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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:02 AM
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Clinton responds to Obama's distortions
Factcheck: President Clinton on Sen. Obama's record
During today’s taping of Good Morning America, Sen. Obama accused President Clinton of making factually inaccurate statements.

has taken his advocacy on behalf of his wife to a level that I think is pretty troubling. He continues to make statements that are not supported by the facts. Whether it's about my record of opposition to the war in Iraq or our approach to organizing in Las Vegas. This has become a habit and one of the things that we're gonna have to do is to directly confront Bill Clinton when he's making statements that are not factually accurate.'

Actually, President Clinton’s statements about Sen. Obama are true. Yesterday, President Clinton said he observed voter suppression in Nevada:

There was a representative of the organization following along behind us going up to everybody who said that, saying 'if you’re not gonna vote for our guy were gonna give you a schedule tomorrow so you can’t be there.'

The Las Vegas Sun confirmed the tactics that President Clinton was discussing:

Take, for instance, the case of Ruben Beltran, a Culinary member and Clinton volunteer who helps set up conventions at Mandalay Bay. Union representatives, he said, are telling employees they must caucus for Obama on Saturday, making it sound more like a demand than a suggestion. Beltran said workers feel intimidated because the union holds sway over their jobs.

Yesterday, President Clinton said Sen. Obama’s radio ad instructed Republicans and Independents to register as Democrats:

There’s a radio ad up in the northern part of Nevada telling Republicans that they ought to just register as Democrats for a day so they can beat Hillary and go out and be Republicans next week and vote in the primary. Doesn’t sound like the new politics to me.

President Clinton is correct. Sen. Obama was running radio ads asking Republicans and Independents to switch their registration:

Caucus for Barack Obama Saturday the 19th 11am. You can register right at the caucus. Independents and Republicans who want real change can attend and switch registration. Call 888-622-6268 to learn more.

In fact, Sen. Obama’s Nevada precinct captain made a flyer urging Republicans to caucus for Sen. Obama "if you think a Democrat will win in November and you don't want Hillary."

Earlier this week, President Clinton highlighted Sen. Obama’s comments on how Republicans had all the ideas for the past 15 years:

Her principal opponent said that since 1992, the Republicans have had all the good idea…So now it turns out you can choose between somebody who thinks our ideas or better or the Republicans had all the good ideas.
Don’t take President Clinton's word on it, here is Sen. Obama praising the Republican Party for being the party of ideas that challenged ‘conventional wisdom’:

"I think it’s fair to say that the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last 10-15 years in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom."
Earlier this month, President Clinton questioned Sen. Obama’s Iraq War Record:

It is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year, enumerating the years, and never got asked one time, not once, well, how could you say that when you said in 2004 you didn't know how you would have voted on the resolution, you said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war, and you took that speech you're now running on off your Web site in 2004, and there's no difference in your voting record and Hillary's ever since.

President Clinton’s statements are confirmed by the facts. In 2004, Sen. Obama said he didn’t know how he would have voted on the Iraq War resolution.

‘When asked about Senators Kerry and Edwards' votes on the Iraq war, Obama said, "I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,’ Mr. Obama said. ‘What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.’

In 2004, Sen. Obama also said there was little difference between his position and George Bush’s position on Iraq:

In a meeting with Chicago Tribune reporters at the Democratic National Convention, Obama said, “On Iraq, on paper, there's not as much difference, I think, between the Bush administration and a Kerry administration as there would have been a year ago. <…> There's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage.”

