Hillary identifies Reagan as one of her favorite presidents.

[jefferson_dem]

oooooopsie...

12/12/2007

...

Her list of favorite presidents - Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, George H.W. Bush and Reagan - demonstrates how she thinks. As expected, Bill Clinton was also included on the aforementioned list.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=4674

[AtomicKitten]

1. Oh dear.

[OneSelf]

20. That's gonna leave a mark.

Very interesting.

[AtomicKitten]

44. Hey, welcome to DU!!

[colorado_ufo]

205. Very funny!

And welcome!

[OneSelf]

257. Thanks...

AtomicKitten and colorado_ufo!

:hi:

[bobbolink]

276. Welcome to DU, OneSelf!

:bounce: :bounce: :toast: :bounce: :bounce:

I HOPE it leaves a mark!

:evilgrin:

[Flabbergasted]

288. Welcome to DU

[TwilightGardener]

2. LOL! Good find, you Super-Sleuther, you!

:thumbsup:

[rodeodance]

143. SEE POST 137--THE TRUTH HAS ARRIVED

[FrenchieCat]

208. SO SHE "ADMIRED" REAGAN HIS COMMUNICATION SKILLS?

what about JFK's?

Funny, how Hillary folks were foaming at the mouth in reference to Obama analyzing Reagan...and yet, for Hillary, Reagan was one of her "favorite" President.

[Flabbergasted]

289. That issue was dropped fairly quickly for them wasn't it.

[grantcart]

215. Even if your correction is correct

then why is her team putting out the incorrect quote in their own press release ? ? ? ?

Obviously they read it and didn't see anything wrong with it. The only took exception with it and tried to change the context after the uproar.

[jjr5]

271. We need to do something and fast!!

If we vote for Hillary, we will have lost a golden opportunity in history for CHANGE. Not only do future generations who will have to live with the impact of her presidency need us not to vote for her, but WE really need change - RIGHT NOW. Obama is the only one I know right now who can deliver on that. Him, Kuchinich, and possibly John Edwards, however Kuchinich is out of the race.

I'm just so worried that people will be tricked into voting for Hillary as the democratic candidate, because of the tactics she's already employing, and end up doing something that's really horrible. She just isn't the one - and I'm kind of afraid.

[Flabbergasted]

280. Wow. They generated that total fabrication pretty quickly.

[EFerrari]

3. Perfect. Nobody EVER try to chastise me for not voting for this person.

:puke:

[frog92969]

132. May I join you?

:puke:

[NYCGirl]

4. And George H.W. Bush too? NT

[Yael]

109. That one surprised me even more than St. Ronnie

I mean, WTF did he even accomplish? Perfecting sound bytes? Maybe she loved his "thousand points of light".

[Barack_America]

5. Is this grounds for capital punishment?

Under the DUcode, I think the answer to this is "yes".

And she admits that she retained the "underlying values" of the Republican Party once she started calling herself a Democrat. It's true. You should see the Goldwater thread.

[L0oniX]

54. No wonder she is DLC

[beachmom]

6. HA!!! Hilarious. The plot thickens I guess ...

[Flabbergasted]

102. I'm not seeing too many of the outraged responding? Hmmm?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

177. Could it be that there is a limit to outrage?

I know I'm supposed to NGU, but it gets more difficult with each passing day, and that day's headlines. *sigh*

We are bereft of representation... except those that are muted through the media. Please, let their be justice moving forward from this election/vote tally.

[Truth2Tell]

195. I'll respond. And I'm outraged. But outrage

at Clinton has become old news. This is no surprise.

[rodeodance]

185. CORRECTION: Salmon Press Newspapers,"She did not say Reagan was her favorite President."

Forum Name General Discussion: Politics
Topic subject Salmon Press Newspapers,"She did not say Reagan was her favorite President."
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
4112377, Salmon Press Newspapers,"She did not say Reagan was her favorite President."
Posted by rodeodance on Fri Jan-18-08 10:08 PM



http://www.dailykos.com /

from kos website:
Update II: Okay, the author of that editorial says they screwed up:

The question posed was originally what portraits would you hang in the White House if you were President and as the dialogue progressed, who are the presidents you admire most?

She listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan’s communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn’t say anything close to that.

So Hillary didn't say Reagan was one of her favorites either. She just praised his skills. Like someone else suddenly being attacked for doing the same….

From link in above story:
http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5309


Bad Oppo Alert! Hillary Did Not List Ronald Reagan As Favorite President

1/18/2008 8:55:40 PM

In an effort to divert attention from Senator Obama’s comments about President Reagan and his assertion that the GOP has been the "party of ideas," the Obama campaign circulated an item this evening from the Salmon Press in New Hampshire that asserts that Senator Clinton listed the former President as one of her favorite presidents. In fact, Senator Clinton only complimented President Reagan’s communications skills – an attribute of his that has been widely praised by Americans of all ideological stripes – and did not list him as one of her favorite presidents. She also noted that she respected George H.W. Bush.

David Cutler, the co-owner of Salmon Press Newspapers, released the following statement:

The question posed was originally what portraits would you hang in the White House if you were President and as the dialogue progressed, who are the presidents you admire most?

She listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan’s communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn’t say anything close to that.

[FrenchieCat]

209. NO INSTEAD REAGAN WAS "ONE" OF HER FAVORITE PRESIDENT....

AND SHE ADMIRED HIS "COMMUNICATIONS" SKILLS.

CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE CORRECTION SAYS. HE WASN'T HER FAVORITE, JUST ONE OF.

[PretzelzRule]

214. Still pretty damning if you ask me

n/t

[HughMoran]

243. "She didn’t say anything close to that."

Read the press release!

[Time for change]

263. If it's substantially inaccurate, why does Hillary display it on her website?

Am I misunderstanding this? This is on her website, right?

[Invidious]

7. OMG

How was this missed?? Reagan is one of Hill's favorite Presidents?? Can we please have 2,000 threads about this in 3..2..1...GO!

[HughMoran]

240. Post 2000 threads that are incorrect

That would be cool... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4108953#4112394

[Bread and Circus]

8. Can everyone with a sad story about how Reagan wronged them

please chime in now?

Because we just haven't had enough of the Ronnie Reagan love/hate bullshit around here lately...

[TwilightGardener]

11. I suppose the faux outrage is all played out now, just in time to learn

that Reagan is one of her ALL-TIME FAVORITES!! :rofl:

[EFerrari]

14. How many of your family members or friends did he torture?

Any?

[EFerrari]

29. I notice you haven't replied.

To those of us who watched people die of AIDs. Who watched people die of poverty. Who tried to help relatives in other countries deal with his homocidal policy.

Make light of THAT if you can.

[Adelante]

48. I don't anyone is making light of Ronald Reagan

I would certainly never defend him. I spent the 1980s demonstrating against his policies. I loathed the man.

There is some poetic justice in the OP, that's all, my friend.

[EFerrari]

56. See post #11. n/t

[MrCoffee]

"chime in" with your sad stories of faux outrage?

that's making light of the horror that St. Ronnie the Shit heaped upon us.

[Barack_America]

23. I watched some of his movies...they were really bad.

All told, he directly ruined about 10 hours of my life. I'll never get that time back...

...anybody got a tissue?

[OneSelf]

30. Win one for the Gipper!

That's all I know from his movie career, and that is due in large part to the MDC song Bye Bye Ronnie.

[MrCoffee]

27. pardon me

but you're an asshole. My dad was an ATC in 81, when St. Ronnie fired them all, and our family went through hell.

[EFerrari]

32. And so the nonresponse on 9/11.

I'm sorry you guys went through that.

Reagan was a manipulative criminal. And anyone with a brain knows that.

