Edwards Supporters on DU are being very rude to Clark supporters

[TheBigDemo]

I am sorry, but I find it very offensive that Edwards supporters are using a photo of Clark with the words "OUT" on them.

Are you trying to win us over, or piss us off? Many Clark supporters are very angry and upset that Clark is out. Are you rubbing our noses in it and laughing at our hard work and the man that we feel represents our values and principles?

Are you trying to get his supporters to go to Kerry or someone else.

I want to let Edwards supporters know that as soon as Edwards is out, I am going to make a huge photo of Edwards with the word "out" on it, the same day. See how you feel.

Perhaps I should just make a photo of Edwards now with the words "Getting his Ass Kicked by Kerry"

How would that feel?

Offended Democrat,
Support Kucinich, the others are just acceptable alternatives to Bush

[HuskerDem]

1. It's offensive, petty and small BUT the longer Edwards continues on his

hopeless and hapless quest in search of what he will obviously not have, the more time we have reap the salt they have sown.

[Scott Lee]

8. "reap....the salt....you have sown"?

How many metaphors are you trying to mix up there, Husker?

[King of New Orleans]

25. Hey buddy

Don't think this isn't the cookie that crumbled the camel's back.

[Scott Lee]

57. LOL!

Now THAT'S funny.

[Padraig18]

2. How many are doing that?

I've only seen one. How many have you seen?

I agree that it's in poor taste, however...

[atre]

6. Only ONE poster does this

But the Clark to Kerry crowd love to paint with broad brushes.

[Padraig18]

7. I thought it was a rather sweeping statement.

I know the Edwards' posters, and I'd only seen one with that in his sig line..

[Kathleen04]

11. There were more the other day

However, I think most of them have stopped now..

[Padraig18]

12. Hmmm...

I won't say there weren't, I'll just say that I never saw more than one, and I told him it was in poor taste... :shrug:

[Kathleen04]

14. And...

I'll just be thankful that most of it has stopped. :)

[MAlibdem]

18. The Clark to Kerry crowd? talk about broad brushes

This thread apparently was concerning the edwards-clark feud...broad brushes my ass

[atre]

42. Broad brushes? Yup... We're talking about one poster that I've seen.

As for my "broad brush," well, if you'd have seen what I have seen, you wouldn't think it so "broad."

[sistersofmercy]

24. the poster of this thread is supporting Kucinich, did you miss that part?

Nice broad brush back at you!

[atre]

40. Apparently the bandwagon is gaining speed!

Catching on a few nonstarters!

:)

[funky_bug]

45. At least two

and one night, it seemed they were everywhere... although I'll admit it may have been the same two posting over and over again.

[atre]

63. I can assure you they do not represent me in any way

I was a huge fan of Wes Clark at one point in time. I very much hope that we find some role for him to play within the Democratic Party in the coming years.

[mot78]

3. I know it's offensive

But be careful with this thread, it might be seen as flame bait.

[Auntie Bush]

4. Please someone with some computer skills...

make a picture of Edwards with a sign that says "Going..." and as soon as he drops out change it to "Gone"

[Adelante]

5. Let's not

They want to play low games, but we don't have to do the same. We're Wes Clark Democrats. :)

[Padraig18]

10. There is no 'they', just a 'he'.

See above, infra. :)

[mac2]

60. Nope...he's in the race and maybe VP candidate if he loses the

primary. I'd like Dennis Kuicnich in the White House myself.

Remember, Edwards wouldn't be where he is without Kucinich delegates in Iowa.

[EXE619K]

9. There's no need to be bitter about Edwards and his supporters.

Save your energy for the Kerry/Edwards ticket.

[DjTj]

13. Please don't paint us with a broad brush...

...very few Edwards supporters are doing that.

[Zynx]

15. Clark supporters have been fairly rude the other way too.

Many Kerry supporters continue to pick on us poor Dean supporters with vicious attacks.

[liberalnurse]

16. I strongly suggest Edward supporters apologize.

Well, I will probably vote Edwards on Tuesday and thus I will extend my personal apology to all Clark supporters for any unkindness expressed from all and any Edward supporter.

