This is why I hate John Kerry and his freaking campaign!!!

[tryanhas]

Ohio Voter
Posted by Anonymous
07:46 PM -- Saturday February 28 2004
I live in Ohio and just got a call from John Kerry's campaign, is it true that John Edwards has already secretly accepted the VP position?

http://blog.johnedwards2004.com/article.pl?sid=04/02/28/1747248&commentsort=1

His campaign did the same thing in New Hampshire, and that's why John Edwards didn't do as well in NH as he would have, and got thousands of WRITE-INS FOR VP in only the second primary? (only finished 1% behind Clark)!

Kerry's campaign has always been doing this crap, and it pisses me off!!!

Ron Browstein of the LA Times brought this up the other night on the Charlie Rose show (Wednesday, February 18, 2004), and he said they were investigating it at the Los Angeles Times!

Rot in Hell John Kerry...

[JI7]

1. if it's on the blog it must be true

never mind that kerry himself in the debate refused to say he would ask edwards to be vp. but edwards said he would consider kerry for vp.

[disenfranchised]

3. There is some evidence that this happened in New Hampshire.

So I think it is possible. But, it's hard to put any merit in what an anonymous poster writes on a blog.

[GalleryGod]

67. Step back and look & "listen" to yourselves.

Wasn't New Hampshire a "tad EAR-LY" for this to be taking place?
Evidence? I got your evidence right here,Mate!:argh:

[Capn Sunshine]

11. I always wanted to caption your sig picture

"Dude, I know she's asleep, but her nails are diggin' into my thigh"

[NewHampster]

43. Just for you Capn

Please use it in good health.

[Raya]

2. You really believe that is from the Kerry Campaign. How Naive?

If this is the level of thinking on the dem side then
Karl Rove will have a field day.

This kind of idiocy needs to be destroy before it is too late.

[tryanhas]

5. Didn't you see what I said???

Ron Brownstein, from the Los Angeles Times, and he goes on CNN a lot, said that they have been getting a lot of calls from people who received calls saying that they were told that John Edwards has already accepted the VP position so there was no reason to vote for him in the Primaries!

He was talking about this the other night on the Charlie Rose show, and he said that they were investigating it!

You people are ridiculous!

How can you not believe this crap when John Edwards got thousands of write-ins for VP in New Hampshire? No one would have written John Edwards in for VP in the second freaking primary unless they were compelled to do it!

[janx]

7. It may be time for your conversion...you see, there is no

Santa Claus.

The notion that the people of the United States determine who is to become a nominee or to actually govern them is...

I'll let you fill in the blank.

This revelation is new to me, too. I hate to be the one to have to pass it along.

[Raya]

37. And You Know any concievable reason for Kerry to do That. Ridiculous!!!

[tryanhas]

39. Yes...

...to marginalize Edwards, so that he can't go but so far.

To make himself look more presidential.

It has worked up to now, why would they stop doing it now.

MARK HALPERIN, Political Director for ABC News, and RONALD BROWNSTEIN of The Los Angeles Times were both talking about this the other night on The Charlie Rose show.

[mountainvue]

50. I think if Ron Brownstein

investigates enough he'll find out it's not really the Kerry campaign at all.

[GalleryGod]

68. Zoloft! Lots of Zoloft, Friend.

:freak:

[DjTj]

62. If not from the Kerry campaign, who would be doing this?

Who has anything to gain from this besides Kerry?

[maxanne]

4. in NH

the Kerryites made nasty calls to Dean supporters in one town. They made robocalls at 3 am, the night before the primary.

In my area, they stole the list of #1 Dean supporters from a person at the polls, and made robocalls to all those who hadn't yet voted.

[KC21304]

33. Just what did they tell these # 1 Dean supporters who hadn't voted yet ?

Who determines if they are # 1 ? How does anyone know who has voted yet ? Do the poll workers give out this info ? Does someone stand outside and check them off ? I did calling for Kerry and I collected total turnout info 3 different times during voting at 3 different polls and I saw none of the nonsense you are talking about.

I think I will wait until it turns up on Snopes Urban Legends site.

[maxanne]

38. so you did

all this campaign work and you don't know the answers to those questions?