[MrCoffee]

hey, it's just my faux outrage talking

thanks, sfexpat

[EFerrari]

46. I remember it ALL. I remember that sonuvabitch dismantling the union,

banning those workers from their own jobs for LIFE.

And all the rest of us watching in horror and being so flabbergasted. I was a kid, a newlywed with a baby.

These Reagan deniers are barking up the wrong tree.

:hug:

[MrCoffee]

50. even now, i don't know whether to cry or punch something

honestly, i feel so angry right this second, like it's happening all over again.


that evil fucker, may he burn forever.

[EFerrari]

64. I know. So with you.

I won't drink the DRANO, not for anyone.

If the Clinton campaign needs to paper this over, they can damn well do it without my help and to their shame.

[L0oniX]

62. Maybe Nancy could have seen 911 coming from her tarot cards, palm reading and checking the stars.

:sarcasm:

[TwilightGardener]

34. They're chiming in now. Ask, and you shall receive!

[EFerrari]

35. You people who minimize what Reagan did make me fucking ill.

[TwilightGardener]

39. Don't be ill. Just realize that not everyone has experienced life as you have, or sees

things the same way. I think there were a lot of gleeful Obama-bashers who decided to overstate things to make Obama look like he praised Stalin or Hitler.

[MrCoffee]

47. you'll do whatever it takes to defend the remark, won't you?

even if Obama were my first choice, i'd be pissed as hell to find out that he thinks the Reagan presidency had any value.

[TwilightGardener]

57. Obama's remark didn't bother me in the least. Sorry your dad got a raw

deal, and that you have a gut-deep hatred for Ronnie Raygun. I didn't much care for him myself, but Obama was speaking about his political skills in the way he was able to match his campaign to the national mood, not his firing of ATC's or any other specific policy.

[MrCoffee]

59. any praise for Reagan is wasted breath

if Obama doesn't know that fundamental truth, maybe he isn't cut out for the job.


same goes for Clinton and her list.

[jaybeat]

120. Not true! (Quite sick of this, actually.)

Obama used Reagan's own double-speak, the "excesses" of the 60's, the need for more "accountability" and "entrepreneurship." He didn't "match his campaign to the national mood," he told LIES to pit Joe six-pack against mythical welfare queens and meritless affirmative action recipients. His campaigning was divisive and ugly. I think Obama was praising more than just his campaign, but even that is bad, bad, bad.

Both Clinton and Obama should be ashamed of themselves.

As for Hillary--GHWB ??? No JFK ???

:wtf:

I mean, give me a break! Bill idolized JFK (still does AFAIK), and ran (and won) against the 12 previous years of Reagan/Bush!

[stickernation]

135. she isn't bill !

You know, this is something I don't think I've seen written up, and it's so true.

I think there is an implicit assumption that Hillary Clinton will bring the Bill Clinton thing back into the WH. I really don't think that would be the case. I think Bill Clinton is an interesting person these days. I have seen him get angry and wax Robert Byrd stylee on interesting matters. He's still got some fire in him, and it channels Carter and Kennedy on good days.

Hillary Clinton still is a Goldwater Girl. I feel fairly certain of that. I see how the squareness of Democratic politics could create a warm seam of pus in which she could incubate. In light of finding out about her Goldwater Girl background, I have had to re-evaluate her liberal credentials. For instance, how forthright was she being when she fought for healthcare early in the Clinton Presidency? Does she have ECONOMIC dissent with Repugnicans and that's as far as it goes?

[MaryRN]

216. oh, well that makes it all better then n/t

[EOTE]

274. Reagan was a worthless piece of shit.

He might not have been quite as destructive as shrub, but that's only because his mind was too addled with Alzheimer's to be that dangerous. Any candidate who heaps anything but disdain for that pathetic excuse for a human being will not receive my support in the primaries. Does that make things clear enough for you? I was 9 years old when Reagan ended his term, but yet I still know what a disastrous and straight up malicious presidency he had. You may simply not 'care for him', but those of us paying attention can't stand the evil mother-fucker. Maybe in a few years you'll think that maybe shrub wasn't that bad of a president after all, but most of us have longer memories than that. It's scum like reagan that make me want to believe in hell, because if anyone deserves to spend an eternity there, he does.

[EFerrari]

52. People can hold their own opinions but they can't have their own facts.

[TwilightGardener]

61. I have my own facts as well! AND my own reality!

:)

[EFerrari]

66. Good luck with that. n/t

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[lumberjack_jeff]

49. Rosalynn said it best

"(Reagan) makes us feel comfortable with our prejudices."


http://thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=18414

[EFerrari]

68. That's exactly what he did, isn't it? Wise woman, Roslynn Carter. n/t

[MrMickeysMom]

230. And his lies... what a loveable boob... so we forgive his lies?

...from that Seattle article in 2004, jeff....

Three examples: "Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do"; "we did not--repeat, did not--trade weapons or anything else for hostages, nor will we"; and Reagan's infamous, racially coded story about the "Chicago welfare queen" who used 80 names, 30 addresses, 12 Social Security cards, and four fake husbands to cheat the government out of "over $150,000," which Reagan brazenly continued to tell even after the press debunked it (the woman had two aliases and collected $8,000).

[Bread and Circus]

159. Reagan was an aweful President, that's why I don't understand Clinton

being so in love with him and GHWB

[MrCoffee]

38. it's just faux outrage. the lives he ruined don't really count, do they?

shhhh...it'll all be better soon.

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[lumberjack_jeff]

37. Yeah guys, let's see some Ronnie worship

I'm sure deep in his heart he was as progressive as those who are paid to post here.

:sarcasm: if it's really necessary.

[indepat]

96. I especially like the allegation that official records of some aircraft controllers who were on

leave were falsified so they too could be vindictively fired. I doubly liked the Gipper's removing countless thousands from social security disability rolls without due process so they could be left to maybe die, which many did, before any appeal process could be completed. Some swell fella but glory be to the Gipper in the highest.

[sce56]

121. Well I remeber he said we were not going to negotiate with terrorist at all then turned around and

did the Iran Contra thing arms for hostages! What a lying sack of shit! And of course we know what a fine upstanding family the Bush dynasty is you know Skull & Bones men Mafiosos traitorous bastards like Preston, coup against FDR, Bush! And backing Hitler financially! Not to mention how the attempted assassination of Raygun was by a friend of the Bush family would have set him up for three terms in office if Raygun died. Just shows you what good friends the Bush and Clinton family's are!






http://web.archive.org/web/20030602211200/







Gay Old Pedophile Perverted party

[cali]

9. bwahahahaha. Brilliant, jd

just fucking brilliant. Reagan and bush pere. Perfect. Let's rec this to the skies, and let's have fun watching Hillheads explode all over GDP. You might also consider cross posting this gem.

[midnight]

10. That does it....... Anyone who identifies any bush as a good

president, does not meet with the seriousness or thoughfulness that running America takes. And don't get me going about Ronny again. Why don't they just say they marvel at how Hoover created a wonderful relief program.

[BeyondGeography]

12. Funny

:thumbsup:

[Invidious]

15. Quick..

Everyone grab a screencap of the release before they snatch it down and deny it.

[book_worm]

13. GHW Bush and Reagan!! Not even JFK.

[Flabbergasted]

113. Even Obama had the decency to mention Kennedy. I'm outraged. ; )

[SoxFan]

16. A two-for-one special!

Reagan AND Bush!

And on her own website!

:rofl:

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[Bread and Circus]

17. I gotta quote and bold this for laughs, shits, and giggles...

But no president can do it alone. She must break recent tradition, cast cronyism aside and fill her cabinet with the best people, not only the best Democrats, but the best Republicans as well.. We’re confident she will do that. Her list of favorite presidents - Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, George H.W. Bush and Reagan - demonstrates how she thinks. As expected, Bill Clinton was also included on the aforementioned list.
-------

I guess we have a lot of Hillbots with egg on their face now!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[lumberjack_jeff]

18. Kang? Kodos? How can I choose?

They both say such soothing things.