While running for Senate, Sen. Obama acknowledged that he took his anti-war speech off his campaign website, calling it "dated":

Specifically, State Senator Obama maintains that an October 2002 anti-war speech was removed from his campaign web site because “the speech was dated once the formal phase of the war was over, and my staff's desire to continually provide fresh news clips."
Finally, Sen. Obama and Hillary do have almost identical voting records on Iraq:

In fact, Obama's Senate voting record on Iraq is nearly identical to Clinton's. Over the two years Obama has been in the Senate, the only Iraq-related vote on which they differed was the confirmation earlier this year of General George Casey to be Chief of Staff of the Army, which Obama voted for and Clinton voted against.
1/20/2008 6:56:35 PM #

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/


Here is my take on why Obama keeps bringing up BC. I think he wants to keep in the news that idea that Kennedy called Clinton. After all--the whole fairy tale isssue was resolved and Obama said it was over and now brings it up again. Obama is playing politics.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:04 AM
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1. Obama playing politics?
Never! :sarcasm:
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magatte Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:13 AM
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7. Clinton campaign attacking and then crying when someone calls them out on their bullshit.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:25 AM
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11. They're not crying. They know exactly what their doing, and
that's making Obama look like a rank amateur.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:37 AM
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They are whining. Blatantly whining.
The whole Clinton campaign has been reactive and divisive, and every policy difference has been treated as a personal slight by them. I'm sure it has been a severe shock to their collective sense of entitlement.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:39 AM
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21. which is why she's lost the last two contests ...
oh wait. What were you saying about a severe shock to their sense of entitlement? I think someone else is suffering a shock to HIS sense of entitlement and his name is B.O.

And he thought everybody loved him. :cry:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:08 PM
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48. "Blatantly whining." is an oxymoron and makes no sense
"collective sense of entitlement." The Clintons have never said that. This is a little
meme made up by you Obama droids
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:37 AM
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19. not hard to do, actually
because he kind of is
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:08 AM
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2. Hillary's campaign issues deceptive release that shows Bill Clinton distorted Obama's words
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:11 AM
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5. take a look at what Obama said, and Clinton's response
Obama is exaggerating and looking...nitpicky. You have to get past the media hype of course, that always distorts the Clintons.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:14 AM
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8. he's actually sounding like a bit of a cry baby who cant' take the heat
and can't believe he's lost two in a row. what's he going to do should he make it to the General Election? Cry that the republicans are being mean to him? :shrug:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:54 AM
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31. Obama is sounding more and more like a Republican...
They Luv whining.. they whined the entire time they were in control of Congress. I guess it was done so no one would notice, they have a huge disproportionate amount of pedophiles, child molesters and sex offenders in the House and Senate.
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BigD_95 Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:10 AM
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3. but the mainstream media
wont report on any of the dirty tricks Obama does.
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magatte Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:15 AM
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9. stop slandering and implying totally untrue things.
"any of the dirty tricks". what those 800 supposed attacks that Bill CLinton has dreamt up but could not materialize?
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:37 AM
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44. Yea, the libelous Spanish radio ads should be ignored. Keep Hoping
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:10 AM
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4. The two reasons Obama's attempt to Swiftboat the Clintons will fail:
1) Obama's not as smart as Karl Rove.
2) People are smarter than Obama Hopes.
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:47 AM
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28. The two reasons Clintons (plural) attemps to swiftboat Obama will work:
1) Obama is not as ruthless as Karl Rove.
2) People are dumber than Obama hopes.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:12 AM
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6. they realize that Bill Clinton is not only a great draw on the Campaign Trail
but also a great threat. The easiest way to undercut his effectiveness is to make it sound as if what he's saying isn't factually true. In essence, they're resurrecting the Right Wing Theme of Bill being "Slick Willy" hoping Hillary's campaign will get skittish and take him off the stump.

More desperate, dirty tricks from Obama. Guess that Hope and Change wasn't getting the job done like he assumed it would.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:26 AM
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12. Yep, they want Bill out
Axelrod started going off on that yesterday, but Wolfson pretty much told him to stuff it. Bill will continue to campaign for his wife :-)
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:57 AM
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32. Yes, exactly. The same way they did scaring Gore off from Bill helping his campaign!
B-I-N-G-O!

