Frankly, Senator Obama, I do not want evangelical bigots voting for my candidate.

[LibraLiz1973]

So, no need to go after the evangelical right wing freakos.
Saying your Christian does NOT make you Christian.
I do NOT want to court the evangelical bigots.

I don't need to join forces with those fucktards for any reason.

[oviedodem]

I am a dem and a church goer and your comments are

frankly gross and quite septic in its tone.

[davidinalameda]

3. welcome to DU

you'll find the anti-faith forces on here quite vocal

thank goodness for the alert feature

:hi:

[LibraLiz1973]

12. Pardon me. But what did you find ANTI faith about my statements?

[LostinVA]

100. You wrote anothing anti-faith

[RetroLounge]

7. Are you a evangelical right wing freako or a Fucktard?

If not, then I guess it wasn't pointed at you.

Welcome to DU, I guess.

RL

[TankLV]

13. SURE you're a DEM...and, NO, if that's YOUR view - then you can go to the HELL of your BELIEFS!

If you take exception to it - then you must agree with these RELIGIOUIS ASSHOLES!

[midlife_mo_Jo]

32. There are many evangelicals who care about social justice!

[Chovexani]

48. And they are not included in "evangelical bigots"

But thanks for playing.

[LibraLiz1973]

54. Oy Vey... thankfully some people understood the OP.

But it's posts like that which make me wonder whether people really READ posts or just jump in and start shit.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

64. It's obvious the OP doesn't want Obama courting evangelicals. Period.

All evangelicals are bigots to some people around here.

[Perky]

71. Who said eveangelical Bigots during the Debate No one. You are the first to use that term.

[David Zephyr]

49. Welcome to the DU, oviedodem.

:hi:

You'll use to the phenomena here of "false outrage" about Obama by Hillary's supporters.

A hearty welcome.

[WillTheGoober]

1. Wow --

I was surprised by that.

[sharp_stick]

2. As long as it gets a Dem in office

I don't give a shit how those pricks get used. Honestly they're used to getting used, just look at the shit the repukes have been feeding them the last 25 years?

[krabigirl]

74. No thanks. I don't want to court those misogynist homophobes either. (the freaky ones i mean)

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[readmoreoften]

15. So you're a Jew and a right-wing evangelical christian?

Why would you take offense?

[bullwinkle428]

25. I'm a Reform Jew and took no offense at all to the OP!

[Joe the Revelator]

43. Its the view of some that religion is silly and disgusting.

[sandnsea]

4. We've been screaming for liberal Christians to stand up for years

Now Obama does that and you crucify him.

[LibraLiz1973]

9. LIBERAL Christians. He was talking about EVANGELICAL Christians

who disagree with many (true) Democratic beliefs on important issues- specifically involving gay rights.

[Orangepeel]

19. wasn't JImmy Carter an evangelical? n/t

[Bluerthanblue]

67. indeed he IS-

and he is a kind and caring man.

[Orangepeel]

68. oops! I didn't mean to start a rumor of his demise

:D

Thanks!

I meant while he was president

[Bluerthanblue]

82. heh-

no problem here.

I'm trying hard to not say things I'd regret.

Sorry if I came off as snarky-


:hi:

peace~

[avaistheone1]

83. Carter didn't wear his religion on his sleeve and pander it the way Obama does.

Puke.

[SoxFan]

85. Oh, I beg to differ

I'm guessing you weren't alive during the '76 campaign.

Carter took a lot of flack from many northern liberals (mainly supporters of Udall, Church, and Harris) for his overt displays of religiosity. Many northerners were in a tizzy, thinking he was a stealth version of George Wallace.

[avaistheone1]

88. I don't think so. Link please....

Carter never acted so boastfully about religion in his campaign.

[SoxFan]

91. Read "Marathon"

It's a book by Jules Witcover that chronicles the 1976 campaign from Watergate to the general election. It's a long book, but it is a fascinating read.

There is a lot of material that discusses the cultural gap that Carter faced once he broke out as a national candidate. There were elements of his political style that made sense in the Georgia context that didn't translate in places like Pennsylvania and Mass. Likewise, Udall, a liberal Mormon, was DOA in much of the South. Meanwhile, you had Scoop Jackson and Hubert Humphre laying claim to blue collar Catholics.