[here_is_to_hope]

42. *snicker* n/t

[frog92969]

133. "Go ahead, throw your vote away!"

:nopity:

[MrMickeysMom]

229. EXACTLY...This is exactly what it looks like...

We are caught in the middle in a nightmare of a science fiction primary (forced to read, hear and watch daily, no writers left anymore).... Obama and HRC both admired President REAGAN??? They now salute the change agent of who did a 180 from his earlier roots of being a CA Democrat to standing at the helm of the Reich, giving corporations as much unrestrained capitalism as possible, of busting unions while ushering in monopolies? Until GW Bush topped it, Reagan was the king of merging corporate and govt activity and creating what is so, so common... the homeless.

Strange, the only candidate who's been honest about where we are headed and what we must do is strangely the one who admits having seen something he deemed, "unidentified object" one time. Well. here are our "leading candidates" folks!

Tell me we aren't sitting front row at MST3KK, please.

[HeraldSquare212]

19. Ouch, that's gotta hurt!

Especially since her campaign just got off a conference call with reporters slamming Obama for his remarks.

[stickernation]

142. no way

just when it sounds bad, it gets worse.

so here's the PRO-HILLARY slant - she just put that crap on her site to appeal to "moderates", she doesn't really MEAN it, she wants to appeal to "reagan democrats", you're taking it out of context.

and with the news of this conference call, that goes through the window.

it seems clear to this edwards supporter that hillary and obama are going to damage each others' candidacy more and more.

and now vote fraud in NH perhaps, and this caucus legalism in NV, and the BET schmuck... I think it might be closing time for HC's appeal to DU'ers. I wonder aloud if any of this is changing Clinton supporters' minds. If not, I am almost like, I am going to bow out of this thread, I don't want to hurt any nice Clinton supporters' feelings, it will be really hard for them to defend her in this context... especially if this conference call story is true !!!

[cali]

21. My,my where are all the hill acolytes now?

Not a one of them has jumped in. keep this kicked. I'm sure they're hoping it just sinks. No. Such. Luck.

[Tom Rinaldo]

55. It begs for context that is not provided

I'm glad I followed the link. At first I assumed it was a list Clinton posted herself at her own web site, but instead it is a newspaper endorsement of her that she has up. And in one sentance of that endorsement this list is referenced. It isn't even clear what list is being talked about or if that list is presented in complete form. It isn't clear if there even is a list. It's possible during an interview some question was asked of Hillary about things she liked about former Presidents and she had something good to say about all those men (but possibly more). The newspaper editors could be spinning this to justify to readers why they chose Hillary to endorse. Maybe they are centrists, a lot of newpapers are. Maybe they pulled what they wanted from an editorial interview they had with Clinton. They called it "a list" but that is also often just a literary device, as in "the list of reasons goes on and on" and similar phrases.

There is absolutely no direct quote from Hillary in that editorial. I have no idea what it is she supposedly feels and why about any of those Presidents from what this editorial presents. And I have no way of knowing how accurate a summary of her thoughts on any of this that editorial presented.

[Cameron27]

63. I just clicked on the link

and that's the first thing I noticed also. It's an editorial written by the Salmon Press with absolutely no quotes included. I'd like to see exactly where or when Hillary said anything like that.

[Bread and Circus]

69. Whatever makes you feel better...

:eyes:

[Cameron27]

75. If you can provide Clinton's quotes

that say what the Salmon press thinks she said, that will make me feel better. I don't have to look for Obama's quotes, his video is all over the news.

[bunnies]

81. right.

Im sure she would put things on her website that didnt accurately reflect her views.

Is your position that her campaign is so dumb as to post inaccurate information? That they would 'accidentally' post something that claimed Reagan as one of her favorite Presidents if it weren't true?

Either you accept that she hearts Reagan, or you accept that her campaign made a major mistake. Which is more palatable to you Tom?

[Cameron27]

82. I'm sure that it could have escaped

her staff's notice. I'll wait for the statement with her exact quotes, it shouldn't be that hard to find if it's true.

[Adelante]

83. N/G

It's a newspaper endorsement posted to her official website:

Her list of favorite presidents - Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, George H.W. Bush and Reagan - demonstrates how she thinks. As expected, Bill Clinton was also included on the aforementioned list.

If this misrepresented what she told them, why would it be on her website?

[Tom Rinaldo]

85. See post number #84. But you will appreciate this WesDem...

I had to email WesPAC one time to tell them that a front page newpaper story that they had posted at their site from when Clark spoke in New Jersey had a glaring mis representation of what Clark actually said during his speech in an otherwise positive story. It was a really embarassing doozey also, and it wasn't a mistake on Clark's end, it was the writer who got it wrong. Still they had it proudly posted.

Fortunately I had already blogged about the actual quote Clark made - so the Clark people were able to insert a portion of my blog report onto the web page as a correction with a link to my full text of Clark's speech. Stuff like that happens, it really does.

Gotta go make dinner now but I'll look up the particulars later if I can find them at WesPAC.

[Tom Rinaldo]

116. Here is that front page screw up from Clark's web site in 2006

The reporter botched Clark's comments and reported them in a totally wrong context, but because it was such a positive news story for Clark at the time it got put on the front page of Securing America without anyone catching the screw up.

This is how the page looked AFTER I sent an urgent email to WesPac pointing out the error that was posted:

"Regarding Iraq, Clark said it would be virtually impossible to beat a hasty retreat. He quoted former Secretary of State Colin Powell as saying, "If you break it, you own it," and said the United States forces should not leave without making sure that there would be at least some kind of stability in the region. "We are over-committed and off by a factor of seven," he said, meaning it would take seven times as many men as there are on the ground to get the job done properly.

IMPORTANT: Please see NOTE below from an attendee about the reference above to "a factor of seven"...


...CLARIFICATION FROM AN ATTENDEE AT THE EVENT:

"I attended this event, took notes while there, and later published my own report on it.

While generally excellent this story contains a serious mis-statement of General Clark's position regarding Iraq. Clark's comment that: "We are over-committed and off by a factor of seven" was quoted in the wrong context.

Clark's statement did NOT, as the author stated, conclude it would take seven times as many men as there are on the ground to get the job done properly.


As I noted in my own published report of the event, Clark's comment about a factor of seven dealt specifically with his observation that military equipment sent to Iraq, for climate related reasons, wore out seven times faster than it did at other U.S. military bases. General Clark pointedly noted that budgeting for our military needs did not factor in that rate of equipment attrition, and our military capacity is being degraded because of that. General Clark made no specific comment on the level of troops needed in Iraq now to conduct the mission assigned them."

http://securingamerica.com/node/1288

[TacticalPeek]

193. Thanks for showing how critical judgement is done.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4112377&mesg_id=4112377

:patriot:

[rodeodance]

186. CORRECTION: Salmon Press Newspapers,"She did not say Reagan was her favorite President."

Forum Name General Discussion: Politics
Topic subject Salmon Press Newspapers,"She did not say Reagan was her favorite President."
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
4112377, Salmon Press Newspapers,"She did not say Reagan was her favorite President."
Posted by rodeodance on Fri Jan-18-08 10:08 PM



http://www.dailykos.com /

from kos website:
Update II: Okay, the author of that editorial says they screwed up:

The question posed was originally what portraits would you hang in the White House if you were President and as the dialogue progressed, who are the presidents you admire most?

She listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan’s communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn’t say anything close to that.

So Hillary didn't say Reagan was one of her favorites either. She just praised his skills. Like someone else suddenly being attacked for doing the same….

