Obama's whining is the Dean scream in slo mo

[MagsDem]

Every day brings another whine from this guy's campaign. Bill's beating up on me - whine! Hillary's going to campaign in FL just because I'm running campaign ads in Florida, but I got special permission from SC to campaign and FL! Special permission, just for me, me, me!! - whine! Just because I said Reagan was great and Bill wasn't doesn't mean you Dems should pick on me!! -- whine! NH wasn't fair. I lost, so it wasn't fair!! -- whine. And on and on and on!

Doesn't he get, doesn't his supporters get that this is the equivelent of the Dean scream in slo mo? Nothing, and I mean nothing could make him look less presidential than this non-stop whining and complaining. He looks like he can't play with the big boys and girls and looks more like he's running for president of his 6th grade class.

It's pathetic for him, and sorry to say, embarrassing for Dems in general at this point.

[thunder rising]

1. HIllary's wicked witches from the north easilly make for that. See 'ya after SC 'K

[1corona4u]

2. Yeah, whatever....

we all know Obama's going to win SC...no big deal, no consequence to Hillary.

[MagsDem]

4. SC isn't going to matter

She's way ahead of him in every super Tuesday state. He may win SC, but that is the last and probably only primary election he will win. I'm an Edwards supporter, but I really think the Obama folks need to get a grip on reality.

[ccpup]

7. okay, he may get Georgia, Colorado and certainly Illinois

but he can have them if we get California, New York, New Jersey, New Mexico, Arizona, Alabama, Connecticut, Oklahoma, Colorado, Utah, Missouri, Arkansas, Delaware, Idaho and Minnesota.

I think that's a fair trade, don't you?

[okasha]

24. Hillary will also get Texas,

though it's not a Super Tuesday state.

[ccpup]

30. and Pennsylvania in early March

[KennedyGuy]

18. SC is all ya got...

see YOU after Super Tuesday..

[BeyondGeography]

3. Asinine

[1corona4u]

8. I'll tell you what's asinine, this whole fucking election...

and it's all Obama's fault. IF he would held to his word that he was not going to run this year, it'd be a whole nother ball of wax. Maybe there would actually be some adults still in the race. Now, everyone just wants to shove Obama down our throats. If Obama wouldn't have ran, maybe Hillary wouldn't be the front runner. Did ya ever think about that?!? Maybe someone else would be. The whole dynamic would have changed. But he didn't care about that....selfish bastard.

I say fuck Obama. He went back on his word, and totally fucked up this whole election, just to prove a point. That a black man can become president. That's his goal, nothing more. He's only in this to make history, not for the good of the country. This country is more divided now more than ever, yet, he keeps spewing the unity bullshit, while ignoring the tension he is creating.


Unreal.

[bunnies]

11. "its all Obamas fault"

Obama = the new Clenis. "selfish bastard". Perfect.

[MagsDem]

15. I agree -- I'm offended that he is even running

I've worked with state legislators for years, and I can tell you I find it laughable that any of them would think that qualified them to run as POTUS. Yes, he has been a senator for 3 years now, but hell, he ran against Alan Keyes. Anyone could have beat the right wing nut Alan Keyes in IL. He might as well have run uncontested.

And now, Obama's campaign is convincing me he isn't even qualified to RUN for POTUS let alone BE POTUS. As is typical of most unseasoned politicians, he has a ridiculous ego. Yes, all politicians have huge egos, but believe it or not they usually get shaved down a bit through the rigors of campaigning. This guy is the biggest baby I have ever seen run for any federal office. And I have seen a lot.

The best advice I could give him would be to spend some time growing up, then come back in 8 yrs and try again.

[BeyondGeography]

31. Biden, Dodd, Richardson...all gone

Edwards, barely with a pulse. And it's Obama who isn't ready for prime time.

That's funny. Spend some time growing up.

[MagsDem]

42. He's a complete media creation

And yes, not ready for prime time. The media wants a race and dogfight between the first woman and the first black. That's why Edwards is being ignored as well. It's like the American Idol of presidental races. Pathetic, but there you have it. He is so clearly, obviously, not ready for prime time.

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[1corona4u]

27. Obama and his supporters are the racist....

69% of blacks, voting for a black man....I'd call that racist.

[BeyondGeography]

33. You don't see a human being, you see a black man

and you can't get past his race. Get help.

