if Clinton or Edwards is nominated, Mccain wins

[goku2008]

The only way to win elections is to get repukes and indies to vote for you, and mccain would have a lock on that in the general, if hillary is the nom. repukes who hate mccain would come out to vote just so the hil doesn't win, and we might see some of our dems do that also , we saw that in michigan, the hil flaunts that repukes in upstate new york voted for her, well, being from upstate ny, i can tell you it is very moderate up here, she will never get the bread and butter repukes to vote for her, and indies will go for mccain in huge numbers, edwards would have a fighting chance against mccain if he had kept the 2004 edwards, he went far left to get the base, but it has failed, the only dem. that can compete with mccain with indies, and repukes, and still hold the dem base is the great senator from illinois barack obama

[MADem]

1. Sez you... nt

[niceypoo]

52. Yeah, the GOP is riding so high right now...

This is the latest fear tactic of the hysterical Obama crowd.

:rofl:

[Hardrada]

2. Whatever.

[saltpoint]

3. Respectfully disagree. Any of our Dems will kick the stuffing out of McCain.

His winning vote total in SC was less than his losing vote total there in 2000.

He might possiby win the GOP nomination. But then we squash him.

[AZ Criminal JD]

55. I love when people can live their lives in denial

[saltpoint]

66. It didn't work for Antinuous.

[mac2]

68. McCain is pretty popular with Republicans

who are fearful of the other extreme RW candidates. Amnesty and illegal flow could lose the Democrats lots of votes anywhere.

MCain is from the old Congress who believed in democracy. His politics now seem cloudy to me. I'm not sure what he stands for except more war.

[saltpoint]

71. I agree -- he seems to be more pro-war than ever. The "maverick" McCain

is blurred now mostly because of that Bush-hug and slavish support of The Surge.

I add to that his expressly repellent right-wing voting record and feel, in an age where domestic issues still matter a lot, that we can whup him.

Ohio and Missouri would be pivotal states for us, but I think we swipe Colorado this time, and maybe some others. If McCain is their nominee and we nominate Richardson for veep, we take New Mexico back as well.

[mac2]

77. Richardson is pro-amnesty

and the public know it. It won't bring in any state who are upset about the flow ruining their jobs and budgets...mainly New Mexico, California, etc.

[chicagolefty]

78. I couldn't disagree more

If you lurk on any of the true conservative boards, not the neocon boards, you'll find that conservatives and fundies absolutely hate McCain. Mostly this is attributable to McCain–Feingold and his amnesty plan. Not to mention McCain often reaches across the isle like he did with Feingold and with Kennedy (Kennedy-McCain) which really pisses the wingers off.

Everything I've read is that most hard corps conservatives will protest if McCain is nominated by either not voting at all or voting independent. Either way, we could nominate a tree and it would beat McCain.

[jlake]

4. I'll note your concern. .... Let's see, where's my "I don't give a shit" file...

[journalist3072]

5. And if you say it, then it must be true.....NOT!

[rucky]

13. That dog is like a camel.

NOT!

[thunder rising]

6. I support Obama and I think any nominee is a shoe-in. This primary is the election.

[HughMoran]

7. Only the one post yesterday?

You're really slacking since your initial splash here - what's up with that?

BTW, when did you learn how to use the shift-key properly again? Wow, and some commas too to break up the monotony - nice touch!

[More Than A Feeling]

8. Check the polls. Edwards wins.

realclearpolitics.com

[mac2]

23. Edwards have my vote

[More Than A Feeling]

25. That's great to hear! Is this a decision you've made recently

or have you been along for the ride for some time now? Either way, glad to have you with us!

[mac2]

30. I prefer Kucinich,

Dodd, Biden, and Edwards of the Democratic group.

[LulaMay]

34. I like Manchego

[mac2]

47. Which is cheese?

[LulaMay]

48. The best.

[avaistheone1]

80. True. Edwards has been consistently polling as outwinning McCain.

[harmonicon]

9. Why do you waste your time machine on this crap?! What power!!

[onehandle]

10. The Democratic Nominee will win. nt

[pocoloco]

14. LOL

"Kerry will win in a landslide"

[mac2]

31. Democrats will win if they don't chose to lose

[niceypoo]

54. Of course the Democrat will win

Even the republicans are mad at Bush and his backers. Bush is in the teens in some polls. Support for the war is at an all time low and McCain and Rudy have both made it clear that the war can go on forever, and they would be happy with it. They are toast no matter what.

[pocoloco]

11. Well, you are half right, if that counts for anything?

[yardwork]

12. "the grate senator from illinois..."

What, is he the man behind the curtain?

[NanceGreggs]

15. Well, I guess that's the ballgame then ...

... so glad you stopped by to give us the final score.