From link in above story:
http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5309


Bad Oppo Alert! Hillary Did Not List Ronald Reagan As Favorite President

1/18/2008 8:55:40 PM

In an effort to divert attention from Senator Obama’s comments about President Reagan and his assertion that the GOP has been the "party of ideas," the Obama campaign circulated an item this evening from the Salmon Press in New Hampshire that asserts that Senator Clinton listed the former President as one of her favorite presidents. In fact, Senator Clinton only complimented President Reagan’s communications skills – an attribute of his that has been widely praised by Americans of all ideological stripes – and did not list him as one of her favorite presidents. She also noted that she respected George H.W. Bush.

David Cutler, the co-owner of Salmon Press Newspapers, released the following statement:

The question posed was originally what portraits would you hang in the White House if you were President and as the dialogue progressed, who are the presidents you admire most?

She listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan’s communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn’t say anything close to that.

[L0oniX]

70. It's not a full moon yet.

:sarcasm:

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[FrenchieCat]

207. SO SHE "ADMIRED" REAGAN HIS COMMUNICATION SKILLS?

what about JFK's?

Funny, how Hillary folks were foaming at the mouth in reference to Obama analyzing Reagan...and yet, for Hillary, Reagan was one of her "favorite" President.

[HughMoran]

239. Not a Hillary advocate, but falsehoods are to be promoted!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4108953#4112394

This has got a lot of recommendations but it turns out to be false.

[bigwillq]

22. Oh jeez..I may be ABCO at this point

I have said here many times that I will vote for the DEM nominee but Clinton and Obama's actions the last few weeks are really making me rethink my decision. Early on in the primary season, I thought us DEMS had a strong slate of candidates, I am not so sure anymore.

[Barack_America]

24. She loves Reagan and kept the "undelying values" of the Republican Party...

Hmmm, I think we're onto something here.

[MaryRN]

218. Don't forget she started out as a "Goldwater Girl"...n/t

[Sparkly]

25. I want to see the quote, because I hope she just named all of them.

:scared:

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[ProSense]

26. Hahahahahaha! n/t

[City Lights]

28. K&Ring with pleasure!

:hi:

Superb find. Reagan and Big Boosh.

[Bonobo]

31. She's one of them!!!!

[Levgreee]

33. heh, amusing

[frog92969]

136. That's what I keep trying to tell people.

And I get slammed for it, but I DO pay attention.

BTW I was behind her at the beginning for her "experience".

[nichomachus]

36. Ooopsie

Somebody forgot to scrub this before they started bashing Obama.

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[bunnies]

40. Kick and a great big fucking R.

I think love you. :loveya:

[jefferson_dem]

45. Awww...

Shucks.

:hi:

[bunnies]

101. 50 recs.

:hi: :hug: You've made my day. :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[Catherine Vincent]

41. That's a good find, jd.

Btw, do you have the quote of what Hillary said regarding Obama and Reagan? In fact, do you have the quote of what Obama said about Reagan? I guess I should finally chime in on this.

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[tishaLA]

43. Favorite?!

OMG.

That is at least 10 times worse than noticing that Reagan changed the trajectory of the country.

[Tom Rinaldo]

65. Except there is no direct quote and no actual list printed, and none of this comes from Clinton

See my post #55 above. Clinton's site posted an editorial endorsing her for President. That paper threw that one line into their long endorsement. They didn't print out any list. They don't say what Hillary supposedly was referring to. They didn't even attempt to quote her or paraphrase her. There is no context here.

[ProSense]

73. You're trying to distance Hillary from from her campaign's press releases? n/t

[Tom Rinaldo]

84. Just reporting the facts .

They feature a pro Clinton newspaper endorsement at some page of their web site. It would not shock me if no real thought was given to that one sentance that was buried toward the bottom of the endoresement. I doubt compiling and releasing endorsement editorials from minor media sources is a high level staff function in the Clinton campaign. This was not a campaign Press Release about who Hillary's favorite Presidents are. This was not edited highlights of an endorsement either - the whole thing got posted in full as written. At the time I'm sure it seemed like good press to win that endorsement, but not of great strategic importance.

[rox63]

89. It's on her freaking web site

That implies her approval, unless her campaign is running a very unprofessional web operation. With all their money, I doubt that's the case.

[Tom Rinaldo]

97. Uhuh, and I just counted. There are 198 Press releases archived for the month of December

Most of it is grind it out stuff that does not involve policy statements from the candidate. The editorial itself wasn't anything anyone at her campaign wrote a single word of.

Of course her campaign would release a New Hampshire editorial running in an 11 paper chain endorsing her for President, they would have been nuts not to. They certainly wouldn't complain about it or attempt to "bury it". And they would have been crazy to edit it or issue a disclaimer about it at the time. If it rose to the level of people asking questions about that line in the editorial when it was issued, that would have been the point at which they would have dealt with whatever explanation they felt that line called for.

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[HughMoran]

248. "The Salmon Press endorsement editorial follows:"

"She listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan’s communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn’t say anything close to that."

That is the corrected version.

[Lucinda]

79. Yup.

[tishaLA]

87. That's because she had a meeting with the editorial board

as all candidates do--as Sen Obama was doing when he invoked Reagan--and she volunteered the information. Do I think Sen Clinton loved Reagan's policies? Hell no. I'm not stupid. Nor am I as willful in my (mis-)interpretations of what our candidates say as some.

[Tom Rinaldo]

93. Sure

I bet that's true. What we don't know is how accurately her comments to that editorial board are being reflected by this one line assertion. It's not a transcript, it's not even presented as a paraphrase of anything she said. It is not included as part of any discussion here that provides any context of what it is Hillary was talking about whatsoever, and there is no way to tell if they have it right or if they misinterpretted her or are misrepresenting her comments in any way, or ommiting anything relevent or important.

Other than that, no problem. What I said above is that at least we have a record of some comments Obama actually made in the full context of a longer discussion. Are some people twisting those comments now out of context? Sure. But at least we have some actual source material to use to judge for ourselves if Obama's comments are being twisted out of context when it happens. That simply is not true in this case.

[ursi]

51. Good catch, Jefferson Dem!

[Flabbergasted]

115. Indeed.

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[FrenchieCat]

212. QUIT SAYING THE TRUTH HAS ARRIVED......CAUSE THE TRUTH

ONLY ATTEMPTS TO MINIMIZE WHAT WAS CORRECT TO BEGING WITH.

SHE ADMIRED HIS "COMMUNICATIONS" SKILLS.

CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE CORRECTION SAYS. HE WASN'T HER FAVORITE, JUST ONE OF.

SO INSTEAD REAGAN WAS "ONE" OF HER FAVORITE PRESIDENT....

WHAT ABOUT BUSH SR.? HE'S A FAVORITE TOO, IT APPEARS. WONDER WHY?

[HughMoran]

242. I don't think the correction even says he is "one of" her favorites

Read it again, I only see the communication skills, but NOT "one of" her favorites even.

[EOTE]

233. Yes, the truth has arrived.

She's a reagan admiring corporatist? And you want to vote for this buffoon? Your 'correction' states that Reagan is one of Hillary's favorite presidents. Are you suggesting this is a good thing? Are you out of your mind?

[HughMoran]

249. It does?

Where?

"David Cutler, the co-owner of Salmon Press Newspapers, released the following statement:

The question posed was originally what portraits would you hang in the White House if you were President and as the dialogue progressed, who are the presidents you admire most?

She listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan’s communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn’t say anything close to that."

[EOTE]

272. Where did I say that she said he was her favorite?

I said she said he was one of her favorites. That's terrible enough for me, thanks. I'm not going to cut any candidate praising that asshole any slack. You can go right ahead supporting that awful corporatist, I've had enough, thank you very much.