[1corona4u]

35. Do the black voters see a black man...

or do they see a white woman, whom they use to love?

I think you need the help.

[BeyondGeography]

39. Black voters are more than fair-minded and they have indulged the Clintons to no end

she was leading with them until SHE played the race card after he was successful. That's when her numbers cratered.

[1corona4u]

44. That's your fantasy...

but it's not the reality. Sorry. It just isn't. She didn't play the race card. That was just a bullshit spin to give them an excuse to shift to Obama. That's the reality.

[MagsDem]

28. LOL - so if you think Obama doesn't have enough

experience to be president you're a racist? IOW, it's just not possible for a black candidate to not have enough experience? Wow, that is some affirmative action. Personally, I wouldn't care if he was green, purple, or red... he still wouldn't have enough experience to be POTUS at this point.

[1corona4u]

29. It's impossible to state the facts...

if you do, you're a racist...it's no biggie to me. I expect as much from his supporters. It's a crutch for them.

[BeyondGeography]

38. "He's running just to prove a black man can be president."

That's a "fact" in your sad little book?

[1corona4u]

45. Then why does he talk about blacks...

more than whites. Why does he talk about the racial divide, why does he talk about 'making history' all the time, why does he talk about 'fixing the issues facing blacks' and not the ones that face whites?

Nope. Not buying it.

[BeyondGeography]

48. Another off-the-wall bit of stupidity from you

He has been running for almost a year now mostly in white-dominated states. Did he win Iowa because he talked more about blacks than whites? Place a strong second in New Hampshire because of it?

It's nuts, the bullshit you spew.

[1corona4u]

50. Not supidity, reality.

And I'm tired of going back and forth with you. You may not have anything better to do, but I do.

Have a nice night. Obama just got his ass ripped by John Edwards, and I don't even like John, and I was cheering him on!!

[AX10]

52. At least Hillary finished a full term in the Senate before running.

[LowerManhattanite]

54. I actually want to thank you...

...for letting us all know exactly where you uh...”stand”.

[kelligesq]

5. could be - the whining and attack on BC turned me right off.

but I never trusted him anyway.

Stupid to pick a fight with Big Dawg.

No matter what Big Dawg does, he's still loved.

I was at a speech he gave for Kerry Edwards -

A roar came up from the usually reserved people in the auditoriuym when he came out to the podium

he could be elected again if they would let him run for third term, believe me.

[pampango]

6. In campaigns if you respond, you're a whiner. If you don't, you're a wimp.

Go figure. ;)

[MagsDem]

9. Constantly complaining about your opponents

is not responding. It's complaining. He's not saying the other candidates are wrong, he is saying poor me.

[ccpup]

12. and now he's complaining about the Press

way to go, Obama. Biting the hand that's been feeding you soft balls and ignoring the skeletons clanking in your closet is not the best way to keep your media halo all nice and shiny.

Pedestal meet floor.

[JackORoses]

13. actually, he's saying that Bill Clinton is spreading lies about him

and noone questions it because he is a former President.

That's not whining. That's calling a Liar out on the carpet.

[MagsDem]

17. How's that working for him?

Turn on a TV lately? It's not.

[JackORoses]

10. You just aren't very intelligent, are you?

I think I will compile a list of the Hillarites who use "whining, crying, waaaaa, etc." in their posts.

Then the rest of us will know who we can actually have a meaningful debate with.

[MagsDem]

19. Actually, I think I am

And I'm not a Hillary supporter, I would prefer Edwards. But I call them as I see them, and Obama is sinking his ship and his supporters are adding the lead to the bow.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

14. Was Hillary's crying like Dukakis in the tank?

:eyes:

[Cameron27]

16. Hillary never cried.

[MagsDem]

20. Seemed to come across as genuine and sincere

... even to me, and Edwards supporter. He just doesn't have enough experience. She's been doing this for 30 yrs in some capacity (campaigning), and whether she IS sincere and genuine, she definitely knows how to appear to be.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

23. Maybe, maybe not.

But I don't see how Obama's legitimate complaints can be viewed as any worse than Hillary's emotional moment.

[MagsDem]

26. Well mostly because......

a) her "emotional moment" was about why she cares about the country, AND

b) his complaining is about him crying "poor me."

