How does Kucinich win the nomination?

[ButterflyBlood]

explain. Explain how he lifts above his current poll numbers and wins enough delegates to win the nomation, despite having 487 less delegates than Kerry and 162 less than Edwards.

[Capn Sunshine]

1. Simple. All other candidates rent small planes

Except Kucinich. Bush's overtaxed from cocaine and alcohol abuse heart gives out, the shock from this kills Cheney, and Hastert becomes the acting president.

What? It could happen

Wait. I forgot about Howard Dean............Dennis has 168 less than him

[Burma Jones]

2. He goes to Bizarro World

[jsw_81]

3. He wins 90 percent of the remaining delegates

[scarletwoman]

4. I don't expect he will -- although...

since only 30% of the delegates have been chosen at this time, I see no reason to roll over and give up.

What's important to me, and I think to a great many Kucinich supporters, is to have a progressive voice at the convention.

This is about alot more than simply "winning", this is about returning the Democratic Party to being the "Party of the People".

I'm in this for the future of our country, for the future of the world -- it's alot bigger than one election. Alot bigger!

sw

[Gringo]

5. He will not.

But I will vote for him in my state's primary to make sure that the dem nominee understands that democrat rank & rile will no longer be satisfied with the tepid, status quo spineless DINO-DLC nonsense we've made do with for so long. We must go beck to being a PROGRESSIVE party, rather than just a LESS REGRESSIVE one.

[angryinoville]

6. Right on...

I know there'll be a lot of people here on Cape Cod voting for DK. Progressive all the way!

[Zan_of_Texas]

9. An emergency is declared....

and every state, every precinct, starts voting using paper ballots, counted in the precinct, results posted at the precinct, in front of any citizens who want to observe.

The renewed interest and confidence in voting brings people to the polls who had long since given up hope.

Meanwhile, progressives are pooling their money. They cancel their regular newspaper subscriptions, stop watching the big TV news shows all over the country, and join into a united push. They establish one liberal network with TV and radio available to over 50% of the American people. Will Pitt, Tom Paine, Bev Harris, Amy Goodman, Michael Moore, Chuck Lewis, Jim Hightower, Molly Ivins and many others become as familiar to the American people as the scourges of the right-wing are now.

Miraculously, real issues that affect real people are addressed, rather than speculation on which candidate has had botox treatments. With real discussion of real stuff, DK surges.

Okay, it's a fairy tale right now. Most people are still living in delusional worlds and aren't noticing their country sliding down the drain, or aren't noticing enough to do anything about it.

Or, no one has told them what to do.

So.......tell some one what to do.

[scarletwoman]

12. "So.......tell some one what to do."

Okay. Vote Kucinich! (that was easy :D )

sw

[mac2]

16. I'm with you Zan_of_Texas

I had a letter published about computers stealing our votes and how paper ballots would be better. We can have this by 2004. Both parties ignore it.

Why is that when votes being manipulted by media and computers everyone is silent?

[WarNoMore]

26. I surely will be voting for DK

here on Cape Cod.

[RichM]

7. Here are two scenarios. Tell me which you like better -

#1) Kucinich does significantly better than expected. Say he wins 16% in some of the big states on Tuesday. At the convention, there are a few dozen Kucinich delegates that help formulate the party platform. They make sure that some of Dennis' ideas are represented.

In the future, people look back at the primary season of 2004 and say, "Well you know, Dennis Kucinich ran without even being covered by the media -- and still did remarkably well. There must be a lot of support out there for his progressive ideas. We shouldn't underestimate that. Perhaps we should try to develop it; to cultivate it."

#2) All Democrats keep laughing at him and ridiculing him. On Tuesday, he gets 2% or less in every state. Virtually no delegates go to the convention. The party slides further right. Kerry wins the GE and maintains a hawkish military policy, with US troops stationed everywhere you look. Advisors come to Kerry and say, "The antiwar people are getting unhappy with you..." Kerry says, "To hell with the antiwar people. Tell them to get over it."

In the future, there are some potential progressive stars with great talent -- but they say, "What the hell. If a guy like DK couldn't get anywhere, with his tremendous heart and wonderful clear vision, why should I even bother? I think I'll forget about politics. I'll just go get an MBA in marketing & try to get rich."

Which of these scenarios would you rather contribute to?

[mac2]

17. We can't trust any election results. Got it?

[RichM]

29. This ditzy empty response is unrelated to the current discussion.

Are you in the wrong thread, perhaps?