The book is out of print, but many decent size libraries have a copy (or can find one via interlibrary loan). The book is one of the most important works on modern political history, and it will show you that Carter was not the liberal icon back in the early days of his national career.

[avaistheone1]

93. Actually I was involved in Carter's '76 campaign and lived in Mass

and did Not observe any religious overtones from the Carter campaign whatsoever.

I also followed the campaign into New Hampshire, and still there was no religious pandering from Carter.

[SoxFan]

94. A bigger issue in Florida

Where he beat back Wallace for the Southern conservative Dem vote.

You'll also recall that Carter got his ass handed to him in the Mass primary when Scoop Jackson obliterated him in conservative Dem strongholds like Southie. Part of this was attributable to cultural discomfort.

[sandnsea]

23. Who did you think they were going to go talk to??

Evangelicals to get them to change their thinking. That's the whole point. That's what Obama does.

[TankLV]

60. let us know when he opens a dialogue with RACISTS...

- crickets chirping -

[Recursion]

95. I think you may not know what "evangelical" means

"Evangelical" is a particular subset of Christianity, and it is by no means synonymous with "conservative" or "fundamentalist" (note that there are even liberal fundamentalists).

[mondo joe]

21. Liberal Christians - not Bigot Christians like Obama has been racking up on his side.

[sandnsea]

24. It takes liberal Christians to go change the bigot Christians

That's the point of it. If you don't change the bigot Christians, why say anything at all.

[mondo joe]

26. Oh nice strategy - you mean Obama is CHANGING McClurkin?

Wow.

[sandnsea]

29. Yes he goes into black churches and confronts homophobia

Which you'd know if you read what he said instead of listening to stupid propaganda.

[mondo joe]

31. He confronts it by setting up bigoted liars with a free platform. Gee, maybe John Edwards

should try having a KKK spokesperson.

[krabigirl]

75. I just want religion OUT of American politics!!!!

[Mutineer]

5. He's trying to counter all the BS going around about how he is

really a Muslim. I've gotten at least 5 emails in my inbox telling me he's a Muslim. I guess it's okay with you that he allows others to continue to smear him.

[LibraLiz1973]

17. I guess if you want to read something else in to my statement, you are more than welcome

to do so.
I said NOTHING about HIS faith. I said NOTHING about the Muslim lie that is going around.
I said that I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HIM SAYING HE WANTS TO COURT EVANGELICALS WITH DIFFERENT BELIEFS THAN MOST DEMS.

Open a window to those people, and they will take over the party.

Sorry, I'm standing STRONG for my beliefs.

[Mutineer]

22. Different beliefs than most dems. . .

which means that he wants to welcome progressive Christians? It's no secret that such people are NOT welcome here at DU. Christian=Bad right? There are actually plenty of liberal Christians in this world who do vote for Dems but they certainly aren't welcomed here. But go ahead and insult them--that will really win votes in November won't it?

[LibraLiz1973]

27. I REPEAT: SAYING you are Christian and BEHAVING like one are two different things.

I'll be blunt.

NO, I do NOT want faux Christians here on DU, with their bullshit agendas that are BIGOTED and WRONG. It isn't CHRISTIAN to attack gays. You can color what I said any which way you like, but, what I was saying is that I DO NOT WANT TO PANDER TO THOSE FAKE CHRISTIAN ASSHOLES & TRY TO GET THEM TO VOTE WITH US.

I think their behavior is DISGUSTING and I stand by that no matter what anyone says. My belief system dictates that I stand for what I believe in. I believe in gay rights. PERIOD.

[IranianDemocrat]

6. he was saying that we shouldnt cede the faith issue to the far right

did you even listen to everything he said

[TankLV]

8. FUCK THESE RELIGIOUS ASSHOLES! WE don't WANT their

Tell them to take a HIKE goddammit!!!

[NJObamaWoman]

33. Truly Pathetic. I'm Christian & Proud of it.

Does that make me evil? So you don't want me apart of this party? I'm a Christian but I believe strongly in gay rights. Not all Christians in power are lead by Christ in terms of their actions to others.

[LibraLiz1973]

39. Re read the OP and the other things I have said in this thread.

I'm ALL FOR Christians, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Scientologists & every other religion WHO ARE TOLERANT supporting our candidates.
I am NOT going to support trying to obtain the Evangelical Christian votes. They do not believe in gay rights and I am NOT OKAY WITH THAT.

