Debate Thread #1

[Renew Deal]

CBS 11:00 AM

[mhr]

1. Live Web Cast

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/partners/nyt/webcast.html

[Lefty48197]

2. We should start inviting Bush to the debates

He's going to try to limit it to one or two debates in the fall, so we may as well start pressuring him now.

[morgan2]

3. one sentence?

they broke that idea quickly

[Renew Deal]

4. It's turned into the 700 club.

[ModerateMiddle]

5. First question

Finish the sentence: "I believe...."

[TomSeaver]

7. uhhhhhhhhhh

No crowd?

[morgan2]

10. cant have al and dennis

getting all the applause.

[La_Serpiente]

6. Hopefully Dan Rathers does a good job moderating

[ModerateMiddle]

8. Second question

Sen Kerry, you have been critical of Bush vis a vis Haiti. What is your beef? What would you do differently?

[ModerateMiddle]

9. then to Sen. Edwards

what do you think of the Haiti situation?

[ModerateMiddle]

14. Sen Edwards?

do you have any difference with what Sen Kerry just said?

[jenk]

47. because of course

Haiti is sooooo important to the voters of america, I'm sure it'll be first on there minds when they got to the polls in november.:eyes:

[TomSeaver]

11. As Bill Maher

said Haiti has no white people and no oil. Which is why Bush handles it badly

[bushwakker]

79. He handles places with white people and oil badly too*

[democratreformed]

12. Great answer by Kerry, IMO n/t

[ModerateMiddle]

16. he definitely understands

the nuances of the situation.

[democratreformed]

22. And he cut straight to the problem with the Bush admin's actions n/t

[dusty64]

13. Major problems

the broadcast keeps cutting out every 30 seconds or so. Is it just me?

[ModerateMiddle]

15. Mine isn't, but I'm just listening

not watching. Video is iffier.

[TomSeaver]

19. AGAIN

the moderators are terrible

[dusty64]

42. Agree, all the interuptions

make it hard to watch and listen to. I'll read about it here.

[democratreformed]

17. Al Sharpton has talked to both sides (in Haiti) by phone this week. n/t

[ModerateMiddle]

18. Sharpton is being kinda pissy

"If you don't want us to talk, just say so."

[ModerateMiddle]

20. Kucinich

"we need a department of peace to address these things."

[La_Serpiente]

21. Uh

moderators are being bitches.

[Jawja]

27. Yes, they are.

They want a cat fight between the candidates, not a Bush* bashing session. The moderators say they want the candidates to talk about issues, but they really don't. They want them to bash each other instead of the Imperial Bush*.

[eaprez]

93. They are

supposed to be distinguishing themselves from one another not Bush.

[ModerateMiddle]

23. Rather to Edwards

are you just playing for VP?

Edwards: "Noooo, no no no."

[ModerateMiddle]

29. edwards differentiating on trade

Sen Kerry would study this issue, for 120 days. That doesn't help the folks who are out of work now.

Edwards to Kerry: DO you believe we can change this country from Washington DC?

Kerry: "Yes, because that's where Congress is, and that's where 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is."

[ModerateMiddle]

32. Edwards citing the voting record

on trade issues.

Now he's critiquing Kerry on budget proposals. Citing the NY Times analysis this am.

[ModerateMiddle]

40. Kerry responding re: stimulus

Sharpton trying to break in.

[bigtree]

24. Geez

They don't seem to want to hear from Dennis or Al. Same Bullshit form the Moderators.

[Jawja]

44. Al

is calling it on them now.

[Rooktoven]

71. Al should take a hike

The ego thing is out of hand. Of course if he's not in the debates, he can't spend 3K a night on hotels...

[SaddenedDem]

25. Is that Judith Miller of the NYT?

I caught Miller and NYT in the introductions but missed the first name.

Is this the Chalabi stooge at the New York Times?

[Stephanie]

28. Elisabeth Bumiller, maybe?

She's kind of rude.

[ModerateMiddle]

30. I thought it was

Katherine Seeyle (sp?)

[La_Serpiente]

26. SHUT UP ABOUT WHO WINS ON TUESDAY!!!

Just talk about the issues!!!

[Jawja]

31. The only

Issue the moderators will want to talk about will be Gay Marriage. They want to help Bush* run on that issue alone.

[ModerateMiddle]

34. it hasn't come up yet

but it's early.

[uconnyc]

33. this debate is too hard to watch.

Russert is the only one who can hold a decent debate. (As well as the Des Moines Register)

[Renew Deal]

45. Sharpton is going on about being ignored.

[democratreformed]

35. DK, "This is my turn!" Yeah Dennis.

[La_Serpiente]

36. Kucinich

Cancel NAFTA and the WTO.

[ModerateMiddle]

37. Kucinich on trade

You are too late on trade. You should have known there were no standards in these agreements.