Why not just run around in random threads warning everyone that the Martians are coming?

[Desertrose]

8. Brokered convention

From an email I recently received. I don't know much about brokered conventions, but am checking it out....



All of the Dean delegates - and he's asking his supporters to vote for him
anyway, even though he dropped out - and all of the delegates that were
split by candidates that didn't get the required 15% vote - cannot go to
Kerry on the first vote. Repeat: The "floater" delegates (my term, not the
party's) cannot vote for Kerry on the first ballot at the convention. They
cannot because delegates are pledged to vote only for their candidate on the
first ballot, and these are not Kerry delegates.

Therefore, the nominee will not be selected on the first ballot. For the
first time since 1952, this will be a "brokered convention."

You see, after the first ballot, delegates are not bound to vote for the
candidate who sent them. But they can negotiate: If you want our block of
delegates, you have to give us our plank in the party platform that the
nominee runs on. Or you have to pledge to appoint our candidate to your
cabinet if you win. And so on.

So, as Dennis says, this is the 135th mile of a 500-mile race, and a lot can
happen between now and then.


Peace
DR

[truizm]

10. It seems that the bandwagon effect will carry Kerry through though...

and the likelyhood of a brokered convention isn't very high. :(

[Dookus]

13. there's absolutely no reason to believe there'll be

a brokered convention.

Kerry needs less than 50% of the remaining delegates to secure the nomination on the first vote. If by some fluke he doesn't get it on the first vote he'll get it on the second vote.

The whole brokered convention idea is a pipe dream.

[Desertrose]

15. guess time will tell about the brokered convention...

me, I'm not ruling anyhting out.


and you know what dookus, its really hard to take any of your posts too seriously when you have the caviat "don't mind me- I'm just talking outta my ass" in every damn one of em.
:evilgrin:

DR

[Dookus]

20. my sigline

is meant to be humorous. However, a lot of people use it to belittle me. I can take it. The point behind it is that we're ALL talking out of our ass. Plus the little butt is cute.

[Desertrose]

22. I didn't mean to belittle you...seems more like you're

belittling yourself...guess I'm just not into little naked cartoon butts....
sorry... :evilfrown:

but I agree that at one point or another, we all tend to "talk outta our asses" sometimes.....but what the hell,eh?

Peace
DR

[Dookus]

23. The little butt *IS* cute, dammit!

You just gotta see it wiggle!

[no name no slogan]

31. Good point, but what states has Kerry won w/ 50%+?

IIRC, Kerry has yet to win over 50% of the vote in ANY state.

So, it isn't completely out of the question that Kerry may not win any primaries/caucuses with 50% or greater. Which means that vote count could be a lot closer than many people think.

Also, there's a lot of anti-Kerry resentment out there right now, especially among anti-war Democrats. If he isn't able to secure the nomination on the first ballot, there's a VERY good chance that Dean/Clark/Kucinich/Sharpton delegates could rally and keep Kerry from winning on the second ballot, too.

I have a feeling this won't be over after Super Tuesday, despite what the talking heads are saying.

[foo_bar]

32. Delaware, Missouri, Virginia, Michigan, North Dakota

did I miss any?

[TheBigDemo]

11. Kucinich will win when People actually start caring about their country

Until then it will be a member of Skull and Bones society that claims the White House.

[mac2]

14. He wants to have delegates to push his agenda .....

for a more "Democratic" party platform at the Boston Convention.

Miracles of miracles..he could win if the country wakes up and really thinks about the WTO, the war, health care, etc.

He has some great ideas and plans to do them. He's not just anti-Bush.

We need to get back our base...remember? The base is working Americans and their ability to make a decent wage, have civil rights, etc.

Years ago...Truman I think...they decided right off the convention floor to the nomination. Now, it's almost decided before the convention delegates get to vote on a platform or a nominee. I like the old way. That way...the candidate fit the platform not the other way around.

[jansu]

18. As long as no one votes for a Candidate who has endorsed Kerry,

then you can keep Kerry from getting 2161 needed for the nomination to be a done deal.....brokered Convention.....more people's choice. Interesting results. I believe that Kennedy was the last one to come out of a brokered Convention....not too shabby! Vote your choice, not the Polls!

Although, I would worry about the coziness of Edwards toward Kerry at the last debate. If Edwards does not get enough delegates, then he might throw in with Kerry for the VP spot.