[Adelante]

33. Thank you, liberalnurse

We appreciate the kindness. :)

[katieforeman]

17. As a die-hard Edwards suppoter, I can only say for myself that I

respect your candidate, and am glad you got involved in the process.

We'll all need to pull together to defeat Bush when once the primaries are over.

I don't know, but is it possible that the Edwards supporter with the Clark out sign used to support Clark and now supports Edwards because Clark is out? Like I said, I don't know but it seems possible.

[DancingBear]

19. No, that is not true

But the poster who started same has not been around this forum for a couple of days.

BTW, there were (at last count) 3 folks using that photo. One gets (from me) a "quasi" pass due to youth - the others do not.

[TheBigDemo]

21. I saw more than one. If it is one, he/she sures posts a lot.

I just ask that they knock it off and grow up.

[DancingBear]

23. See post #20

I hereby rescind my "quasi" pass.

[citizen snips]

26. Yeah look at post #20.

How do you know I am a teenager?

[DancingBear]

30. You made mention of it in an earlier post

If what you were saying is true, then it is wonderful that you are getting involved in the political process so early. However, part of the process that gets overlooked is something called respect. We are all Democrats here, and while we all may differ in who we supported during the primaries many us put our hearts and souls into our candidates. We attempt to treat others with respect, and while we often times don't succeed we try not to do things that show contempt for others.

This is what that Clark photo does. You will find that you will gain respect from others here (some who have been involved in politics for many years) if you attempt to make your points in a positive way, rather than a negative one. We'd like to hear what you have to say, but you'll need to show that you can do it in ways that make us want to listen.

[citizen snips]

31. I know.

And a lot of people have been pissed off at me for posting it in my sig. And I have took it off for now. I am very angry at all these negtive threads posted every day from Clark supporters.

[DancingBear]

35. Hey, Mattman, we all get angry around here sometimes

Heck, we've had Dean folks angry at Clark folks, Clark folks angry at Kerry folks, Kerry folks angry at Edwards folks - you name it!

It's HOW we deal with it that makes us who we are. By you removing the Clark pic, it shows us that you understand how we ALL feel at times.

Thank was a very responsible thing for you to do, and I commend you for it.

Good luck with your candidate, but be prepared if/when he drops out - it gets a little crazy in here sometimes. Just remember the goal - ousting the fool at 1600.

Thanks again.

[citizen snips]

39. Thats a good point.

Thanks DancingBear :toast: hopefully takeing that pic out will lessen the flaming in this forum.

[citizen snips]

20. The truth hurts.

[TheBigDemo]

22. Yeah, But Clark still won just as many states as Edwards LOL

And he isn't even in the race. What gives?

[Zynx]

27. There is more than just being declared the winner.

Edwards won SC by 15 points and Clark won OK by 1,000 votes.

[TheBigDemo]

29. Clark wasn't born in Oklahoma, Edwards was born in SC, Gee, ya think?

Care to see how well Clark would do running in Arkansas?

[efront]

83. I think Clark was born in IL,

so that would be the more accurate comparison. North Carolina is Edwards' home state, as Arkansas is Clark's.

[arewethereyet]

28. Do what you need to do, I'm a big boy, I can take it

sorry if you're offended, not that I'm posting such pictures.

I would hope that it is the candidates that are the ones making whatever attempts the wish to obtain your support. Anyone who is not a candidate really is the wrong one.

I am glad to hear that you are choosing to make up your own mind insted of just going whereever Clark pointed for you to go. Hope all your number are doing the same.

[Donna Zen]

62. FWIW

Clark suggested to his supporters that they vote for whomever they are comfortable with. He was specific that there was no "roll over." I found his statements completely in keeping with his philosophy as I've come to understand it.

[salin]

32. offensive war-fare

about candidates has become a way of life in the gd04 forum. I have long thought it was counter productive as it results in the response that you have stated. It is silly to think that intentionally alienating and "smacking down" supporters of candidates no longer in the race will win over any voters. Yet - for folks own self-righteous reasoning... folks decide that it is worth doing. Go figure.

[lurk_no_more]

34. Don't let it bother you

Edwards is already an also ran, he'll fall to the Kerry nomination soon enough and be gone, but unlike Clark and dean, he'll have nowhere else to go but back to the Senate licking bush's boots!