[LoZoccolo]

53. This one seems to be bigging up pretty fast.

31 recs already.

[Luminous Animal]

58. More reason than ever to vote for Edwards. (n/t)

[elizm]

60. Imagine that. nt

[windoe]

67. Pro Reagan and pro war

passwords to the dark side far as I'm concerned

[ruggerson]

71. If she said this

she's just as wrong as Obama about this, and I'll have the exact same reaction I had to his remarks.

And I find it pathetic to see people making light of what Reagan did to this country.

[EFerrari]

74. It looks like they both have to invoke him to try for cross over votes.

Maybe there's something wrong with me, but it's f#cking nauseating.

[BootinUp]

110. Its possible that you are correct

If both of our major candidates have made that judgement it makes me hate our politics in the US a little more and it means they both should be given a pass in the interest of getting a Dem in the Wh. I still would greatly prefer seeing Hillary exact remarks before making a judgement though. I do not believe it should be necessary for our party to pander to Reagan history. :wtf:

[MrCoffee]

76. hear hear!

Any Democratic nominee invoking the name of the worst president ever for even the slightest praise should seriously rethink what their doing.

[Tom Rinaldo]

77. Obama at least can be judged by the context of his own remarks in full

Nothing is quoted here. I have no idea whether that newpapers editors were accurately reflecting whatever it is that Clinton supposedly said to them or someone else. I have no idea what editing and/or distortions they made to whatever her original comments might have been. Could be it's a Republican leaning paper that endorses someone from each party and the editors are doing their own spin here on something completely out of context to justify to themselves or their readers why Clinton is a centrist they can support.

She deserves to be judged by her actual words, as does Obama. This is heresay at best, without any attempt even made to explain intent to those reported sentiments.

[jefferson_dem]

80. That's such an unbelievable stretch.

If this was a random editorial burried in some newspapers archives, you might have a case. This is a press release on her own campaign's site. The fact that her list of favorite presidents does not include quotations means nothing. It's on her website. As such, they have stipulated to the authenticity of the contents.

[Tom Rinaldo]

86. See post #85 above n/t

[Renew Deal]

108. Hillary would be worser

:P

He's amongst her favorite's.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

72. Is it just me or has that news release been scrubbed away?

and if it has, do you have a screen cap of it as i want one

[rox63]

90. I just clicked on the link and found it still there n/t

[Bodhi BloodWave]

91. Thanks, i'll blame my computer/browser then :) n/t

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[skipos]

78. And it doesn't make me like her any less.

That is impossible.

[ShadesOfGrey]

88. Damn! Of the top three, she was in second place for me...

now she's dropped to last. Listing Reagan as a favorite president is much worse than what Obama said. Anyone that admires Reagan is not a true democrat. Period.

[BootinUp]

92. your link doesn't jive with that.

Until I see it context I reserve judgement.

[Flabbergasted]

106. It's on her website. Pretty clear.

[jefferson_dem]

111. Depends on what the definition of "favorite" is...

Complete with ... <finger wag>

[BootinUp]

112. I posted

just above some further comments if you are interested.

[ProSense]

94. Kick! n/t

[va4wilderness]

95. I'd disagree with some of those....

George HW Bush AND Reagan AND Adams. Not my "favorites".... Others - Jefferson, Lincoln, Roosevelts - along with Madison and Carter would probably make my partial list of favorites, for various reasons - both in and out of the White House.


But why didn't she list Lyndon Johnson here? I'm still trying to figure out why she was so impressed with Lyndon Johnson re. civil rights. Except, I guess, he was at the right place at the right time and did the right thing. You could say the same thing about Richard Nixon re. the signing of our landmark environmental laws (what an oddity it was when that fell into place) - at least that is what I am told by those who were around in the 60s.

[Tom Rinaldo]

98. Maybe she did name others

There is no acutal "list", just a line in a newspaper editorial, and they could have selectively presented whatever information they wanted to to justify their endorsement of her. There is no context to the comment. Absolutely none.

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[LoZoccolo]

99. The lesson is to remember that the fake outrage might boomerang right back! n/t

[Tom Rinaldo]

103. That I fully agree with. n/t

[Flabbergasted]

100. This is outrageous.... ; )

[angie_love]

104. good work

Oh snap, good work sherlock

[Imagevision]

105. Hillary just can't think of her own shit to score with the repugs..

[Renew Deal]

107. lol

:rofl:

[Bishop Rook]

114. Kick and rec.

Bush and Reagan?

If anybody, Nixon should be on this list before Bush and Reagan. At least he had a few decent policies, even if he was a hateful crooked liar.

[zulchzulu]

117. Yeah, well it's on some stupid web site, man! That dudn't count, dude!

Oh, wait... it's on www.hillaryclinton.com...

[LoZoccolo]

118. This thread is now on the front page. n/t

[Flabbergasted]

119. Good. I'm hoping it gets double it's current recs.

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[Laurab]

122. I can't help myself .

I just have to kick and recommend this, because it seems none of the Hillary supporters who started thread after thread in outrage about Obama yesterday have seen it, and I wouldn't want them to miss it.

[Not Sure]

123. Wow

Instead of piling on Reagan, I'll just ask this:

GHWBush?! Are you series?!

I give Hillary my Whiskey Tango Foxtrot award for the day.

[stlsaxman]

124. She served as president of the Wellesley Young Republicans organization during her freshman year.

Wiki siting her book "Living History"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton#College

Living History, p. 31.

ON EDIT: Wasn't Reagan at one point a member of the Communist Party?

truly a youthful indiscretion on both parts! ;)

[Bread and Circus]

156. nice...

[fascisthunter]

125. Ewwwww... Well. I Didn't Like Her Positions Anyways

Wake up America!!! We don't need faux democrats....

[Crunchy Frog]

126. Bwahahahahahaha!

This just made my evening. :rofl:

[Diane R]

127. Calling Keith Olbermann! Calling Chris Mathews! Ring, ring...hello Tucker?

[TankLV]

128. and all proved to be a FUCKING LIE!!

you obamanuts will stoop to ANY LIE to advance your idiotic rube on us...

shameful...

sorry, bot - YOU own the ray-gun crap - must be terrible to be you people these days...

simpley disgusting...

[LoZoccolo]

129. Clinton's own web site, lol. n/t

[jefferson_dem]

130. Right. Even though her own website says he's one of her faves, he's really not.

:rofl:

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[jefferson_dem]

170. History re-written in HillaryWorld...

No thanks.

[rodeodance]

203. oh come on--be a sport---The truth is wonderful to hear.

[Recursion]

131. She also canvassed Chicago for Nixon in 1960

And was in the Wellesley College Republicans
And interned for the House Republican Conference

Just sayin'...

[FrenchieCat]

213. Guess that's why JFK didn't make her list, hey?

[Tyler Durden]

134. SCREW BOTH OF THEM.

CLINTON and OBAMA.

Fuck both of them AND any good they see in that vile waste of humanity Reagan.

Screw ANYONE who has something good to say or any support for a Reagan Lover.

If EITHER Obama or Clinton are the nominee, I may have to get a FUCKING LOBOTOMY to vote for either of them Neither one was a prize, but this is purest BULLSHIT.

[frog92969]

146. Amen!

Damn, did I say that?

[rodeodance]

137. CORRECTION FROM SALEM NEWSPAPER: "She [Hill]did not say Reagan was her favorite President."

Forum Name General Discussion: Politics
Topic subject Salmon Press Newspapers,"She did not say Reagan was her favorite President."
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4112377#4112377
4112377, Salmon Press Newspapers,"She did not say Reagan was her favorite President."
Posted by rodeodance on Fri Jan-18-08 10:08 PM



http://www.dailykos.com /

from kos website:
Update II: Okay, the author of that editorial says they screwed up:

The question posed was originally what portraits would you hang in the White House if you were President and as the dialogue progressed, who are the presidents you admire most?

She listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan’s communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn’t say anything close to that.

So Hillary didn't say Reagan was one of her favorites either. She just praised his skills. Like someone else suddenly being attacked for doing the same….

From link in above story:
http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5309


Bad Oppo Alert! Hillary Did Not List Ronald Reagan As Favorite President

1/18/2008 8:55:40 PM

In an effort to divert attention from Senator Obama’s comments about President Reagan and his assertion that the GOP has been the "party of ideas," the Obama campaign circulated an item this evening from the Salmon Press in New Hampshire that asserts that Senator Clinton listed the former President as one of her favorite presidents. In fact, Senator Clinton only complimented President Reagan’s communications skills – an attribute of his that has been widely praised by Americans of all ideological stripes – and did not list him as one of her favorite presidents. She also noted that she respected George H.W. Bush.

David Cutler, the co-owner of Salmon Press Newspapers, released the following statement:

The question posed was originally what portraits would you hang in the White House if you were President and as the dialogue progressed, who are the presidents you admire most?

She listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan’s communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn’t say anything close to that.

[Barack_America]

148. She praised his communication skills. Obama praised his political skills...

Neither mentioned policy.

What's the fucking difference?

[mariojohnson]

161. The difference is, that in 2006, Obama said Reagan was great

Hillary has said no such thing, as far as I know. In an interview with Meet The Press in 2006, Obama said:

But I think, when I think about great presidents (emphasis added), I think about those who transform how we think about ourselves as a country in fundamental ways...And, you know, there are circumstances in which, I would argue, Ronald Reagan was a very successful president, even though I did not agree with him on many issues, partly because at the end of his presidency, people, I think, said, “You know what? We can regain our greatness. Individual responsibility and personal responsibility are important.” And they transformed the culture and not simply promoted one or two particular issues.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/obama_reagan_changed_direction_of_country_in_way_bill_clinton_didnt.php

[Barack_America]

166. Get a dictionary. Look up "great". It doesn't mean "golly gee, he was swell"...

It means that he was influential. And he was. Otherwise we still wouldn't be talking about him.

[mariojohnson]

169. Great does mean "golly gee, he was swell"

Michael Jordan=great=golly gee, he was swell"
FDR=great=golly gee, he was swell.

Great is a major compliment. Huge!

[dkf]

197. hahaha. This was what we were trying to say! Obama admires Reagan's communication skills.

Hillarious!

[stickernation]

172. wild !

it almost makes me feel like someone at her campaign actually reads DU and DailyKos ! i feel *significant* all of a sudden...

[rodeodance]

191. lots of good blogs out there

[jenmarie]

140. Misinformation

The author of that editorial says they screwed up:

The question posed was originally what portraits would you hang in the White House if you were President and as the dialogue progressed, who are the presidents you admire most?

She listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan’s communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn’t say anything close to that.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5309

Hey, but don't let that stop you from continuing to spread the lie.

[Flabbergasted]

283. She lists GHWB. How is it such a long shot that she likes Reagan?

[Danger Mouse]

144. Much as I hate Hillary, this IS out of context.

I'd have to see the quote in her own words before getting outraged over it.
I wouldn't be surprised, but...

[Barack_America]

151. She admits to praising...

...his communication skills. I don't see much difference between that and praising his political skills, which is all that Obama did.

[jefferson_dem]

155. Even the "damage control" memo is weak.

It says she praised his communication skills not that she *only* praised his communication skills.

Remember...Clintonian-speak is slippery.

[Danger Mouse]

163. Apples and apples, I guess.

I don't dislike her any more than I do now.

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[Barack_America]

168. See post #137 for History Rewritten...

At least Obama has the guts to stand up for what he says.

And I'm supposed to think that Hillary has what it takes to be President?

[rodeodance]

178. CHUCKLE CHUCKE--sour grapes comes to mind

[Barack_America]

180. What she said was as bad as what Obama said. And I'm enjoying watching...

y'all freak out about it.

[rodeodance]

188. It will be a Hollow freak out.

[stickernation]

162. please acknowledge EDWARDS' leadership here

his passionate putdown of Reagan ought to win a few points with you, even if you have Obama signs in your front yard.

Edwards continues to suss out the hidden links that are core to the two mainstream candidates and call them on hypocritical positions.

Obama and Clinton have both brought up Reagan in a powerful light. For Obama's part, I have yet to hear him bring up the bad side of Reagan. He should do what he commonly does and mimic Edwards' anti-Reagan announcement. Until such time, he isn't off the hook as a Reagan fan either.

there ought to be a corresponding POSITIVE bump for Edwards out of this entire mess, as he is obviously the only one who would dare deride the Reagan legacy. Clinton and Obama apparently are laying wreaths on his grave, only JOHN EDWARDS has the audacity to do his level best to damage the Reagan-worship-service. It feels like Howard Zinn is running for office.

[Bread and Circus]

175. umm... I'm going with Feingold when it comes to Edwards.

[CTLawGuy]

241. yes, Edwards has good leadership...

... leading us charging headlong into war in 2002. Thanks John!

[Bondor]

171. yuurghhh...

Either she is deceitfully trying to woo some of those brain-damaged "Reagan Democrats" or the Reagan-loving Repugs.... or she genuinely admires that charismatic, stupid criminal. Which is worse?

Why do the repugs consider him their best president?

[LulaMay]

173. And AGAIN.....WRONG

Read the statement from the Salmon Press that did the interview. She was asked to name some presidents she admired and did not include him, only acknowledged he was a good communicator, like any and every political analyst has.

She did not praise his presidency or the Republicans as the party of ideas!

[rodeodance]

181. most of the posts do not want any truths--just a chance to be snarky

[stevietheman]

174. Proof positive Hillary is a DINO. n/t

n/t

[Tyler Durden]

235. And Obama is Bobby Kennedy reincarnated.....

NOT.

[rodeodance]

176. CORRECTION: Salmon Press Newspapers,"She did not say Reagan was her favorite President."

Forum Name General Discussion: Politics
Topic subject Salmon Press Newspapers,"She did not say Reagan was her favorite President."
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4112377#4112377
4112377, Salmon Press Newspapers,"She did not say Reagan was her favorite President."
Posted by rodeodance on Fri Jan-18-08 10:08 PM



http://www.dailykos.com /

from kos website:
Update II: Okay, the author of that editorial says they screwed up:

The question posed was originally what portraits would you hang in the White House if you were President and as the dialogue progressed, who are the presidents you admire most?

She listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan’s communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn’t say anything close to that.

So Hillary didn't say Reagan was one of her favorites either. She just praised his skills. Like someone else suddenly being attacked for doing the same….

From link in above story:
http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5309


Bad Oppo Alert! Hillary Did Not List Ronald Reagan As Favorite President

1/18/2008 8:55:40 PM

In an effort to divert attention from Senator Obama’s comments about President Reagan and his assertion that the GOP has been the "party of ideas," the Obama campaign circulated an item this evening from the Salmon Press in New Hampshire that asserts that Senator Clinton listed the former President as one of her favorite presidents. In fact, Senator Clinton only complimented President Reagan’s communications skills – an attribute of his that has been widely praised by Americans of all ideological stripes – and did not list him as one of her favorite presidents. She also noted that she respected George H.W. Bush.

David Cutler, the co-owner of Salmon Press Newspapers, released the following statement:

The question posed was originally what portraits would you hang in the White House if you were President and as the dialogue progressed, who are the presidents you admire most?

She listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan’s communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn’t say anything close to that.