Who said we don't live in interesting times?!

[Desertrose]

19. amen ...and it ain't over til its over

and I think its only just beginning.
Dennis rocks!!!

Peace
DR

[Dookus]

24. After the first vote

the delegates will go to Kerry, if such a situation arises. There's absolutely no reason to believe the convention would pick someone other than the very clear frontrunner, who will be Kerry.

[bywho4who]

25. OLD SOUTH ORDER NEW NORTHERN HORIZON

How the hell else would bonez boy Kerry carry the south not because he "look's presidential" that's for sure that won't cut-it in the south.




:smoke: :hippie:

[bywho4who]

21. Win with a quickness

the only way is to kill off the media bedfellows who marginalize him into mediocrity while towing the degenerative's party line! The mainstream news media is the utter death of democracy and they are also the wicked molasses that coat's & slows technology.




:smoke: :hippie:

[littlejoe]

27. In the "Twilight Zone"

[Mairead]

28. Just a bit of food for thought, offered to those actually hungry for some

Allegedly, Angelo Roncalli was elected Pope (John 23) as a compromise when Pius 12's designated successor couldn't get enough support.

[LWolf]

30. Reposting

it's been here a couple of times; I got it in an email, so there is no link.

This week's topic: A BROKERED CONVENTION

This week I met several people who came down from Seattle to help get out
the vote in California. I found out that Kucinich got 25% of the vote in
counties - whole counties! - where there was a strong door-to-door campaign
- and in one woman's precinct, he got 48%!
Note to self: One-on-one discussion is the key to overcoming a media
blackout.

I also learned how convoluted the delegate selection process is in the
different states, and why Kucinich could well end up with far more than the
two delegates he has now (himself and northern California Rep. Lyn Woolsey,
both elected officials and thus "superdelegates"). This is probably why
Kucinich isn't worried about the delegate count: He knows it will probably
be a brokered convention in July.

For one thing, the delegate counts you hear about in the media are merely
projections based on the statewide votes: Kerry gets 40% in Wisconsin; they
give him 40% of Wisconsin's delegates. Kucinich gets 3%; they give him no
delegates, because you have to get 15 percent of the vote to get even one
delegate.

Two very important things they don't take into account: (1) The 15% minimum
applies to each *congressional district* as well as the statewide tallies;
and (2) Some states, such as Iowa and Washington, will take weeks to select
their delegates, because they do not select them by direct vote; instead,
they select county delegates, who then convene and select state delegates,
who then convene to select delegates for the national convention in July. So
we won't have a final count for months, and it could change radically
between now and then.

Here's another reason Kucinich isn't worried about his small delegate count:
With 500 or so delegates projected for Kerry, and over 2,300 needed to win
the nomination, he would have to get virtually all of the remaining state
primary delegates, as well as most of the 800 or so superdelegates, to win
on the first vote, because he's only been getting 40-50% of the vote in the
primaries so far.

All of the Dean delegates - and he's asking his supporters to vote for him
anyway, even though he dropped out - and all of the delegates that were
split by candidates that didn't get the required 15% vote - cannot go to
Kerry on the first vote. Repeat: The "floater" delegates (my term, not the
party's) cannot vote for Kerry on the first ballot at the convention. They
cannot because delegates are pledged to vote only for their candidate on the
first ballot, and these are not Kerry delegates.

Therefore, the nominee will not be selected on the first ballot. For the
first time since 1952, this will be a "brokered convention."

You see, after the first ballot, delegates are not bound to vote for the
candidate who sent them. But they can negotiate: If you want our block of
delegates, you have to give us our plank in the party platform that the
nominee runs on. Or you have to pledge to appoint our candidate to your
cabinet if you win. And so on.

So, as Dennis says, this is the 135th mile of a 500-mile race, and a lot can
happen between now and then. Who would have expected that Dean - who burned
through the entire $41 million he raised last year in Iowa and New Hampshire
alone - would have crashed so spectacularly?

A lot can happen between now and the July convention. This is your once-in-a
lifetime chance to vote for an honest politician. I guarantee you will not
regret it.

Vote for Dennis Kucinich for President. He is absolutely incorruptable, a
man of and for the people, the Abe Lincoln of our time. He is exactly what
we have all been waiting for.

[gate of the sun]

33. He wins because

it only takes so many people to change the world. When it hits the critical mass. It's a done deal. fight against that if you will.
Brokered convention.