Are you from NH? Were you here on primary day?

[MAlibdem]

59. I was there

And got harrassed by Deaniacs all day...it was AWESOME /sarcasm

[GalleryGod]

69. We've ALL SHARED that lovely and defining Moment of the '04 Campaign

Show of hands?:hi: Who got harrassed or threatened in '04?

Pa-friggin-thetic:scared:

[KC21304]

48. Just thought someone with enough facts to make these very

serious charges would be able to answer these questions. My primary work was not in N.H and I have to admit there were not many #1 Dean supporters ( whatever that means ) in Wisconsin.

[maxanne]

54. well seein' as how

I was here and you weren't - I might know a little more about how things went in NH.

I don't think anything I say will matter - you've already decided.

[janx]

6. His campaign has a reputation for doing that kind of thing.

They even did it to Wes Clark, a guy who endorsed Kerry after that fact. (I still cannot figure out why.)

Good old American politics at its "best," I suppose.

[tryanhas]

9. But what gets me is the people who...

...instantaneously dismiss it here.

If I said Bush was doing it, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE REPUBLICANS WHO MADE PHONE CALLS TO SOUTH CAROLINA THE NIGHT BEFORE THE SOUTH CAROLINA PRIMARY TO ONLY TRY AND SMEAR EDWARDS THE ONE THEY FEAR THE MOST, then people would be going crazy about it, but the fact that Kerry's campaign is doing this and has been doing it since after Iowa, people here just dismiss it.

It's so typical of the DU...

[janx]

14. I know, bud.

I know it well.

There are people in positions of power in the Dem party who influence our options heavily. Remember this primary and watch the next one. You will see a pattern.

:hug:

[disenfranchised]

24. I totally agree.

Democrats freaked out when Ken Lay met with Arnold. But, Lay spends years working with Kerry's wife and it doesn't raise an eyebrow. It's your typical double standard.

Dean supporters get calls giving them the wrong polling place. No one cares.
When this happens in the general election, people will care, but they won't do anything about it.

Edwards supporters get lied to. No one cares because they are cast off as stupid. A bunch of Floridans fill out a ballot wrong and the Republicans say it is their fault for being stupid.

It's all sickening.

[Leilani]

10. I think Wes Clark endorsed Kerry

because he's really not a politician.

He said at the very beginning a candidate needed foreign policy & national security experience. And Kerry has that.

[janx]

15. I'm sorry. I admired Wes Clark and would have worked and

voted for him.

But the military connection does not make up for the differences in policy that I saw between the two candidates.

[Jai4WKC08]

21. Nahhh...

I don't think not being a politician has anything to do with it. Wes Clark is smart enough to know the stuff that Kerry and his campaign pulled. Not that Kerry was the only one.

Clark thinks Kerry is best qualified (that foreign policy/national security thing, as you mention) and he thinks Kerry has the best chance of beating Bush--Clark's A#1 top priority.

Kerry could have spit on him and Clark would put it aside to get Bush out of the White HOuse. He's that ABB.

[janx]

25. Policy. n/t

[atre]

55. Where is Kerry's foreign policy and national security experience?

You guys keep saying that, but none of you can substantiate it.

Fighting in a war does not provide such experience. If it did, then the hundreds of local V.A. hospital patrons would be more qualified to lead this country than Bill Clinton.

[mountainvue]

63. let's see

What Bush's answer to a question like Haiti would be. Here's Kerry's:

KERRY: Here's what I'm telling you. Here's what I'm telling you. This administration set up an equation. They have a theological and a ideological hatred for Aristide. They always have.

And they approach this so that the insurgents were given -- empowered by this administration, because they said to the insurgents, "If you...

(APPLAUSE)

"... Until you reach an agreement with Aristide and the government about sharing power, we're not going to provide aid and assistance."

So we empowered them to simply veto any agreement, which is what they're still doing with respect to a power-sharing in another government.

What this president ought to have done is to have given them an ultimatum: Either we're going to restore the democracy, have the full democracy in the region -- notwithstanding that I think Aristide has some problems, and I do. And I think there have been serious problems in his police, the way they've managed things. But our engagement should have been to try to restore the democracy, to bring those people together. That's what president...