And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[Zynx]

36. How does Edwards lick Bush's boots anymore than Kerry?

[democratreformed]

37. Actually, there are a few of them and they persist in

seizing any opportunity to point out how useless and what a failure Clark was. That, to me, is much more offensive in their cut little picture. As a matter of fact, I like the picture. I read something ugly and nasty that is designed specifically to hurt my feelings, and then I see my candidate smiling at me.

[PurityOfEssence]

38. I'll personally apologize for that, even though I don't use one

It's unseemly and just plain mean to revel in the downfall of someone, unless they're extremely rotten people. Clark isn't deserving of this.

Bear in mind though, the EXTREME assaults against Edwards by Clark supporters and by Clark himself. Clark repeatedly lied about the tax cut votes, and when politely rebuked and asked to explain himself, refused to answer and fired back with complete distortions about Edwards' voting record. The tax-cut lies were NOT a mistake; Dean had done the same thing and been corrected very obviously in the public sphere.

Sorry for the unpleasantness of many of us, but he was EXTREMELY out of line toward the end there in Tennessee, and that truly stings. The Edwards camp, and Edwards himself, for all our collective faults, have been less strident, combative and insulting than certain other groups (notably Dean and Clark supporters) and seeing the prize so close is a hard thing to swallow when it seems that many Clark supporters are just out to screw Edwards' chances. This is especially hard after Clark attacked Edwards with lies, and Edwards did not attack Clark. Somehow, to many Clark supporters, not folding up in the face of attacks was some kind of personal affront.

To be fair, there are two truly distinct types of Clark supporters who have revealed themselves on this board, unlike supporters of other candidates, who generally can be characterized fairly broadly and consistently. The first group of Clark supporters were crush-all-opposition triumphals who accused others of being "losers" and "whiners" and reveled in their superiority; they reeked of the same kind of nasty, haughty brutality of conservatives, and they were the first and loudest voice of the group. The second group couldn't be more different: they were moderate, mild and truly imbued with a trust and faith in their guy, based on his very endearing gentleness and their trust in his sincerity.

Okay?

Clark and many of his supporters deliberately hammered us and reveled in our marginalization, fought us as the Southern alternative, and were shrill and outright dishonest; it left a very bad taste in many of our mouths, and that doesn't generally spark the better traits of human personality.

Take this for what it's worth and discuss with someone who's not a Clark partisan; you'll find out that many others saw the same thing too.

[Auntie Bush]

41. WHAT!!!????

BUNK! Too busy watching the Oscars to point out the untruths...besides you know very well what they are. That is one of the most offensive posts I have ever read.

[TheBigDemo]

51. I agree

When people apologize, they should not justify their action for apologizing. It doesn't make sense. Apologize, or don't, but they should not pretend.

[PurityOfEssence]

67. Your guy lied, he lied repeatedly and he wouldn't cop to it

Care to dispute that? He specifically lied about the tax-cut votes and only stopped when called to account for it. Edwards didn't attack Clark, Clark targeted and continuously attacked Edwards with distortions and outright lies. Not only that, he used shopworn lies that Dean had already used and been called on.

This isn't conjecture or supposition, these are facts. Do you dispute these? A guy can call himself ethical and have people ditto that all day, but if he repeatedly distorts, he can no longer lay claim to that virtue. It's shocking how people have this disconnect with their candidates; they're good, and even if they do bad thing after bad thing after bad thing, they were somehow justified, or it wasn't quite what it obviously was, or those other guys do it too, or some other version of self-congratulatory privilege to avoid the reassessment of their champion.

Of course many Edwards supporters were upset after that.

The Oscars are over; you claim I'm lying, and everything I've said is the truth. Are you misinformed? Go ahead, point out those nonexistent untruths.

The really revolting thing about many Clark supporters is that after surviving the onslaught, Edwards is hated as if he was the one using the underhanded tactics. It's mind-boggling.

[Jai4WKC08]

72. That's just plain not true

Nothing Clark said about Edwards' voting record was a lie. It wasn't an "attack" either--just distinguishing between positions.