[Digit]

16. Nice try, but you are way too transparent n/t

[goku2008]

21. edawrds

john knows he will not win, he will give obama his delegates because he hates hillary

[LulaMay]

17. Baloney

[LulaMay]

20. Come on......He wears sweater vests!

[mac2]

24. And so....? They are back in style.

[LulaMay]

28. For 80 year old grandpas who carry Werther's candies in their pocket.

[mac2]

33. Have you shopped J. Crew lately?

[LulaMay]

35. Good lord NO! I think his sweaters are Arnold Palmer brand.

[mac2]

39. Edwards seem to dress pretty well to me.

What you want a President from the younger generation of thirty or twenty years olds...or younger? Should he wear wrinkled and torn tight blue jeans?

First they complain about his well combed hair and good looks now his sweaters?

[LulaMay]

43. I was referring to McCain's sweater vests. Edwards is dreamy.

[mac2]

46. Doesn't matter which candidate wears sweater vests....

when you elect a President. I don't like McCain saying torture is OK when he himself was a victim.

[LulaMay]

50. Well, sure. I don't think he can win. He is for the war. Seriously, I think it's silly.

I don't think they have one viable candidate.

And I guess I wish everyone here would feel more together, HAPPY about our candidates and chances, rather than parroting what the media says about Hillary.

Look how much they've been able to predict thus far.

A LOT of women are going to come out and vote for her. A LOT.

[mac2]

67. The media won't allow a candidate who is anti-war to win

in either party even though the American people demanded it in 2006. Now that is worth talking about.

They didn't predict the win of Kerry in Iowa either in 2006. Look how they chose Dean to win? He failed miserably because of his WTO policy. Unions were angry when he ignored them.

I don't know who they poll but they seem to be always wrong. Is this to sway the vote?

[tigereye]

36. what kind of an argument is that?

:shrug:

[LulaMay]

38. As good a one as saying Hillary has too much baggage

[tigereye]

40. I don't think there's any comparison

people don't fail to vote for people based on what they wear a few times.... at least I hope they don't.


folks are way too caught up on minor details in these campaigns.

[LulaMay]

42. Your right. His sweaters are much worse. I want to give him a lap blanket.

[hyphenate]

18. great rw meme you've got there! eom

[Skip Intro]

19. If Clinton wins the nomination, she'll have proven to me that she can win

[TeamJordan23]

22. Hillary cannot get Indep. voters. She will lose a GE. nm

[mac2]

27. Hillary has too much baggage.

I will be sure to not turn on the media if she does win. It will be like the constant hate of her by the Cons. Turns out the whole thing was a "dog and pony show" (or smoke screen of constant stories) to pass NAFTA, or globalism, etc.

[OHdem10]

26. The Clintons have always had Republi cans vote for them

[LulaMay]

29. One poll had 18% Republican women saying they'd consider voting for her.

[emilyg]

49. Good.

[LulaMay]

51. I think people dismiss the possibility of a staggering number of women voting for her.

How many will be so happy to vote for a woman when in that booth alone? I predict a WHOLE LOT. How many will tell their husbands, boyfriends, fathers, pollster? Not nearly so many.

[TeamJordan23]

60. That one poll was Mark Penn I believe. nm

[bullwinkle428]

32. If you vote "Democrat Party", the terrorists will get you!

:crazy:

[opihimoimoi]

37. Baggage??? McCoy has baggage...he hugged Bush...dats a KILLER..the HUG of DEATH

will ensure his loss in the general.

[mac2]

69. I don't see either McCain or Clinton stopping the war in Iraq

or anywhere else in the world. They are part of the Congressional frat gang who just go along with the Neo Cons. Since gaining power in 2006, I haven't seen Hillary do much against Bush.

[Andy823]

41. I have just one word for you

BULL!

[LulaMay]

44. You underestimate the women's vote, combined with Blacks, Latino's & all true Dem's.

[mac2]

70. You need more than that to win

Both the Afro-American community and the Hispanic one are minorities. They are angry about the illegal flow taking their jobs. They don't want amnesty. They see where the Democrats are acting just like the Republicans regarding the war funding, etc. Which would you chose?

Women vote more Democratic than Republican but then there the religious influence, etc. The churches are trying to get their vote for a candidate. Why not candidates are going to them for votes? I'm am so angry at the Democrats for doing this. It is unconstitutonal guys!!

Democrats are told over and over they lose election after election because they forget their base (and the vast middle class). The base is the American middle class workers. What have they done for them but force NAFTA. Patriot Acts, and world government on them (not that the Republican haven't done the same thing).

So where is the big difference between them to encourage people to vote Democratic? It seems to me that the media and church clergy has more of a vote then we do.