[TankLV]

41. I said "religiouis ASSHOLES"...

If being accepting of GBLT - unequivocally and unconditionally - no "love the sinner" crap - and that is TRULY your beliefs and you ACT and SPEAK accordingly, then more power to you...

what we don't want is the fucking ASSHOLES who condemn the GBLT community and the people who try to "woo" them.

If you're not one of these ASSHOLES, then of course I'm not speaking to YOU and welcome YOU - but if you protest what I've been saying and have said above, then we certainly KNOW what you are and where you can go..

[NJObamaWoman]

56. Yes not every Christian is like that is all I'm saying.

I just hate how I get from some people of the GBLT community that all Christians are after them. Thats not true I don't care who the hell someone sleeps with. Thats none of my business and I have no right to judge anyone. What I'm angry at is how many of this party seem to want to bash Christians. Not all Christians are the same we aren't evil or out to get anyone.

[TankLV]

63. Then we're NOT talking about YOU or people LIKE you, are we?

NEITHER is the OP...

so you are should be in TOTAL AGREEMENT with the OP and me...

[GoldieAZ49]

73. I agree with you NJObamaWoman

The Big Tent Party must make room for all or it isn't a big tent.

Being so harshly judgmental/hateful against homophobic people isn't much different than being homophobic.

It is just the individual poster. I have friends that are both gay and Christian.

[Rockholm]

72. "I'm a Christian BUT I believe in gay rights?

Actually, if that were true, you WOULD have phrased it "I am a Christian AND I believe in gay rights."
You need to be here a while to understand this board and religion. There are many (and I do mean MANY) people of FAITH (not religion) here that want, seriously and truly want, there to be a taking back of faith from the right-wing moralists. The right-wing has taken faith and religion and made it into an us-vs-them thing. The whole "war on Christmas" is a right-wingers wet dream. There is no "war on Christmas."
Don't take offense and listen and learn....and understand.

[krabigirl]

76. As long as you are cool with the separation of church & state, I'm cool with you.

[Occam Bandage]

10. Fortunately, you are not in charge of anything.

[jody]

11. So you only support people who are irreligious! What a condescending attitude.

:puke:

[LibraLiz1973]

20. Do you have bricks between your ears?

Irreligious? Umm, what?

Again... SAYING you are Christian and BEHAVING like one are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

[jody]

28. Are you unable to answer my question? n/t

[mondo joe]

34. Your reading comprehension skills are lacking. Go back and re-read the OP.

Your conclusion could not reasonably be drawn from it.

[LibraLiz1973]

35. I thought your question was idiotic in view of my OP.

But, I support any and all religions. I DO NOT support people who use their faith as a reason to attack gays.

[jody]

40. My question was not idiotic but your answer is. You say "I support any and all religions" but

then reject any religion that believes a particular life style is inconsistent with your personal belief.

What a contradiction. :puke:

[LibraLiz1973]

50. I do reject religions and "religious" people who promote intolerance

toward my gay brothers and sisters.

And I am proud of that.

[jody]

55. Then you were wrong in saying "I support any and all religions". What other statements have you made

that are wrong?

[bartholomewjohn]

14. If Obama is great, why should it matters if loonies vote for him?

Would their votes magically make him a bad one?

[ProSense]

16. Hillary should stop

paying those religious bigots.

[TankLV]

18. Let me know when he "reaches out" to the RACISTS, then we can BEGIN to talk...

still fucking PANDERING...

DISGUSTING...

you all TRYING to defent this should all be ASHAMED...you just don't fucking GET IT!!!

[Recursion]

96. I consider Pat Robertson racist; Obama reached out to him

Went on his show and had a fairly decent dialog.

[Josiah1982]

30. I dont want that either. I can get that by voting for Huckabee.

[TheJizzaking]

36. You

don't want people to vote for your candidate?

Has anyone ever explained to you how elections work? Remember 2000?

[NJObamaWoman]

37. I'm a Christian and not a bigot. I'm down right angry at this post

Not all Christians are bigots. We all don't hate Jews, Atheists, Gays etc. This country was founded on religious tolerance. This party was suppose to be about accepting EVERYONE and you are proving its not.

[LibraLiz1973]

44. Read into it whatever you will. You seem determined to do so.

[Bluerthanblue]

47. welcome to DU- and please understand that this post is

ONE single persons view.

