So Hillary wants to garnish poor prople's wages to force them to buy health insurance from HMOs?

[Nimrod2005]

Oh man, that was not right...She is forcing people to buy coverage from her supporters? Humana, United Health Care, Cigna...etc.??

Is she fucked up in the head?

[fenriswolf]

1. just found this out?

[Nimrod2005]

13. Am watching the debate, Obama said it, I looked it up - WOW!

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. I don't know many people who can manage that. :^(

[bartholomewjohn]

3. No. Poor people would get SUBSIDIZED health insurance

I wish I was a moderator. I swear 70% of the threads wouldn't exist.

[sandnsea]

11. No she offers tax credits at the end of the year n/t

[CelloPaddy]

36. But if you are so poor that you don't file taxes, then what?

[Samantha]

15. Barack Obama said that and he does not have mandates

I did not hear Hillary say that, did she? Clinton and Edwards want mandates, Obama does not.

My question is if mandates dictate one's income can be garnished for non-payment of premium, what if all one has is Social Security? If that happens, that can be devastating to people barely squeaking by on $600 or $800 monthly. I have not heard that question answered, and I keep asking.

I think the subsidies make a lot more sense.

[1corona4u]

17. Why don't you go to their websites and read the plans....

just a thought.

[dflprincess]

18. And just what are the income limits for being eligible for subsidized health insurance?

Nobody seems to know. I have no doubt that the income caps will be ridiculously low - just as they are for existing programs.

But not to worry, the CEOs and shareholders in the insurance companies will continue to make out like bandits and the status quo will be safe.

[superkia]

25. I am guessing you grew up very poor or with money?

As a child, I faced this type of problem. My mother worked two jobs to keep a roof over our head and give us a little food and the government told her that she made too much money for any assistance. So I think we would still see the posts around here because obviously you haven't seen the world from everyones view. We all have lived through different situations but luckily some of us try not to judge things without playing devils advocate.

Mandatory health care like this will hurt many families and only guarantee the health care industry more and more money. I don't understand why people cant see this? If you make just over the amount to get help and all you get is a tax credit at THE END OF THE YEAR, that equals money taken out of your pay for insurance and food, clothes our housing lost.

These mandatory health care plans are horrible for the people that already get no assistance when they need it. When I grew up doctors and dentists were emergency only! I make decent money now but I know what its like to be in that position and we shouldn't be forced into it so the corporations can make a larger profit.

Heres a breakdown for you. If you make under $8,500 a year, we will give you help to pay for the insurance. If you make $8,501 a year, we will take the money from your paycheck and you can figure out how to pay for the rest of your bills or even a damn co pay to see the doctor.

[fenriswolf]

32. not to mention the families that would be hit hardest

are the ones that live paycheck to paycheck. I know im one of them and I would not be able to pay for mandatory health care.

[MH1]

4. Um, yes.

I haven't talked to anyone who's liked that idea yet.

I'm not sure where her votes are coming from or who the hell they're polling in PA that she's allegedly in the lead here.

[bartholomewjohn]

5. And the stupider and baseless the claim...the more recommendations it gets n/t

[bluerum]

6. So does Mitt Rummy.

[GreenArrow]

7. So does John Edwards

Mandatory health care schemes are unacceptable horseshit.

[OzarkDem]

8. Universal health coverage

Edwards plan lets people choose between govt. funded (Medicare, etc.) and private insurance (more expensive). He makes private insurance compete with public. The only candidate whose plan lets people choose.

[durrrty libby]

9. Maybe she will give you a brain transplant. You desperately need one

[Nimrod2005]

21. ROFLMAO

How will it be paid for?

[durrrty libby]

22. We will all chip in. How much can a goat's brain cost?

:shrug:

[Jed Dilligan]

23. Wow, is that carrying over from another fight

or is that spit of boiling venom an opening shot!?

[mondo joe]

10. No, there are subsidies for the poor.

[superkia]

26. What happens to the folks that make 10 dollars more than the...

limit and wont get the subsidies? I posted a response above explaining that this mandatory shit will hurt too many people but obviously, Americans that don't fall into those poor categories, just don't give a shit. Thats whats wrong with the country now, no one cares about their fellow neighbor, its only important when it affects them or theirs. Look at whats happening in our country, it will eventually hit all of you too.