[LulaMay]

82. Do we? Also, we do have more than that, and she is speaking to the middle class.

Latino's overwhelmingly voted for Clinton in Nevada. She is supported by Delores Huerta and Chavez son.

They are not as a group angered about 'illegal flow'. They don't appreciate the same old racist attacks on them by those touting border control and deporting people. I can't believe you even think that. The only reason the Republicans get some of their votes at times is because many are Catholic and the conservatives, as you point out, pander to that (as you point out).

It never has been enough to get them even close to a good showing of minority voters, and it sure won't be this time when they choose to make 'illegal immigration', code word for 'get the Mexican's' their big issue next to the war. The economy is so bad too.

[femrap]

45. Right....and all those Southerners

are going to vote for Obama. Oh and all of the crazy evangelical who are screaming about Obama being a muslim.

In the polls, Edwards is the only one beating all repugnants. And you might be surprised as to how many repug and indy women would vote for HRC.

[mac2]

72. To see Obama

holding a Bible like clergy and talking about his run for office in the Southern churches just hits me the wrong way. How dare he violate our Constitution. Can't these groups hear him in public areas? He leaves out the people who aren't of that religious group. He gives them a voice\power over others.

Now Hillary is doing it.

Shame on them.

[femrap]

79. It truly grates on the nerves of those who

love our Constitution. My uncle is so disgusted...the other day he said he was ready to vote for an atheist!

[mac2]

81. Me too

Should I notify the media that I have something to say at a local Evengelical church? If I held my speech in a Islamic one would that get their attention as to how wrong this is?

[BenDavid]

53. Listen this McCain is not the McCain of 2000, All that BS about

the straight talk express is exactly what it is, BS.....The dems campaign will be about McCain VS McCain, as a lot of chit has happened to McCain......

Early polling is a mixed bag. several have hrc ahead by 2 to 4 as some do for mccain, but hrc will have the better message and will maintain the blue states and it will be harder for mccain to hold on to all the reds.....Oh I will enjoy this campaign as we have a fighter that wants to be president.....

[LulaMay]

59. Exactly. Americans don't want more war, torture, told they can't get their jobs back.

He has no message.

[Andromeda]

56. Yeah, riiiiiiight...

I believe Hillary can and WILL beat any Republican running against her. Obama could never win the GE even if he was running against Newt Gingrich.

[ursi]

57. ...I think this could happen

[autorank]

58. This just occurred to me as I read this.

I have no idea who beats McCain. I think it's McCain with that video of the 100 years Iraq War.
What a damning clip that is.

But I bet he does himself in. He's well known to have real fits of rage with his colleagues. He's
running a hypocritical campaign, pandering to beat the band, and running is exhausting. I think he's
due for a meltdown against another in the field or some news type. That would do it.

Look at the issues:

Rated over 40% as EXTREMELY IMPORTANT: Economy, Iraq, Terrorism, Health Care. McCain loses on three out of four of those. No faith in the R's on the economy and health care and McCain wants to be in Iraq forever. There's enough on the R's for poor handling of Terrorism to blow them away. I think everybody beats McCain or any other Republican.



PollingReport.Com

[LulaMay]

61. That 100 years in Iraq clip is a death knell. Clinton can boast fixing the economy.

[autorank]

64. Welcome to DU!!!

I think all this talk of a competitive presidential race ends up supporting those who say that the
party has to move to the center (so close, we must be like them). Then we end up with candidates who
are bland, present no real alternatives to the Republicans, and end up losing because they figure
if the party won't fight for itself, how can it fig ut for us. It's all a series of bad assumptions
based on nothing. The public is highly disposed to progressive programs and populist challenges.
Nevertheless, we have an decent chance of winning even with the bland scenario, although you never
know.

Enjoy!

[CyberPieHole]

62. repubs won't be voting for Barack Hussein Obama...

you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

[comradebillyboy]

63. standard obama rubbish

[Twist_U_Up]

65. They`re setting up America with a close elections

The machines will take care of the rest.
Now go back to sleep

[mac2]

75. Thank you for seeing this happening too

It happened in the 2006 election. It wasn't close but stolen.

Most people just threw up their hands in frustration and said, well it was very close so let's let it be...including Pelosi.

[cobalt1999]

73. and for the 300th time...

Bullshit.

Is the economy going to get suddenly better?
Will the war suddenly end and the troops come home?
Will Bush suddenly become an effective leader?

Slam dunk win for the democrats this year.

[mac2]

76. But will it be a Democrat who has power and uses it?

[LulaMay]

84. Thank you!

[greguganus]

74. We just keep playing McPain singing his "Bomb Iran" song. n/t

[stravu9]

83. BULL!

Edwards is the only one who is ELECTABLE!