But Edwards has this thing for taking one position, and changing his tune when it becomes unpopular. Patriot Act, for example.

[dawn]

65. I agree! nt

[cosmokramer]

43. Edwards can't make it outside the airport in one Ohio city...

Edwards will be appearing in Dayton, Ohio on Monday, at the airport.

It seems he couldn't get donated space from the unions in the city--they won't let him use their union halls! They endorsed Kerry.

Edwards doesn't have a chance in Ohio, and is out of money.

Furthermore, people in Ohio who never signed up for anything Edwards are having their Yahoo groups spammed by Edwards supporters. In fact, they are using CLARK DEMOCRATS FOR KERRY yahoo groups to spam Clarkistas now supporting Kerry.

Edwards is entitled to nothing from me. I support my General, and he supports John Kerry. Enough said.

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[Jai4WKC08]

79. What a crock

Total spin and "rewriting history."

You're sure pretty free about calling General Clark a liar without any specifics as to how or when he lied. Gee, doesn't that sound like someone more prominent in the Edwards camp.

It's also sad that you are so blind to what other might see as faults with Edwards' that you can only believe someone would oppose him because of jealousy or sour grapes.

Read you own post--you're the one who's upset because Edwards supporters here at DU were "drowned out" by a "coordinated assault" of these boards. Sure sounds like sour grapes to me.

And coordinated by whom? Golly, isn't it amazing that as Clark's internet support gathered steam, so would the number of his supporters at DU? I know I've been on the internet for over 10 years, and I never even heard of DU until I got involved in this year's election. But no one told me to join, and my presence sure wasn't "coordinated" by anyone.

And if you'll remember correctly (which I'm sure you do, but it doesn't suit your argument), the DU Clarkies were totally focused on Dean last fall. THAT's where the big battles were fought. LOL--those were the days.

We barely knew Edwards existed.

But now, it's down to Kerry and Edwards (altho not for long). Yeah, most of us support Kerry. Get real--we backed a candidate mostly for what he could do in foreign policy and national defense, and you think we'd pick Edwards? Give me a break.

Two really offensive but typical parts of your post:

When you can't defend your guy's record, you go back to repeating the tripe that Clark is a "conservative" (read: Republican). How many times can you use that word in one paragraph? Forget that almost every one of Clark's positions is more progressive than Edwards', who is barely to the left of Lieberman. For the war? Yep. Capital punishment? Yep. Against gay marriage? Yep. Tax cuts are good? Yep. (Oh, and Clark most certainly did answer Edwards--slam dunk.)

Ya know, seems to me that if both Dean and Clark were repeating your so-called "lies," perhaps there's a helluva lot more truth to them than you're willing to admit. Like maybe 100%.

And about Shelton, that he had a long-standing relationship with Edwards. There's no "conveniently omitting" anything--it has never been in dispute. But your logic is faulty, since the pre-existing relationship is but further evidence as to why he was called forward to make his smear on Clark's character, and who did the calling.

Shelton and Clark never got along--no secret there. But there was nothing in the record to justify what Shelton said, and he never had the decency (and as likely the ability) to substantiate his attack with specifics. Clark wasn't even relieved of command, altho that's the way it was translated in the media. Shelton was playing "pure politics" as he is rumored to have admitted. And why else would he have? Even Schwartzkopf was embarrassed by Shelton's behavior.

I put the blame for Shelton on Shelton--his words were unbecoming an officer, no matter what the provocation. But Edwards was behind it, either directly or indirectly, and certainly had the opportunity to distance himself from it. Instead he reinforced it. Maybe he was ticked off about his "formal" announcement (geez, how many of those do you need?) More likely he had been working hard on the Southern niche, and Clark was a threat. Either way, so much for "clean campaign" he likes to tout so much.

[MoonRiver]

46. And add something about how we DON'T want Edwards as Kerry's VP.

Clark's my first choice. But many others come to mind before mill worker bore Edwards.

[jenk]

47. you see you're still doing it

mill worker bore edwards

it reeks of bitterness, enough already.

edwards is competing with kerry and it's been civil between the supporters of both sides. Yet here you have angry clark supporters keeping up these petty little attacks and insults.