KERRY: Here's what I'm telling you. Here's what I'm telling you. This administration set up an equation. They have a theological and a ideological hatred for Aristide. They always have.

And they approach this so that the insurgents were given -- empowered by this administration, because they said to the insurgents, "If you...

(APPLAUSE)

"... Until you reach an agreement with Aristide and the government about sharing power, we're not going to provide aid and assistance."

So we empowered them to simply veto any agreement, which is what they're still doing with respect to a power-sharing in another government.

What this president ought to have done is to have given them an ultimatum: Either we're going to restore the democracy, have the full democracy in the region -- notwithstanding that I think Aristide has some problems, and I do. And I think there have been serious problems in his police, the way they've managed things. But our engagement should have been to try to restore the democracy, to bring those people together. That's what president...

KERRY: Here's what I'm telling you. Here's what I'm telling you. This administration set up an equation. They have a theological and a ideological hatred for Aristide. They always have.

And they approach this so that the insurgents were given -- empowered by this administration, because they said to the insurgents, "If you...

(APPLAUSE)

"... Until you reach an agreement with Aristide and the government about sharing power, we're not going to provide aid and assistance."

So we empowered them to simply veto any agreement, which is what they're still doing with respect to a power-sharing in another government.

What this president ought to have done is to have given them an ultimatum: Either we're going to restore the democracy, have the full democracy in the region -- notwithstanding that I think Aristide has some problems, and I do. And I think there have been serious problems in his police, the way they've managed things. But our engagement should have been to try to restore the democracy, to bring those people together. That's what president...


http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0402/26/se.01.html

[LandOLincoln]

81. Kerry has been on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee

for years. I'd say that's pretty good foreign policy experience. Not as impressive as Clark's, but still pretty impressive.

[WyLoochka]

65. It isn't "experience" that counts

It's what he's going to do about foreign policy if elected. Will the man do the right thing? His last decade in the Senate, especially the last three years, can't help but lead one to realize he won't.

[lancdem]

8. Ironically

Edwards very well may end up as VP. In that CBS poll, Kerry/Edwards beats Bush/Cheney 50-42.

[tryanhas]

12. If this gets out before Tuesday...

...it will sink Kerry.

[janx]

18. That's what we thought too, but they didn't--or wouldn't.

And we had loads of these examples--on the blog, via emails, and elsewhere.

We had DLC memos, Osama ad financials, and all kinds of things, but it didn't make any difference.

[disenfranchised]

35. This is what we get for not paying attention.

we sat idly by as every trick was used on Dean. Now it is our turn.

[janx]

40. Watch carefully and see what happens.

Then try to learn from it. That's the only way we're going to make any progress at all.

[AntiCoup2K4]

20. Let us pray

...the worthless two faced bastard gets sunk. But if Edwards is in on the deal, wouldn't he get sunk too?

BTW, two senators on the same ticket wouldn't have a chance in Hell anyway

[MoonRiver]

28. How totally ridiculous.

You obviously don't want Kerry nominated, and will pull out any unsubstantiated spin to try and stop him. The bimbo rumor/lie didn't work, and this silly thing will be equally meaningless to his nomination. Ron Brownstein is not exactly an admired journalist among Dems, btw.

[janx]

32. If you are really a Wes Clark devotee, I don't think you should

be dismissing this.

Take another look, please.

[MoonRiver]

36. Why? This is the first time I've heard about it, and frankly I'm

skeptical. The Repukes are going to lie and spin until they're blue in the face. I spent 8 yars getting educated about their filthy bottom feeding ways, and I'm not about to believe any rumors against Dems without proof positive.

And what does being a Wes Clark supporter have to do with anything?

[janx]

45. Talk to your fellow Wes supporters. They will fill you in.

But more specifically, talk to the very early draft-Clark effort. There's a guy by the name of Stirling Newberry (if I'm not mistaken) who could shed some light on the situation. Do a search for him and check him out.

I admire Wes Clark supporters, but I don't necessarily admire some power brokers in the Democratic Party.

You've earned your education. Now do your research. ;-)

[MoonRiver]

79. Hey, I've talked to my fellow Clark supporters. And nobody is buying

your spin. And, btw, I earned my education because I did my research.