[MaineDem]

38. The press people are HORRID!

How much more rude can they get?? Interrupting all the time.

Man!

[jenk]

39. sharpton said he wanted to go to haiti a few days ago

so why doesn't he just leave and quit embarrassing our party in these debates

[bigtree]

57. He deserves to be heard

There is no nominee yet.

[democratreformed]

41. Al nails them on leaving out two of them

[La_Serpiente]

43. Sharpton

I'm going to call you out on this (moderators) You are being unfair.

[Jawja]

55. I think the candidates

are doing a great job driving the debate. They are not going to let the moderators control it.

[dweller]

46. GO AL!!!!

call them out for the 2 way debate!!


dp

[Guava Jelly]

50. Al sharpton

IS so freaken cool.

[oxymoron]

48. Damn!

Let 'em have it Al!

[Renew Deal]

49. Why are the moderators at all these debates foaming at the mouth?

[democratreformed]

58. B/C they just got nailed! That was so funny!

[mhr]

51. Sharpton Kicking Ass AndTaking Names On Dan Rather

Go Al!

[SaddenedDem]

60. Sharpton: If this is a 2 person debate, just tell us

Just admit that the press is choosing the candidate, and that you are screwing the voters.

Go AL!!!!

[gulliver]

52. Stop bashing Washington!

Edwards just did it (made a comparison between Washington and the "real world"). I'm sure all of the others have done it too. But that just plays into Republican anti-government hands. Washington has to be part of the solution.

It isn't "Washington" that is the problem, it is particular leaders like Bush. This scattergun attack on Washington just creates cynicism and makes people want to starve the government along with other such foolishness.

[TomSeaver]

59. This is why I wouldn't vote for Edwards

all of sudden he is trying to portray himself as some outsider. Puh Please.

[democratreformed]

62. Kerry is handling himself very well, IMO

Great, even!

[jenk]

53. has sharpton been asked...

...about why he's spending thousands of dollars a night on hotel rooms and has a campaign hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt % hasn't paid staffers for months.

[ikojo]

54. Sharpton is ripping Rather to shreds on

the panel not giving him and Kucinich equal time!


Said the media is trying to choose the candidate...that Edwards has won only one state and come in fourth in many so why is he more viable than Sharpton and Kucinich?


GO SHARPTON!!!

:yourock:

[La_Serpiente]

56. Edwards

I'll wait my turn, it is Al's turn to speak.

[Jawja]

64. Oh, well

HOW CAN YOU WIN if you're "characterized" as a LIBERAL???!!

:puke:

Have I said how much I HATE these people??

:mad:

[morgan2]

61. edwards is crying

sounds like a black guy over playing the race card, but he's over-playing the poor card.

[democratreformed]

67. Agreed. Complete turnoff.

[ModerateMiddle]

63. Sen Kerry? Are you a liberal?

[ModerateMiddle]

72. Kerry challenges

the vote analysis that came up with the label Liberal. i.e. voting against the tax cuts means liberal.

Edwards: Americans don't care about labels assigned by Washington pundits. They care about what you fight for.

[dweller]

65. ARE YOU A LIBERAL?

<crickets>

still waiting...
dp

edit: I'M LIBERAL AND PROUD OF IT! what's so hard about that?

[Mobius]

66. Who is that irritating bitch?

:shrug:

[Jawja]

69. oh now we are REALLY

talking issues!! Let's all determine whether Kerry is a liberal not.

[Mobius]

77. thank god rather is there

liberal is a bad thing?:shrug: It's a derivation of "liberty" "Life. liberty, the pursuit of happiness"?

[La_Serpiente]

68. The moderators are just terrible

just terrible. I don't know which moderator is worse: Woodruff, Koppel, or this one on CBS.

[TomSeaver]

70. Terrible Debate

AWFUL

[Renew Deal]

75. Debate?

This is a slap fight.

[berner59]

80. the worst ever!!!

Geez - amazing how Larry King was brilliant next to this!! That woman is so disrespectful...Al nailed her and rightly so...

Kerry and Sharpton looking the best...I like Edwards but he's looking a little haggard...

This will only improve if someone jumps across the table and decks one of the moderators...come on!!

[Jawja]

73. Edwards

has a great response on the "are you a liberal" string. And now Kerry with a great followup. Both have changed to the subject to the Imperial Bush's* policies.

on edit: I applaud these four candidates for putting the moderators in their place, so to speak.

[La_Serpiente]

74. Shut the * up about the polls already

[Jawja]

81. What a SNOT!!

What a horrible, horrible question to Edwards.

"do your supporters KNOW you live this way?"

After all, Edwards EARNED his wealth as opposed to the Imperial Bush*.

[Hav]

76. for god's sake

Moderators are ruining the debate.

Kerry : YOu don't leet us finish sentences. And I'm going to fight for that.

Damn right.They don't let anyone finish.