[MoonRiver]

50. I think Edwards is a bad candidate, and I've had an open mind from the

beginning. I've tried to give you Edwards supporters more than a hint or two that he should keep the phony populist pandering down. But nooooo, and now it reeks. Wait until super Tuesday to see how much the rest of our country agrees with me.

[jenk]

52. look how far its gotten him

from low single digits, he rocketed up to the final two. He's made a name for himself, and I'm proud of him.

you're bitter, clark lost.

he lost and most of america has forgotten him, when will you LET GO!?!?!

[MoonRiver]

53. BItter? No. I'm a Kerry supporter now. I could have supported Edwards,

but didn't think he was a good candidate. Got a clue, yet?

[jenk]

54. of course you're a kerry supporter

all in an effort to beat edwards after what he did to clark.

the usual kerry supporter does not go after edwards, most of them are polite and civil, the ex-clark supporters with an agenda being the exception

[MoonRiver]

55. What did Edwards to to Clark?

:wtf:

[jenk]

56. kicked him out of the race

well duuuuuh.

[MoonRiver]

58. That's politics. I don't hold grudges against Democrats, just *.

I was equally open to Edwards as Kerry after Clark dropped out. You Edwards folks have totally turned me off to your candidate. I don't like him.

[jenk]

59. yea that makes sense

because just because some supporters are bad, the candidate must be bad too.

thank god DU is not representative of the voting public.

[democratreformed]

73. Well, at least you and I agree on one thing:

"thank god DU is not representative of the voting public"

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[cosmokramer]

61. Hugh Shelton

What did Edwards do to General Clark?

Hugh Shelton. Enough said.

[dawn]

66. Please.

So no one can criticize General Clark?

[cosmokramer]

76. No. But no one can lie about him.

Which is exactly what Edwards employed Hugh Shelton to do.

Milosovich used Hugh Shelton's words to attack General Clark.

A WAR CRIMINAL used words that originated with Senator Edwards. Those words were refuted by President Clinton as untrue. And Shelton was called by the Judge at the Hague to explain. He called it 'just politics'.

Well, it is dirty rotten scoundrel lying politics, and because of it,John Edwards does not deserve my vote nor will he ever get it.

[citizen snips]

81. That is the funniest thing I have ever heard.

Hugh Shelton would not make an alliance with a war criminal. And what exactly did Milosovich say?:wtf:

[cosmokramer]

84. Milo used the slur to attack Gen. Clark at the Hague

Milo quoted Shelton's 'character and integrity' challenge against General Clark while he was testifying against Milo at the Hague in December. He said that General Clark was not to be believed about the genocide because one of his own commanders recently said Clark has no integrity and poor character.

President Clinton sent an affidavit via fax to the Hague stating that General Clark carried out his mission with the utmost character and integrity--and they should not be questioned.

The JUDGE at the Hague called Shelton, who said his remarks about General Clark were 'Just Politics'.

So Edward's little "sick 'em" orchestrated with Hugh Shelton ended up being used by a WAR CRIMINAL on one of the finest Four Star Generals this country has ever seen.

Nice job, Edwards! You and Shelton will forever be associated with aiding a war criminal in his defense at the Hague! Good job!

[cosmokramer]

97. Milo quoted and referenced Hugh Shelton's attack on the General

Milo quoted Shelton's 'character and integrity' challenge against General Clark while he was testifying against Milo at the Hague in December. He said that General Clark was not to be believed about the genocide because one of his own commanders recently said Clark has no integrity and poor character.

President Clinton sent an affidavit via fax to the Hague stating that General Clark carried out his mission with the utmost character and integrity--and they should not be questioned.

The JUDGE at the Hague called Shelton, who said his remarks about General Clark were 'Just Politics'.

So Edward's little "sick 'em" orchestrated with Hugh Shelton ended up being used by a WAR CRIMINAL on one of the finest Four Star Generals this country has ever seen.

Nice job, Edwards! You and Shelton will forever be associated with aiding a war criminal in his defense at the Hague! Good job!

[Clark4Prez]

48. I think that some Edwards supporters have not followed their candidate's

lead and stayed above the fray. I too, take offense at the pictures in the Sig lines. Why not list Dean too, since his campaign is over as well. Oh, yea, they're courting Dean supporters. Since Edwards doesn't seem to be interested in my vote, he won't be getting it.