[Barack_America]

179. She just praised his communication skills. Unfortunately the audio was "damaged"

Figures, eh?

[rodeodance]

182. she did not say what he communicated was good or bad--Sound familar??

[ShortnFiery]

184. Kick. If you believe that, then would you believe HRC is named after the famous mountain climber?

:crazy:

[Barack_America]

190. Well, she did try and sell us that one, right? n/t

[rodeodance]

189. yes, so unfortunate

[LulaMay]

183. This is INCORRECT. She did not list him as a favorite president.

But why am I not surprised at this, after Obama admitted during the debate that his campaign HAD been pushing the story that Hillary and Bill were racially insensitive. I about fell off my chair. It greatly offended me, painting Hillary and Bill Clinton, of all people, as racially insensitive...pushing that sort of divide in our party that has fought hard for civil rights and against racism.

His remarks about Reagan and the 60's really angered me. They were offensive. Period.

I'm tired of Obama supporters claiming he did not praise Regan or the Republican party in his remarks. Yes, he did. He wasn't misquoted and nothing was taken out of context. He is very plain about it. Stating that the Republican party was the 'party of ideas' is complimentary, nothing less. It IS saying they had the ideas Democrats did not; that they were BETTER in that area for 10-15 years.

I watched the entire interview. He goes on to say he 'didn't come of age during the battles of the 60's, and is not so invested in them', that it's a 'generational thing', that he is not anti-war, and his frame of reference is not Vietnam, that he is not about that or like 'some 70's LOVE-IN'. He puts down 'Baby Boomers' specifically and implied that (we) and that great era aren't relevant now.

EXREMELY disappointing.

Don't bother telling me about the mistakes Bill Clinton made. First of all, he isn't running for president, contrary to the sexist spouting otherwise. I don't like some things he did either, 'welfare reform', NAFTA, but he didn;t have much voice at a certain point as conservatives tried to take him down, nor much to work with having a Republican congress. He still managed to do a LOT of good. And you wouldn't hear a speech like that praising Republicans and disrespecting the 60's come out of his mouth.

I'm sick of all of this. I want it to STOP.

This is OUR time, OURS, not any candidates time to use as they please. We must demand that in their campaign they don't tear down what we, what our party stands for.

I was glad they seemed to realize the damage that was being done to the party and refused to take the bait anymore at the debate. We needed it. I was relieved....GOOD, I thought, now we can put the focus back on BUSH and the REPUBLICANS.

WHY is Obama doing this now? To get Republican and Independent support?!

By trashing who we are, the era we made so much progress in, praise Republicans and RONALD REAGAN?!

He needs to cut it OUT so we can come out of this primary with our party platform and values intact...be able to say WE are the party of championing civil rights, fairness, equality. Be TOGETHER.

And if that's who Obama really is, then he is not the president for us.

We need to be steadfast as Democrats who we are and what our party platform, values are.

[rodeodance]

187. the Rush Limballs/Hannity types Will love this thread. Fodder for them and shameful for DU!!

[autorank]

192. "George H.W. Bush and Reagan" - just terrific. That's tolerance for...

fascism.

[TacticalPeek]

194. Double oooooopsie...

Salmon Press Newspapers,"She did not say Reagan was her favorite President."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4112377&mesg_id=4112377

[Barack_America]

198. Yeah, she just admired his "communication skills"...like that's so different...

than Obama admiring his "political skills"...

But she jumps on Obama and criticizes him for what he said.... :eyes:

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

200. Obama admired Reagan's policies too, the proof is in his book

As I'm sure you know, but for the benefit of others who may have missed the threads:

Audacity of Hope page 31:

"That Reagan's message found such a receptive audience spoke not only to his skills as a communicator; it also spoke to the failures of liberal government, during a period of economic stagnation, to give middle-class voters any sense that it was fighting for them. For the fact was government at every level had become to cavalier about spending taxpayer money. Too often bureaucracies were oblivious to the cost of their mandates. A lot of liberal rhetoric did seem to value rights and entitlements over duties and responsibilities. Reagan may have exaggerated the sins of the welfare state, and certainly liberals were right to complain that his domestic policies tilted heavily toward elites, with corporate raiders making tidy profits throughout the eighties while unions were busted and the income for the average working stiff flatlined.

Nevertheless, by promising to side with those who worked hard, obeyed the law, cared for their families, loved their country, Reagan offered Americans a sense of common purpose that liberals seemed no longer able to muster."

Pages 156-157

"The conservative revolution Reagan helped usher in gained traction because Reagan's central insight--that the liberal welfare state had grown complacent and overly bureaucratic, with Democratic policy makers more obsessed with slicing the economic pie than with growing he pie--contained a good deal of truth."

Talk of expanding the pie rather than slicing it, is a DLC-style smokescreen for talking about cutting back on social programs.

[jefferson_dem]

224. Tripple ooooopsie...

The audio was *supposedly* damaged...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4111936

I call bullshit.

[speedoo]

196. She probably thinks these two guys are terrific as well....

[Barack_America]

199. Well, she did come out in support of Lieberman keeping his committee positions.. n/t

[Chulanowa]

201. In other words, the recent ones and the big ones?

Why no love for McKinley or Garfield? Or the otherAdams?! And for the love of, Chester C. Arthur is certainly spinning in his grave.

[GreenTea]

202. It was "Democratic" MODERATES who put Reagan over the top!

And, abandoned an environmentally aware, no war, for the people, Jimmy Carter, sad, but true, (with Reagan's bullshit promises for the "ME" generation)! Moderates!

[usregimechange]

204. One of her favorites?

[Tom Joad]

206. If someone asked me who my favorite leaders are i would give a very different list.

My favorite leaders include Nelson Mandala and Fredrick Douglas, Fannie Lou Hamer is my favorite Democrat. the millions of people who marched against Johnson/Nixon's Vietnam war. the tens of million of people who marched against the Iraq war (before it was fashionable to oppose it-- they showed leadership!). Rachel Corrie. Woody Guthrie. The young folk in the military who resist the Iraq war. Israelis who refuse to obey the draft. and draft resisters everywhere. Martin Luther King. but also the people who filled up the Washington Mall when King talked about his dream. Malcolm X and Daniel Berrigan. Cesar Chavez and Muhammed Ali. Dorothy Day and Cindy Sheehan. Dan Ellsberg.

ain't got a single President on my list. Don't expect i will for a very long time.

[Barack_America]

210. Yeah, but how do those people poll?

I mean, would mentioning them really score you any points, politically speaking?


(please note sarcasm)

ETA: And great list, by the way.

[jeff30997]

211. Butbutbut look at this face and tell me what's no to be loved:

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

217. Pro-Reagan Quotes From Obama's Book

For anyone who may have missed them:

Audacity of Hope page 31:

"That Reagan's message found such a receptive audience spoke not only to his skills as a communicator; it also spoke to the failures of liberal government, during a period of economic stagnation, to give middle-class voters any sense that it was fighting for them. For the fact was government at every level had become to cavalier about spending taxpayer money. Too often bureaucracies were oblivious to the cost of their mandates. A lot of liberal rhetoric did seem to value rights and entitlements over duties and responsibilities. Reagan may have exaggerated the sins of the welfare state, and certainly liberals were right to complain that his domestic policies tilted heavily toward elites, with corporate raiders making tidy profits throughout the eighties while unions were busted and the income for the average working stiff flatlined.

Nevertheless, by promising to side with those who worked hard, obeyed the law, cared for their families, loved their country, Reagan offered Americans a sense of common purpose that liberals seemed no longer able to muster."

Pages 156-157

"The conservative revolution Reagan helped usher in gained traction because Reagan's central insight--that the liberal welfare state had grown complacent and overly bureaucratic, with Democratic policy makers more obsessed with slicing the economic pie than with growing he pie--contained a good deal of truth."