Wake up sheeple of America!

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

[mondo joe]

27. Oh fuck your insulting "sheeple" comments. The people don't need you trying to "enlighten" us.

[superkia]

28. Listen, you posted a reply that was innacurate and misleading...

and I responded with the reality of the situation. If you cant handle reality, keep your head in the sand, no need to spread your misleading nonsense and attacks because YOU cant handle the truth. Maybe you should also consider the republican party because they don't understand the reality of poor people in this country either.

Now if you want to respond to my post like a normal person and with substance, go ahead.



P.S. Are you the rapper fat joe?

[mondo joe]

29. And you responded by calling the American people "Sheeple". Nice.

You don't know shit about Hillary's plan, much less its actual implementation should we get there.

For your information, I grew up poor - my every school meal was a Free Lunch. To this day, out of my entire extended family I'm the only one who went to college. Most of the family is still on welfare or working in menial labor. I furthermore have worked in healthcare for low-income people for nearly twenty years.

Poor people aren't sheeple. And you don't know shit about healthcare.

Night!

[superkia]

31. Ok so we rode a similar boat except the governmet said we...

made too much to get any assistance. Again your attacks don't make you right, it only shows ignorance. I don't think everyone is a sheep in the herd and most poor people know more about the reality of the country than people with money so I'm not sure where you are coming from.

I don't know what your profession has to do with the mandatory health care but I know from experience that people fall through the cracks and even someone like you that have been poor and worked with people like my family still don't see it? Maybe you are seeing red and only shooting off without actually thinking your thoughts through...I don't know but if you read my above post you would clearly see that it will hurt people that already have it bad.

If you have been there and know how the system works like you have told us, I would guess you wouldn't support mandatory programs like this, instead you make a statement that could mislead folks to vote for a candidate that may hurt them in the future.

The poverty threshold is adjusted each year. In 2006, in the United States of America, the poverty threshold for a single person under 65 was US$10,488; the threshold for a family group of four, including two children, was US$20,444.



Maybe you think a family of 4 making 21,000 isn't poor but I differ greatly with you if you do. You work with poor families on this issue so you should explain the system to people a little more than just:

"No, there are subsidies for the poor."

[Cha]

12. hilary is not making me pay

a fucking cent for health insurance.

[1corona4u]

14. No, she said they would be subsidized.

Get a grip. Go read her plan.

[bartholomewjohn]

20. DU is the #1 source of misinformation for the lazy researcher n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

16. so FDR wants to garnish my pay to force them to pay for

social security?

[hedgehog]

35. Yeah, but Social Security isn't owned by a private, profit making insurance company!

[GoldieAZ49]

19. Yes it is MANDATORY

If they don't buy it willingly they will be fined/penalized.

It's her way MANDATORY... sounds good huh?

[1corona4u]

24. Actually....

you are allowed to keep the insurance you have, or go with her plan. Go read her site before you start spewing out lies.

[superkia]

30. What if you make $10 more than the amount to get subsidies...

will you still get fined? If that is the case, her plan will be hurting poor people that already cant get assistance.

The poverty threshold is adjusted each year. In 2006, in the United States of America, the poverty threshold for a single person under 65 was US$10,488; the threshold for a family group of four, including two children, was US$20,444.


So if you are single and make $10,489 are you penalized if you don't get insurance or if there are 4 of you living with only $20,445 a year, would they be penalized? I think Americans that make allot more than that, don't understand what it will do to those who are already living in some very bad situations that most haven't seen and don't now.

[GoldieAZ49]

34. that is still MANDATORY

[Recursion]

37. Oh, I feel fine then :dripping sarcasm:

you are allowed to keep the insurance you have

What about people who don't have insurance now, can't afford it now, and can't afford to have it taken out of their paycheck now even if they do get it back in April?

We need access to health care not transfer of money from the poor to health insurance companies.

Do you honestly think these companies will then provide anything like an acceptable level of care to the very poor that they're going to be forced to take on?

[bunnies]

33. It doesnt really matter...

since she doesnt plan to implement her health insurance plan until the end of her 2nd term.

[Nimrod2005]

38. Excellent point, and I don't trust anything she says re ending the Iraq occupation!