[GalleryGod]

70. GOP's been crossover Push Polling since 1988

Poppy's Campaign literally invented that move:grr:

[KC21304]

44. Absolutely. You be sure and keep it quiet, Please ?

LOL LOL LOL LOL.

I want to see those thousands of ballots from N.H. with Edwards written for VP. Is there such a place on the ballot ?

And the people were compelled to do it. Sounds more like hypnosis. Must have been some phone calls.


Please, please don't let this get out.

[janx]

57. Here comes Santa Claus,

Here comes Santa Claus
down from Santa Claus Lane...

[w13rd0]

29. Hasn't VP already been promised to like two or three...

...other people? I mean come on...

Yeah, the Kerry campaign has played fairly dirty. Nothing new there... Of course, Gore played a bit dirty with Bradley too. I ended up voting for Gore. But I did so rather unenthusiastically at the time. Kerry runs the risk of making an electorate eager to get Bush out of office completely indifferent to his own agenda and policy positions. Oh, wait...um, never mind...

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

13. I always trust internet blogs.

That is why I am so succesful.

[tryanhas]

16. What???

Why are you still focusing on a freaking blog???

CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE LA TIMES HAS BEEN GETTING HIT WITH QUESTIONS FROM CALLERS WHO HAVE BEEN TOLD THIS and they are investigating it???

Take the freaking blog complaint and throw it out the window.

I just posted the post from the blog, because it's the first time I have heard about it from someone who received one of those calls.

WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD THEY JUST BRING THAT UP OUT OF THIN AIR?

They didn't.

Ron Brownstein was talking about it earlier in the week, LONG BEFORE THAT PERSON POSTED IT, so it was being investigated before they posted it by the Los Angeles Times.

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[KC21304]

26. Why would they bring this up out of thin air ?

Blogs, e-mails, phone calls, oh my god, and here I didn't think you had any solid evidence. LOL. I suppose Drudge has the polygraph results too.

[janx]

30. This didn't come from Drudge.

It came from documentation of rival campaigns.

Get a grip! Open your eyes!

[mountainvue]

52. Why bring it up?

Well, because talking heads talk. Sometimes even jackasses bray for no reason.:)

[janx]

58. Like Al From and Bruce Reed?

Yes. I suppose they mess around with the electorate.

[tameszu]

17. Don't worry--Kerry's campaign also sent out lots of phone calls

telling people that Clark is a Republican in NH, so it probably evened out. =P

(Yay, look at me, now I'm supporting Kerry, because he's the best of what's left...)

[janx]

19. You shouldn't do that.

But I guess it depends on your definition of "what's best."

And it is your vote, after all.

[AntiCoup2K4]

22. Oh it's the "electability" thing again...

You know... two faced, Bush enabling, FAUX funded PNAC advised waffle boys always provide the best contrast to Bush :eyes:

[janx]

27. There is no Santa Claus.

There would be (in terms of hope), but there's not one now.

[tameszu]

75. Nope, not the electability thing

The foreign policy thing.

Edwards, even if he won would be a disaster--not because he's a bad guy, but because the Dems and the international community really, really need a progressive president who takes foreign policy seriously. I do not think Edwards does that, because his entire strategy is to run a campaign based purely on domestic issues.

And to call Kerry PNAC means you know not of what you speak.

[tameszu]

76. For my definition of "best,"

see below. For me, fair campaigning and empowerment matter, but the issues--namely foreign policy--matter even more.

(And BTW I can't vote anyway...it's just my labor and energy)

[H2O Man]

31. I've never seen....

... a VP spot listed on a primary ballot. But I've lived in NYS all my life. Maybe we do things different. Of course, I've yet to see ANY results from any state regarding the VP votes in any primaries. I have seen a heck of a lot of dirty tricks at all levels of politics. These include misinformation, distortion, and lies. Our best bet would be to tighten our seat belts: this promises to become an ugly campaign. The dark force has already made its presence known, even in the democratic primaries. I don't mean to imply that the national party is good, or a final solution to the moral disease known as the bush administration. But I would suggest that electing a democratic president and congress is a step in the right direction. And if you look really close, most of those dirty tricks are aimed at keeping bush in office.