And worse, Kerry is at the crux of it!
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:23 AM
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10. If HRC wasn't worried about HIM she wouldn't go to these great lengths
to me if a campaign is going to great lengths to respond to every snippet then that campaign is worried.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:28 AM
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13. nope, setting the facts straight doesn't mean a campaign is worried
but if it's a little ray of hopeful sunshine brightening your dismal day, you go ahead and believe it.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:31 AM
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14. too much mud is being slung on all sides
and not enough on real issues and too much dwelling on dirt! Also it leaves each Democratic candidate with open wounds for the GOP to infect.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:36 AM
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17. I agree
Hillary needs to focus on her strengths and Obama needs to stop complaining and making accusations when he loses.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:33 AM
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15. Deceptive OP alert:
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 10:34 AM by ProSense
From the OP, an entire chunk of the release is missing:

Her principal opponent said that since 1992, the Republicans have had all the good idea…So now it turns out you can choose between somebody who thinks our ideas or better or the Republicans had all the good ideas.
Don’t take President Clinton's word on it, here is Sen. Obama praising the Republican Party for being the party of ideas that challenged ‘conventional wisdom’:

"I think it’s fair to say that the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last 10-15 years in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom."
Earlier this month, President Clinton questioned Sen. Obama’s Iraq War Record:


The link you provided does not go to Hillary's release: http://www.hillaryclinton.com

Here is the actual section:


Earlier this week, President Clinton highlighted Sen. Obama’s comments on how Republicans had all the ideas for the past 15 years:

Her principal opponent said that since 1992, the Republicans have had all the good idea…So now it turns out you can choose between somebody who thinks our ideas or better or the Republicans had all the good ideas.


Don’t take President Clinton's word on it, here is Sen. Obama praising the Republican Party for being the party of ideas that challenged ‘conventional wisdom’:

"I think it’s fair to say that the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last 10-15 years in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom."

Earlier this month, President Clinton questioned Sen. Obama’s Iraq War Record:

link


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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:34 AM
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16. Zing.
Guess they thought nobody would notice.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:37 AM
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18. I resent your implication. All I did was hit copy and paste
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 10:37 AM by Evergreen Emerald
What is different?

And--of course that is what Obama said, perhaps not a direct quote--but his meaning was very clear.
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:39 AM
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20. Your make your Patroness taylor marsh PROUD
You are doing what she does, she spins without ALL the facts.
DISGUSTING
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:39 AM
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22. I am not certain what you are talking about? It is all there.
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:43 AM
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25. You know EXACTLY what I am talking about
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 10:44 AM by gaiilonfong
but won't admit it, because whatever LITTLE credibility you have left will be lost
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:48 AM
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29. I have no idea what you are talking about. You are making stuff up
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 10:49 AM by Evergreen Emerald
and your hostility is really really bad. Perhaps you need to go for a walk. You are suggesting something really serious about me, that is not true.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #29
54. That's because he can't make up his mind ..
One thread he's a white male and later a gay latino.

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:08 PM
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49. Obamites don't like Marsh because she...
supports Hillary, therefore in your little minds, makes her a smear artist.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:36 AM
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43. As of this response: 11 recs for deception. n/t
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 11:37 AM by ProSense
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:03 PM
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45. ProSense: your attacks on me personally are offensive.
What the hell are you talking about?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:04 PM
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46. Here
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #46
50. I read it . There is nothing missing. you are making stuff up.
And you owe me an apology
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:43 AM
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23. He keeps bringing Big Dog - because his "grand speaker" title is a bit hollow
when people hear the Big Dog. he He is simply too much of an asset for Hillary . Barak and MSM want him out of the way.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:51 AM
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30. Perhaps he is baiting Clinton in an attempt to get Kennedy to choose sides
Kennedy told Clinton to back off. What happens now? Is Clinton allowed to respond? Perhaps that is what is going on.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:06 AM
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33. Teddy probably got sick of Kerry whining...
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 11:06 AM by Tellurian
and just to shut him up, did an apologetic meaningless cursory advisement.