[Mobius]

85. whoa they just let dk and sharpton talk!

:eyes:

[democratreformed]

78. Let's ignore the Iraq war issue - that's what the mods say

[Jawja]

83. yes, that's

what prompted that pompus nerd question on Edward's wealth.

:puke:

[Name removed]

82. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Jawja]

89. Dennis and Al

are keeping the debate "honest." They are not letting the moderators run the debate because if they do, they will be ignored.

Al and Dennis are keeping the discussion on the issues.

[democratreformed]

99. Agreed. They are fighting for their right to speak. Sad they have to do

that.

[MaineDem]

84. How many people are going to turn this off?

It's painful to watch. CBS should be ashemed.

[berner59]

87. they won't...

For once the candidates are united against the mods...they'll tune in to see who wins this debate - the mods or candidates....

I like Al's tie BTW...

[Jawja]

92. Exactly.

The candidates are united in keeping the debate on the important issues. Notice that Gay Marriage has not found it's way into the discussion, yet.

[Renew Deal]

88. All these moderators are always foaming at the mouth.

[ramapo]

90. How many bother to turn it on?

[TomSeaver]

94. Thats it for me

I can't take this debate

[Mobius]

86. Elizabeth Bulemia

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/politics/campaign/BUMILLER-BIO.html

[democratreformed]

91. Dennis asks the good questions of Kerry

[berner59]

95. Kerry told Elizabeth basically...

to shut up!!! "We actually have an issue on the table here..."

[democratreformed]

97. Yep. That was GREAT!!

[bigtree]

98. These moderators seem to want to limit the info that comes from these men

Yes or no, black and white answers don't teach anyone about anything. The media is too obsessed with being spoilers and headline makers. Why don't they run if they think they know more than these men?

[Jawja]

103. The moderators

pose questions to the candidates about their stands against Bush's* as if it is terrible or shocking to criticize or offer an alternative viewpoint.

[Mobius]

111. i know. good for kerry.

Ask a question then cut everybody off and switch topic before all candidates can respond?
Cool they just brought up clark.
oops here goes liz interruptin again.

[Jawja]

96. And they want to get off of

"Iraq and funerals" and Kerry says there is an "issue on the table."
Good for Kerry!

[berner59]

104. disrespectful or what????

One guy just called Edwards a "one term Senator..." how could he protect us??? And what were Bush qualifications, BTW????

[Mobius]

100. OMG! US is safer from terrorism cuz no attack in 2.5 years???

Must credit Bush for that? :wtf:
How many terrorist attacks were there before that?

[Hav]

101. ..

Mods try to change subject while Kerry talking..

Kerry: There is an issue on the table and I want to finish that.


How stupid can these amateurs be?
Don't they have the slightest respect for any of the candidates?
Whenever it's getting hot for Bush they try to interrupt as well (war,funerals).
Complete pricks.

Edwawrds : You just asked me.You let me finish that.

[democratreformed]

105. Yep. That woman is really the worst.

[Hav]

107. dicks

They also try repeatedly to somehow "disqualify" Edwards from the presidency (wealth, experience)...

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

118. the Corporate Media Whores are doing their job

what did we expect?

[WillyBrandt]

102. ACK! Let Edwards Finish!

He's giving a perfectly good answer re chemical plants, and the fuck keeps interrupting him with crap

[Rooktoven]

110. I agree.

Other than Rather, the other two are punk shills for Bush.

[Rose Siding]

119. Rather co-owns a NM ranch with Rumsfeld

Cut him no slack- he's there for the admin if they need him.

[berner59]

115. I think I love this debate after all...

They are sticking it to the media guys...WOW!!!! They're all kind of laughing at this whole scene...I bet they all hit a bar together after this!!

[union_maid]

106. CBS is making CNN look good

I thought that the CNN debates were among the worst run debates I'd ever seen, but this one is so bad it's fun to watch!

[Jawja]

112. Yep.

It's fun to watch the candidates control the debate. The moderators try to bash the candidates and the candidates appear to be united to talk about Bush* and his failed policies, including 9-11.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

108. Sharpton: "Is that President's answer to 911, be glad you're alive" !!!!!!

GO SHARPTON!!!!

[teach1st]

109. That's it!

First no MoveOn ad. Then the crappy moderators interrupting each time a candidate bears in on Bush. Bite me, CBS!

[dweller]

113. DEBATE THREAD #2

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x412604

let's go here to continue please...

dp

[Renew Deal]

114. This SUCKS

this debate is terrible.

[La_Serpiente]

116. 2nd debate thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x412604

[Hav]

117. mail them

Questions only adressed to Kerry,then to Edwards, back to Kerry, back to Edwards...
Also trying to give Edwards the chance to turn negative on Kerry that he of course won't do.


You can mail them here: [e-mail]

[ikojo]

120. The last question (and the one most will remember) is

the G-d card....