongest most intelligent voice. Ultimately they want someone who connects with them, not talks down to them. Thats what she had in NH and is now gone. Bill Clinton was unusual in that he could talk policy and connect at the same time.

[suston96]

33. I think I'll wait for the gameday and see what happens.

A whole bunch of black/hispanic Republicans were nervously critiquing the debate and other race topics on CNN. Very nervous and screechy.

Hillary didn't lose her voice. I heard everything she said without my wireless headphones. I could even hear and see Obama sputterinh is unrehearsed replies to very simple topics.

[grantcart]

34. no i agree its the same old voice the voice she was using in NH was a sham

[robbedvoter]

26. Only if you mean - literally - having a sore throat. otherwise - she was great as always.

[grantcart]

31. always great hmm nice to have an objective voice

[ronnykmarshall]

41. She didn't sound like she had a cold to me.

I was worried after her victory speech in Las Vegas cuz she sounded like she was losing her voice. But I think she sounded fine.

Probably some nice warm tea helped.

[Nimrod2005]

42. Now, time to shut the fuck up!

[grantcart]

45. ah yes another articulate well reasoned argument from

a Clintonbot whats the problem didnt get the talking points memo from Billary?