[Dookus]

41. LOL

how desperate!

First, you provide no evidence that it actually occurred
Second, you provide no evidence that if it DID occur, the calls came from the Kerry campaign.


But keep trying.... It's endlessly amusing.

[John_H]

42. Here's more fair-minded deep thinking from the Edwards blog

While the Kerry losers jumped on his bandwagon because he was old, ugly, and never took a risk.

But we need u, the "undecided" vote is so high!!!

Then a disturbed person starts posting, with the following response to the Edwardas faithful.

SUICIDAL
Posted by Anonymous
Saturday February 28, @09:36PM
SOMEONE PLEASE CALL I THINK HE IS SUICIDAL


Re:SUICIDAL
Posted by Anonymous
Saturday February 28, @09:41PM
I just called and heard a gunshot. Too late, oh well, big loss sob sob. Not soon enough for all in the blogosphere.

Yup. I believe everything thse people say. Fuck Kerry. Fuck him, I say!. Fuck the fucking fucker!!!!

[nightperson]

46. May I debut my trademarked response

"prove it or move it (to the lounge)"?

[mdmc]

51. I'll second that, secondtermdenier

like the handle. Dislike this thread.

[KC21304]

53. That's a great idea,

especially since we can take the Lounge off the front page now. LOL

[zulchzulu]

47. Drudge, is that you?

Good job, buddy!

Hey, why don't you start a rumor that Kerry wore a dress when he was in Nam. You'll get plenty of press with that!

[mountainvue]

49. Posted by anonymous?

'Nuff said.

[dd123]

56. John Kerry is our Nixon.

Mark my words.

[janx]

60. If he's elected he will be.

Let him clean up the mess he helped to create.

[AntiCoup2K4]

74. Nixon was also backed by the Bush Criminal Empire

Do you think Kerry will tape everything, or will he use digital recording?

Now he just needs a catch phrase.... "I am not a Bush enabler!!"

[nightperson]

61. I agree.

Like Richard, he'll be elected President twice. Cool. Lookin' forward to it. :thumbsup: :bounce: :toast: :thumbsup: :kick:

[mountainvue]

64. Wish real hard now.

Click your heels together.

[GalleryGod]

71. I Thought that they had lockouts on the computers in the Looney Bin?

:silly: :crazy: :eyes: Apparently not!:+


"Yeah,Ker-RY! and your Little Doggggg, Too!":mad:

[GalleryGod]

72. Another "Newbie" Checks -in! Wow, this is really Difficult to Deduce?

How's the Food at "Smear Central Command" these days?:argh:

[MaineDem]

66. And I got email from a campaign...

that claimed to be from one candidate and it wasn't. Shit happens.

Please, be reasonable. The most likely culprit in any of this nastiness works at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue right now.

Don't take everything you read or hear (especially on an internet web site) as gospel.

It's only going to get worse.

[DrFunkenstein]

73. Rot In Hell John Kerry?

You do the Democrats proud. I can only hope the country is almost entirely populated by people like yourself.

[Adelante]

77. That's actually very funny

That's what the Dean campaign did to Clark! :7 Went around saying Clark was going to be Dean's VP until Clark had to scotch it once and for all.

[deadliving]

78. We are blessed to have such a hero as JFK for President

Let's not speak ill of our saviour from Bush.

[Octafish]

80. Get a little sunshine! Don't let one little blog get you down!

Sen. John Kerry's the best shot we've had at the White House in a long, long time. By that I mean we don't need no stinking Watergate or J Ross Perot to win the White House. It looks right now like Kerry might win in a LANDSLIDE. That means a nationwide mandate to effect positive change. So, keep your chin up.

By "we" I, of course, mean Democrats. Progressive Democrats. Liberal Democrats. Strong-national defense Democrats. Pro-equal rights Democrats. Pro-civil rights Democrats. Pro-labor Democrats. Pro-small business Democrats. Pro public education Democrats. Pro national health insurance Democrats. Pro Social Security Democrats. And a whole bunch more Democrats.

So what's the problem with Kerry?