And I think you're mistaken if you think most people think his complaints are legitimate. I think they just make him look like he can't play with the big boys and girls. In the real world, the people I hear talking about it say that as well. He is becoming known as a whiner / complainer. That is the message he is sending people about himself. Remember, Dems and independents love Bill Clinton. Obama is not going to get anywhere whining about the Big Dog.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

34. What Hillary did could also be construed as a "poor me" act.

You even admitted upthread the possibility that she may not have been genuine.

[MagsDem]

43. I said she sounded genuine

She did not come across as poor me, and I think that was proven by her victory in NH. No, I can't get into her head to prove she was sincere, but she sounded like she was running because they issues really mattered to her. He comes off as sounding like the only thing that really matters to him, the only thing he gets upset about, is how he is being treated as a candidate. It's all about him. If you're watching the debate going on right now I would think it would be obvious. He hasn't stop whining yet.

[1corona4u]

32. Cause....he does it all the time??

It's getting really old...

[zulchzulu]

21. The biggest whiner has been Bill Clinton

Like a hot-headed, red-faced Little League parent yelling at the umpire, Bill Clinton has continued his legacy of trashing the American Presidency.

[MagsDem]

22. I think he comes off to most people as not taking any....

... prisoners. Not taking any bullshit. He sounds like he is lecturing more than whining. And let's face it, if Bill wasn't being effective, Obama wouldn't be complaining.

[kelligesq]

36. The Debate -O just started up with Hillary - he's cooking his own goose -

he's toast - arguing about what he didnt say and how it was misunderstood - accusing her of political games

a brawl right on tv

good For John Edwards !!!

GO JOHN!

[kelligesq]

37. a_hole. He doesnt stop arguing. so she just zinged him

with the slumlord Rezko.

hee hee hee

[MagsDem]

47. All he can do is make excuses

for all his crappy "present" votes. He's like the loophole king.

[Occam Bandage]

40. Candidate cries? Dean scream. Candidate laughs? Dean scream.

Candidate attacks others? Dean scream. Candidate says other candidate is attacking others? Dean scream.

Byah!

[LittleClarkie]

53. Candidate goes to the men's room. Dean scream. nm

I SAID, no message!

[Lilith Velkor]

56. Hillary gets caught in men's room with tampon-wrapper bomber joint. Gets my vote. n/t

I did NOT say, "nice tits!"

[teleharmonium]

41. swift boat legacy

After what they did to Kerry (and I really do mean "they" in the sense that we should all be able to agree), no Dem is going to let attacks go unanswered. I don't mind it when it seems decisive, but they need to remember not to fight the last war.

Maybe we all have different definitions of "whining", but from my perspective, Bill has been doing it.

Obama can handle all this and a lot more.

[MagsDem]

46. But that's the thing....

He isn't responding to them, he is complaining about them.

[ClericJohnPreston]

49. I feel your pain

As an Edwards supporter, we know what a true fighter for the public good looks like.

The naivete of Obamites to the reality of the press creating his aura, only to send him a knockout punch is almost laughable, if it weren't for the subtext. Can't they see that the elimination and marginalization of QUALIFIED, honest, candidates like Dodd, Richardson, Biden and Kucinich, is a loss for the whole Party? No, they like their selfish candidate, don't realize that after the TRUE nemesis to the Corporatocracy, Edwards, is also eliminated, only two CORPORATE alternatives remain.

That isn't by chance! Do you really think Obama challenges the status quo? That is my complaint about him, his bashing Democratic core concepts and icons, while pandering to the Right for crossover votes. That is absolutely PATHETIC!

All of this sound and fury is worthless. Hillary has a guarded closet and her laundry was aired long ago. But, Obama hasn't seen a thing yet. While receiving his free pass to this point, he will be NAILED shortly ala Dean. I have forseen his "Dean" moment coming for a long time and tonight wasn't the only time you will hear REZKO. Its coming February 25, to KNOCK Obama out.

That is what is selfish about Obama. His timing stinks, and he doesn't keep promises, which is a CHARACTER FLAW, as is buying a house through a known influence peddler. You sow what you reap Obama Nation ( or is that abomination? ).You sow what you reap.

Unfortunately, you have forced your bitter crop on all of US!!!

[ClericJohnPreston]

51. K&R

as a cautionary warning of what pride will do before the fall.

[ClericJohnPreston]

55. Kick again

for good measure!

[Cha]

57. Your post is a fucking pathetic desperate

attempt to boost up hilary cause she has nothin' but lies and more lies.