They do not speak for the Democratic party.

And in this case- they do NOT speak for me-

I'm sorry this place is like this.

Peace~

[NJObamaWoman]

58. Thanks I'm just frustrated at this party.

[Bluerthanblue]

38. then good luck finding a candidate to vote for- cause they are ALL

prostituting themselves LibraLiz.

and you are a fool if you don't understand that.


You need to spread your outrage more honestly- you sound like a bigot when you pick on ONE of three self- defined "christians".

may you understand
Peace~

[LibraLiz1973]

42. Respectfully, I am addressing the ONE candidate that just said

he wanted to bring the Evangelicals along.

[krabigirl]

78. Well, Gravel is a Unitarian..

[proud2BlibKansan]

45. And some of us will take EVERY VOTE we can get.

Who cares what religion the voter follows? Sheesh.

[LibraLiz1973]

46. Proud2b... it isn't about the religion so much as the beliefs they have

on some very important issues.

[proud2BlibKansan]

52. Again. I don't care.

Their votes are exactly the same as the votes of the people who have beliefs you share.

Would you honestly encourage them to vote against your candidate? What if their votes could win the election for your candidate?

[LibraLiz1973]

62. By this logic we should start pandering to the KKK for votes too.

I'm sorry- some votes don't mean as much to me as others.
I'm not going to get behind courting the rabid Evangelicals who are anti-gay.
I am allowed to have that opinion.

Would I encourage them to against my candidate? No. I do not think I would have to.

The rabid evangelicals I am speaking of would NEVER vote for a Democrat. At least not one that believes in gay rights and a womans right to choose.

[proud2BlibKansan]

65. I am not recommending pandering

I am just pointing out that it is silly to reject votes.

[LSK]

59. definately agree with you

[Renew Deal]

51. Evangelical does not equal bigot

Because bigots won't vote Democratic anyway

[Barack_America]

53. Frankly you're going to have to accept that they are Americans too.

Your choice is either to try to bring them into the Democratic party, or you can leave them in the Republican party and live under the constant threat of Republican control. That is your choice.

You cannot dismiss their existence
You cannot dismiss their right to vote

[Bluerthanblue]

61. very well and civilly

said-

I'm so angry right now I can't speak.

peace~

[TankLV]

66. No -- we can & SHOULD demonize them and make it so uncomfortable for these ASSHOLES that they will

be as afraid to express their bigotry as we gay persons are to show our LOVE and AFFECTION for each other IN PUBLIC...

WE should not REST until this is the REALITY...

you people just don't fucking GET IT!!!

[Perky]

70. That does not mean you should not want evangeelicals voting for yourcandidate.

[LSK]

57. I do

I would take no chances and am glad for every vote we can get.

[Perky]

69. Well that is just stupid Stupid STUPID

[krabigirl]

77. I agree, to a point. If they want to vote for him,. no problem. But if he panders, that's different.

I just want religion out of politics, period. I can dream, eight?

[Renew Deal]

80. You're supposed to ask people to vote for you.

He makes a valid point when he says politics is about expanding your side.

[angie_love]

79. um

Um I'm of christian faith and I take HUGE issue with your comments. So if someones a christian they can't be democratic? Pisser

[LostinVA]

101. She didn't say that at all, but you know that already

[rucky]

81. Lets fight the culture wars until every one of them is destroyed!

we'll build camps and everything

[Hippo_Tron]

90. I don't like our odds on that one

[Cha]

84. Your faux outrage at nothing is touching

but no one is buying except the hilarys.

[LibraLiz1973]

97. Your complete and total missing of my point is also touching.

It gave me a nice warm feeling.

[ClericJohnPreston]

86. Thats what I'm saying!

[ClericJohnPreston]

87. K&R

[avaistheone1]

89. Frankly, I want religion out of politics, and politics out of religion.

Obama looked weak with his religious pandering tonight.

[robbedvoter]

92. Separation of church and state is soo pre-2000 coup!

[NoBorders]

98. Perhaps he was just countering the 'Obama is a muslim' rumor

took the opportunity on a big stage to correct that bs.

[MadBadger]

99. Um, I want those bigots voting for my candidate. I'll take all the votes we can get.

They wont get anything out of their vote, but it will help him get elected.