If Teddy was all set, he would have endorsed Obama already. Has Feingold endorsed Obama yet? Odd if he hasn't..
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:35 AM
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42. If Kerry had responded to the swift boat lies
promptly and forcefully, instead of going wind surfing, he might have won the election. Turning the other cheek is not wise. Prompt and vigorous counterattack is the proper response to an attack by ones opponent.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:06 PM
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55. I enthusiastically agree..
Kerry's biggest detriment is indecisiveness and he knows it. I think he's got Obama spooked and got him over-reacting to every little charge instead of putting out some of the fires, he's handing Obama containers of gasoline and a Bic! !Not Good! You know the rule. You pick your battles, you don't allow other to pick them for you!

Hillary set Obama up tonight and let him explain the Reagan/Republican flap..his explanation was nothing like his transcript... She's got a bagfull of political capital there!
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:17 AM
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37. ding ding ding!
and we have a winner. Exactly.

The Democrats -- and independents -- LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Bill Clinton and his speaking skills make Obama look like a kindergarten student reading aloud for the first time in class. They DESPERATELY want to make him an issue for Hillary so she'll get scared and take him off the stump.

Trouble is the Obama people are so blatant about it, they're almost wearing their fear of the Democrat Voters love of Bill -- a voting bloc which strongly supports Hillary and which he has yet to make any inroads into and will need if he's to make a strong enough showing in the closed Primaries on Super Tuesday to come even close to winning -- like a big neon sign hanging around their necks. There ain't no way she'll take him off the stump. He's too effective an advocate for her.
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #37
39. DING, DING, DING
And whats with the absurdist sounding "BIG DOG" you constantly refer to "RobbedVoter"?

It sounds like a two-year old posting. Whats next in the Obama sloganeering lexicon?

Sorry, but I'm not voting for a Dog. :rofl:
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:43 AM
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24. Here's A Couple of Lies Just Glancing Through This Crap
1. Notice how the Clintons - in all of their integrity - change Obama's quote on the GOP from being the "party of ideas" to saying "the Republicans had all the good ideas."

2. Most of this "debunking" involves Obama hedging his strong opposition to the war in 2004, which was right as Kerry-Edwards were at the Dem Convention. After 1001 threads urging a unified message after a nominee is chosen, we all understand Obama when he says he didn't want to undercut the positive message of the top Dem ticket.

Maybe Hillary Clinton doesn't understand this. After all, she was willing to hop on the bullshit pile against Sen. John Kerry's "botched joke" in the days before the supertight mid-term election - fully knowing that Democrats across the country would lose a few newscycles just so she could take a cheap shot at a potential opponent.

3. The Clintons - in all of their integrity - know the difference between opposing the invasion (which they were "against from the start," right?) and cutting off funding for the troops. They try to act as if we are stupid, but only point out how cheap and hypocritical they are. And how low they are willing to go to satisfy the Clinton dynasty.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:47 AM
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27. Of course Clinton in a speech is not going to be able to give exact quotes
but the gist is there: "party of ideas" versus "good ideas" it is evident that Obama was not suggesting that they had bad ideas. If Obama is now suggesting that, he is lying.

Regarding the war in Iraq: Obama's whole platform is that he was always against the war. Well, so was Clinton. Obama's statements are not consistent with his now rhetoric. And the press is not calling him on it.

The press continues to give Obama a free pass.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:13 AM
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34. I see no difference in Dr. Funks #1 and the original quote..
the meaning is the same, restating it, changed nothing..

The problem is, Obama couches many of his statements daily, stated in the same language except triangulating the meaning with the absence or addition of a word or two here and there. Obama talks out of both sides of his mouth. His followers aren't allowed to disseminate his words, even if what they're hearing is "what I thought he said or meant."
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:14 AM
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35. that is correct. What could he possibly have meant if he did not
mean the ideas were good?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #35
40. Yup!
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:15 AM
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36. The entire quote is "party of ideas that challenge the conventional wisdom."
Are you denying that the Reagan/Bush ideas challenged the conventional wisdom? Trickle down economics, 'welfare reform', 'tort law reform', union busting, "Christian nation", privatizing social security - all those ideas they promoted challenge the conventional wisdom of the last three generations.