Too bad, 'cause once upon a time, I was an Edwards supporter.

[jenk]

49. Dean and Edwards

never really rivals this primary season, it was Kerry vs. Dean and Clark vs. Edwards. It was always civil between Edwards supporters and dean supporters.

As for Clark, we could NEVER dream of attracting many of his supporters because of all there animosity towards edwards. They were going to Kerry's camp, generals orders or not.

[dawn]

64. I never had one, but...

I would never put one of those pics on my sig, but I actually found that quite a few Clark supporters here were pretty rude to some of us Edwards supporters.

No offense, of course.

[Cuban_Liberal]

68. Those pics are in VERY bad taste, but let's remember something...

I do NOT like nasty sig-line pics at all, no matter who they're aimed toward. OTOH, we need to recall that there is a small, hardcore group of former Clark supporters here who continually flame Sen. Edwards, never missing an opportunity to mention the OK race, e.g. .

It would be no more fair for me to blame ALL former Clark supporters for the nasty attitudes of those few embittered Clark supporters than it is for ALL Edwards' supporters to be blamed for the actions of a few who have nasty sig-line pics.

The pics are not nice, and I'm sorry they resort to using them. Can we now move on to something substantive?

[jpgpenn]

69. "never missing an opportunity to mention the OK race"

You call this a flame? Mentioning that Edwards is capable of creating a lie to influence others?

The Ok. story goes like this! Edwards LOST to Clark in Ok. by thousands of votes, he then took it upon himself to post boldly on his own website that he had "TIED", hoping no doubt to influence those that aren't so heavily into watching numbers and the deeper story.

As i've been way to busy lately to show Edwards and those that follow him for what they are, rest assured I will make time available come Super Tuesday pointing out Edwards monumentos standings in the races!

A LIE can only be carried so far!


:bounce: :kick: :bounce: :kick: :bounce: :kick:

[Padraig18]

74. I'm certain you will.

Nothing surprising in that piece of 'news', frankly. Anyone can sieze upon one statement and make it into a 'lie', but the FACT of the matter is that the OK results were so close that 1st place could not be certified for almost a week, a FACT that many Clark supporters got their noses out of joint over. The end result was that after a certification/recount of the vote, General Clark won by a SMASHiNG 1200-vote margin and emerged with an INSURMOUNTABLE 15-14 lead in delegates out of OK! *gasp*:eyes:

[jenk]

75. there was a recount

and for a week there was no winner declared, so is it unreasonable for edwards to call it a tie?

once again, you see a bitter clark supporter blaming edwards for not stepping out of the way of clarks "entitled ascension"

[Tom Rinaldo]

77. a bit unreasonable yes, but so what.

In the book of dirty politics it would not merit even a brief passing mention. It was just spin is all. Spin is politics as usual, and usually I don't like it. Stuff like that happens with every candidate in every campaign. Whenever anyone resorts to spin you win some and you lose some, it's part of the calculations. That spin was bound to lose some Clark supporters sympathy for Edwards. I agree, let's move on. I won't vote for Edwards on March 2nd, but I'll vote for him in November if he gets the nomination and will be out there fighting for him if he does. Nuff said.

[BootinUp]

89. "and usually, I don't like it"

You must be a Clark supporter.

As I said months ago, I am afraid he might be too good to be elected. I think many were attracted to Clark by his apparent honesty.

[citizen snips]

88. Stop whining about OK.

It is over with.

[Jai4WKC08]

70. Try this one

I for one am tired of the whiney Edwards people here on DU. Your guy got every break and still couldn't put it together. Edwards isn't the worst politican I've ever seen, but he's not ready to be President. And like most of 'em, he's a lying hypocrite with his "son of a millworker," "outsider to Washington," and "clean, positive campaign" bullshit. Just more politics-as-usual.

[John_H]

71. As LBJ said,politics requires "a coating of barnacles" but here's my take.

A lot of Edwards folks knew all along that he's been running for VP from day one. They're increasingly worried, especially after the last two debates, that Edwards doesn't have the VP spot as sewn up as they thought, so they're going after the chief competition.

