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Doomsayer13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 03:16 PM
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Sen Bill Nelson for VP?
Both of Florida's Senators are being considered for the VP slot, but the most obvious candidate, Bob Graham, may not be the most likely one. Some Democratic ciricles are pushing for Jr. Senator Bill Nelson, an ex-astronaut who is popular in Florida and my prove to be a better choice for nation-wide considerations. Concerns with Graham inculde his failed run for the presidencey which may have damaged him for the VPship. Nelson does have a more liberal voting record than Graham, but both project a moderate and clean image from a critical swing state. Jebby and George would once again need to pour massive expenditures into Florida if either senator were chosen for the VP slot.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 03:23 PM
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1. Not a bad choice
but there are two problems.

First is the desire not to lose a senate seat

Second is my gut feeling that having two senators on the ticket isn't a good idea.
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Doomsayer13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 03:24 PM
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3. True
Jeb would appoint a Nelson replacement, but I would be so satified with a Presidential victory that I'd be more than happy to give up one senate seat for it.

I can't think of many governors, other than Bill Richardson, who'd be good for the VP slot.
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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 03:23 PM
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2. looks like Brokaw, kind of...
Don't know his record though...still think Edwards would be a homerun - they hit the ground running since most know him.


http://billnelson.senate.gov/billsbiography/biography.cfm
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Doomsayer13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 03:26 PM
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4. Records
ACU gives Bob Graham a 19 lifetime record, gives Bill Nelson a 17 lifetime
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 03:37 PM
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5. Do we HAVE to move to the right ALL the time?
And how many people vote favorite son any more? Is he so popular in FLA that he will pull in the whole state?Does he have coattails, even in Florida?

Seems like one of the poorer choices to me.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 03:59 PM
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11. Many Floridians don't like him that much.
His stance on the Iraq War turned off a lot of people.

He once had an award on his site from the National Chamber of Commerce for voting pro business 70% of the time.

To me that is the same as saying Lieberman is liberal.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 03:42 PM
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6. So much worse a choice than Graham, who is the best choice
With Graham, we don't lose another senate seat automatically as we would with Nelson. We get someone who has been a governor, and someone who's very likable. He is MORE popular than Nelson, and it's not as if 60 year old Nelson has any youthful vigor or anything. Graham would work because he could step aside after 4 years if we win and we can chose a different vp.

Graham can be Kerry's LBJ(and win the biggest and most important swingstate, that also happens to in the "south". And Edwards can be Kerry's Bobby Kennedy as AG
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 03:59 PM
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10. I really really like Bob Graham
I supported him until Clark got into the race, but he ran a terrible campaign. Maybe because he had just had surgery, but he seemed lost in a time warp.

Graham is so qualified, & I especially like his Intelligence background, but I have my doubts about him as a campaigner.

Maybe his time is over; he certainly won't generate any excitement.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 04:09 PM
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16. Graham was in the same place in the polls as Edwards when he entered
He was a victim of circumstance, there were too many candidates for him to find one niche. Edwards already had most of the people looking for a southern candidate, Lieberman had what existed of the conservative democrat base, and then Clark came in as another southernor with momentum. He'd be as good of a campaigner as a vp needs to be, and he would give us the best edge we could get in Florida, which despite all the mindless pundits chanting "ohio, ohio" is still the most important swingstate, and the only one in the south truely competative for Kerry, and probably the easiest on paper for a democrat to win of any swingstate.(as we did get more votes in all probability last time). There will be no 100 thousand Nader voters this time, the'll be ABB or insane, there will be no Jews for Buchanon, and the purged voters will not be had again
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JasonBerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 03:48 PM
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7. That's probably the ticket. --- n/t
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 03:49 PM
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8. Nelson isn't all that liberal
and he nearly succeeds in making Bob Graham seem charismatic. The man is popular, but is he popular enough to win Florida? Do we even need to win Florida, or should we focus on other Southern and Border states?

I think there are better choices out there: Edwards, Clark, Napolitano, Cleland, Richardson and probably a bunch that nobody's thought of.
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Doomsayer13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 04:03 PM
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12. if Bush loses Florida
he's toast, plain and simple. Losing Florida would be a critical deathblow to Bush and Co., which is perhaps the main consderation in picking either Graham or Nelson
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 04:06 PM
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14. Well, Nelson would appeal to swing voters who might vote Bush.
If that is what we want in a VP.

Remember Florida is more diverse, not really South, as I keep being told.....though I have a southern accent as thick as Edwards.

Winning Florida would not necessarily need a Southerner on the ticket.
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Doomsayer13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 04:04 PM
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13. ACU gives him a 17
That's liberal enough, I think. He's not Russ Feingold, but he's lightyears better than the other Dem Nelson
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 04:06 PM
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15. What does the ACU give Lieberman?
Edited on Sun Feb-29-04 04:09 PM by madfloridian
:hi:

Nevermind, they give Lieberman a 19. So I guess that makes him liberal?

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Doomsayer13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 04:15 PM
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17. Lieberman was always more liberal
than many here gave him credit for.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 03:49 PM
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9. Nelson approved of the Iraq War. Has questionable ties, I think.
Refused to listen to the thousands of constituents who called him to vote against it.

Lives in DC with Inhofe, Nickles, and others of my not favorite GOPers.
See this article:
http://www.portlandphoenix.com/features/top/ts_multi/documents/02877355.asp
SNIP..."According to the Los Angeles Times, Harper’s magazine, and the Associated Press news service, his former address, 133 C Street, S.E., two blocks from the United States Capitol, is legally and actively a church, and the six to eight congressmen and US senators domiciled on the top floor are brothers in "the Family" or "the Fellowship," a mysterious, 60-year-old, conservative, worldwide group dedicated to ending the traditional American separation between religion and politics.

SNIP..."Getter quotes the group’s long-time leader, Doug Coe, 73, as saying that its mission is to establish a "family of friends" around the world by spreading the word of Jesus to powerful people: "The people that are involved in this association . . . are the worst and the best. Some are total despots. Some are totally religious. You can find what you want to find."

Members, who carry no cards and are very loosely defined, are required to keep quiet about their activities. But publicly available documents reveal that the Fellowship Foundation — a central legal entity, but far from the only one involved with the group — has an $11-million-a-year budget and a board of directors including Grace Nelson, wife of Florida’s Democratic US Senator Bill Nelson. Its president is Richard Carver, Air Force assistant secretary under President Reagan. Its rich backers include Jerome Lewis, a Denver oilman; Republican contributor Michael Timmis; and Paul Temple, a Maryland investor. Among members, Getter writes, are congressmen who are in charge of the State Department and foreign-aid budgets....."END SNIP

Or see this article:
http://www.harpers.org/JesusPlusNothing.html?pg=1
SNIP..."Ivanwald, which sits at the end of Twenty-fourth Street North in Arlington, Virginia, is known only to its residents and to the members and friends of the organization that sponsors it, a group of believers who refer to themselves as “the Family.” The Family is, in its own words, an “invisible” association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as “members,” as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities.

The organization has operated under many guises, some active, some defunct: National Committee for Christian Leadership, International Christian Leadership, the National Leadership Council, Fellowship House, the Fellowship Foundation......"




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