The conventional wisdom is that wealth is generated from below, that the state is responsible for its citizens, that not limiting redress for grievances keeps corporations honest, that unions provide the solid base for America's workforce, that this is a secular nation with a lot of Christians in it, that businesses in the business of making money for themselves will short-change the public on 'privatized' retirement plans.

Yes, the republicans had ideas THAT CHALLENGED THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM. That doesn't make them right, or the conventional wisdom wrong. And nowhere did Obama suggest that.

Bill just suggested that Obama suggested it.

That's called 'swiftboating'.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:18 AM
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38. BS. Obama was attacking Clinton in his underhanded way
Clinton did not make change, was not the "party of ideas" --REagan was.


Swiftboating is when Obama suggests that Clinton is a liar, and then attempts to parse his own statement to twist the meaning.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:34 AM
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41. Let's see. Reagan (or his camp) came up with NAFTA. Reagan came
up with 'welfare reform'.

Clinton passed them both. Without changing them.

Clinton came up with Don't Ask, Don't Tell and DOMA, in response to pressure from the (Republican) Christian Coalition, formed in the Reagan years.

Bush started the war in Iraq. Clinton continued it.

Just what DID Clinton change? It it was not for the incredible boost from the Silicon Valley explosion, would we have even had the economy we had? Yes, he used that boom very well to pay down the debt and balance the budget, but that's more like riding the wave, not creating it.

Don't get me wrong. I liked Clinton. I worked for his campaign in 92. Voted for him twice. But by not changing the paradigm away from Republican policies he sowed the seeds of his own destruction.

Reagan DID change the country - for the worse - and Clinton did NOT change it back. That is self evident in that he was followed by Bush.

None of your spin can change that.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #41
51. how quickly you forget
there are plenty of posts about the Clinton years and what he did for our country. Was he perfect? Nope. No one is. But he did alot more for America than Reagan ever did.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 10:46 AM
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26. not to mentions Obama's STILL pandering to HOMOPHOBIC BIGOTS!!!
can't escape the TRUTH, obamabots!

can't escape the RECORD...
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:07 PM
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47. lol, some O-Bot posted a pic of Bill and McBigot near each other at Andy Young's birthday bash...
..as "proof" that ex-Gay Donnie "Cure All GAys or They Burn in Hell" McCluckin can't be a bigot "because he was invited to the same huge party Bill Clinton was!"
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:24 PM
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52. LOL in their own release the Lies are obvious.
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 12:27 PM by Egnever
Talk about amateurs.


Yesterday, President Clinton said Sen. Obama’s radio ad instructed Republicans and Independents to register as Democrats:

There’s a radio ad up in the northern part of Nevada telling Republicans that they ought to just register as Democrats for a day so they can beat Hillary and go out and be Republicans next week and vote in the primary. Doesn't’t sound like the new politics to me.

Caucus for Barack Obama Saturday the 19th 11am. You can register right at the caucus. Independents and Republicans who want real change can attend and switch registration. Call 888-622-6268 to learn more.

so and add asking for independents and republicans to caucus in the bizzarto mind of bill clinton says so they can beat Hillary. Little oversensitive there Big dog?

and there's no difference in your voting record and Hillary's ever since.

In fact, Obama's Senate voting record on Iraq is nearly identical to Clinton's

hahah which is it no difference or nearly no difference?

Fucking lying sacks of shit.

The Clinton's will say anything and they continue to prove it even in their own press releases.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 12:27 PM
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53. how is that lying? Obama should not be able to distort his record without anyone calling him on it
if the press isn't going to who is?
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