So all of you who favor Clark (I'm on the line, but will move over to Clark if Edwards doesn't drop out by Wed.) just keep making your points.

[Snivi Yllom]

78. WELCOME TO THE PARTY PAL!

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[Alex146]

82. cry me a river

[Justice]

86. Some Rewriting of History Here

As I don't recall intense battles between Clark and Edwards.

I've met Edwards, I have family and friends working on his campaign. I like him. He has a great future ahead of him. I wished him no ill will. I am happy he won South Carolina and won by so much -- but let's keep it in perspective people. He won SC, that is it. Otherwise, he has come in second or third. Clark did that too in lots of places.

IMO Edwards and Clark were never running against each other per se. Clark was in the race because Kerry was polling badly. As Clark himself said, when Kerry won Iowa, Clark knew it was essentially over for him. Edwards never really factored into Clark's staying or going one way or the other.

Perhaps if Clark won Tennessee by a landslide he might have stayed in another week -- but my guess is no, because Clark had to beat Kerry - IMO, Clark admires Kerry too much to become negative against Kerry. His heart wasn't in it. Clark wants to beat Bush - that is his goal. He is more interested in that than in actually being the nominee.

Candidly, I am not sure Edwards has helped himself by staying in the race. He was a very very bright spot. Now he has gone a bit negative, and I am not sure that serves him well. Don't know what he will do after tomorrow -- not sure what he is thinking.

I am also really really sick of hearing about Clark announcing last September and by doing so overshadowing Edwards. Everyone seems to forget that these announcements had to be worked around lots of other events including pre war stuff, the 9/11 anniversary and oh yeah -- the huge hurricane. Edwards people have to buck up a bit - on the one hand they tell Clark people to stop whining about OK and then on the other hand they keep whining about an announcement.

[citizen snips]

87. I agree.

OK ended a long time ago.

[democratreformed]

98. In case you are interested in my point of view,

certain Edwards supporters first offended me the night of the Oklahoma results. Some of the were intent upon forcing us to realize that we and our candidate had accomplished NOTHING and that at the same time, we hurt their candidate. In every thread where we were happily discussing our narrow victory, some (one in particular) came and wrote vile, mean, and nasty things. I got my first ever warning that night. Since then, they have not stopped and seize every opportunity to let us know how worthless our candidate was and is and how stupid we are for supporting him.

I am sick of it. For the most part, I don't participate, but, yes, ever once in a while I sink. Today, in particular, I started to post a "Help me I'm siiiiinnnnnnkkkkkiiiiiiing!" It is not as bad as it could be, I suppose, b/c I stay off of here alot.

And, for the record, I have never responded by downgrading their candidate. Although, sometimes it is tempting, I keep my thoughts to myself for the most part.

P.S. They can say "wah wah" all they want. I just hope they don't expect any sympathy from me when they go through the same thing we have.

[surfermaw]

90. Quite the oposite I think!

[TheBigDemo]

91. So then where are the out photos of Edwards by Clark folk? n/t

[jenk]

92. edwards hasn't dropped out yet, that's why!

[BootinUp]

93. to be honest

in retaliation, I prepared one. But I have only linked it two or three times, and I will not show it anymore.

[Woodstock]

94. Turn off the images in your profile

I find it hard enough to deal with the childish words around here, the childish pictures would be the last straw.

[nomaco-10]

95. "Clark Supporters are Very Angry and Upset"

That pretty much sums up the swaggering, boastful, intimidating, rude and obnoxious manner in which Clark supporters came in here by swells and took over du a few months ago. It was like they came with this swaggering attitude; "Move over, there's a new sheriff in town and his name is Wes Clark" and now it's "How dare you be rude to us, for that, we'll vote for whoever hurts your candidate's chances the most", "We're the only ones hurting cause our candidate was the swellest repub turned dem to come down the pike", let's start a "Society", and you wonder why people have been rude to you?

I personally preferred Clark over Edwards, but some, of his supporters have damn sure made it difficult at times.

[BootinUp]

96. Eye of the beholder?

I would like to change your opinion of Clark supporters. What would it take?