Talk of expanding the pie rather than slicing it, is a DLC-style smokescreen for talking about cutting back on social programs.

[ima_sinnic]

219. I've decided I WON'T vote for either Clinton or Obama in the GE, no matter what

I've become totally apathetic about the GE. Neither one of them seems worth voting for. I vowed long ago never to vote for Clinton--she is just a triangulating status-quo DLC trojan horse, warmonger, and globalist corporate profiteer. What few have mentioned in this thread is her "admiration" for * Sr. on top of Reagan -- the two Iran-Contra traitors who should have been hung from the gallows. I won't forget that it was Bill Clinton who swept that under the rug and now hangs out with the Don as though they were two peas in a pod.

I have long regarded Obama as a tool in the making and not really very experienced -- but all this Reagan bullshit has really turned me off. If he can't leave Reagan out of his campaign -- is he desperate, pandering, or what? -- then he doesn't have very good judgment. He just does not do anything for me.

As an American citizen, I do have the right either to not vote at all, or to write in somebody.

[personman]

220. Well that's it then...

For the next debate, the "democratic" politicians should have a Reagan's corpse fucking contest...

The elites have far more in common with each other than with us.

[wiley]

221. The TRUTH is a month old. She never said any of that crap.

I see desperate O people. Watch the clip babies. This is sad.
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=26850

[jefferson_dem]

222. Damage Control Alert. Damage Control Alert...Taylor Marsh to the rescue..

:rofl:

[Perry Logan]

223. Response #137 contains the debunking. All statements made by Obamites about Hillary are false.

[jefferson_dem]

226. Ya. Just because Hillary's own website says Raygun is one of her faves, he really isn't.

Sure. That sounds reasonable...if you couple an angry denial with a finger wag.

Any other bits of misinformation on the site they want to come clean on?

[Perry Logan]

227. Read post 137. Take the hit--and move on to your next bogus claim.

[HughMoran]

246. "The Salmon Press endorsement editorial follows:"

It was an endorsement and it was poorly written.

"She listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan’s communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn’t say anything close to that."

Fact or fiction, you decide...

[dailykoff]

225. What would you expect from a former intern to Gerald Ford

and the Republican caucus? Oh yeah, and president of her college Young Republicans?

:shrug:

[rAVES]

228. This is one of those times that both Obama and Hillary supporters should just STFU about Reagan....

Jesus christ you all are like kids... Polititians say nice things about dead ex presidents... get the fuck over it and move on.

[Major Hogwash]

231. Jesus Christ - rodeodance is dancing his ass off in this thread!!

Pretty gawd damned funny. Reminds me of the way Elaine danced on Seinfeld years ago.

[HughMoran]

244. So misstatements should not be corrected?

You believe in promoting lies if you like what they say?

wow!

[AllyCat]

232. Doesn't anyone else think this is bad when our Prez candidates like Reagan?

Ugh! He was horrible. And they are bringing him up as a great man? We are in trouble.

[liberal N proud]

234. I don't get it

Why would anyone think Raygun was great?
The man didn't have a clue what was going on for most of his presidency. The nation crumbled around him and set up the problems we have now with the current regime.

Damn glad I support Edwards and this week just reaffirmed it.

[HughMoran]

238. not true?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4108953#4112394

[liberal N proud]

247. Oh wow that's different

She praised his communication skills. Obama praised his political skills

The man was evil and should not be praised at all least by a Democratic candidate.

SORRY!
Still glad I support Edwards.

[HughMoran]

250. "communication skills" is a pretty broad statement

I don't care what Obama said, this post has nothing to do with Obama.

[Barack_America]

253. "political skills" is a pretty broad statement...

And that's all Obama praised him for.

They're even.

[HughMoran]

259. How many times do I have to say this post is NOT ABOUT OBAMA

You're obsessed and it makes having a discussion with you impossible!

Why must you obsessively draw the comparison to Obama?

[Barack_America]

270. Sorry, that's sort of par for the course around here.

"She's better" "No, he's better"... blah blah blah.

I can turn it off though, if you really want to discuss this.

[earth mom]

236. What more proof to people need that BOTH Clintons are rethuglicans in dem clothing?

First Bill is best buddies with Poppy *.

Now Hillary says one of her favorite presidents is that dirty rotten disgusting bastard Reagan!

WTF WTF WTF! :wtf:

Sorry, but this bullshit can NOT be defended by people who are REAL, HONEST AND ETHICAL democrats.

To anyone who tries to defend this: you are a lying two faced sack o shit! :grr:

[HughMoran]

237. Except that this post is wrong so don't promote a lie

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4108953#4112394

[INdemo]

245. As I 've said before ,Hillary and Obama are both Republican lites

and a real progressive Democrat would never consider voting for either one of them......Edward's or Kucinich are only Democrats we have running for the Democratic nomination....

Note: Remember Hillary was a Republican in college,worked for Republican candidates and obviously has never shed her Republican lining...

[lanlady]

251. god I despise her pandering

Typical muddled Hillary b.s.

[RoccoR5955]

252. Now the Dem Frontrunners like that bastard!!!!!

Who the heck is one supposed to vote for?
I have been backing Kucinich all along, with Edwards as a second choice.
If one of the top two Reagan-lovers runs against a Reagan wannabe (republican), who the heck are we supposed to vote for?

[RoccoR5955]

254. Post #137 is conspicous in its absence! n/t

[Politicub]

255. He isn't one of my favorites

It's too bad that Hillary can't claim the highroad on the Reagan lovefest. At least John came out with guns blazing against Obama's desire to emulate Reagan as an agent of change.

[Sam Ervin jret]

256. I am ashamed of this thread. How often will you be mislead, thrown raw spoiled meat and poisoned

before you do your homework instead of just reacting like a pack of Pavlovian dogs? Have we learned nothing? Have we not learned to check, double check and then follow the link to the real source before we jump to a conclusion we "feel" we "know" is "right". "it makes so much sense" "I knew it about her all along" "what did I tell you"

Pathetic!! Why do you think we are at WAR??? Because of this type of behavior!! Because the powers that use WORDS AND MEDIA know that people react. Then think. Then by the time they want to act it's too late. The troops are off in some god forsaken country dying for some unholy reason.

Reason. That's the word for the day. Try it. Use your god given gifts as thinking human beings to THINK. ASK questions. Did she really say that? What was the context? What was the original question and who asked the question? Is there a direct quote or is this some interpretation of what SHE SAID.


REASON let's try it. And this post is not brought to you by a Hillary for President supporter. In the interest of full disclosure I was for Biden until he droped out. Now I am weighing all three with a favoring toward Edwards.

[Ishoutandscream2]

258. 3 Republicans to admire

Lincoln
TR
Eisenhower (and that's a push).

Anymore, and you are on my shit list.

[bvar22]

262. Eisenhower and Teddy Roosevelt

would be "Edwards Democrats" in today's political environment.


I admire Hillary's consistency.
The values of a Goldwater Girl would match up perfectly with the values of a Clinton Democrat (DLC) today!!!

Hillary hasn't changed.
The Democratic Party has changed!






"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[Hart2008]

260. Bill Clinton was commended for "patriotic" work by Reagan for helping the Contras!

Reagan sent several National Guard units to Honduras to train the Contras.

The Arkansas National Guard went and then Gov. Clinton ordered them to leave their equipment behind to be turned over to the Contras.

Reagan loved Clinton for this, and commended him for his "patriotic" work.

Hillary also helped and was "a closet Contra supporter":

She quietly aided Contra fund-raising in Little Rock. She also used her influence in US liberal circles to undercut the legitimacy of peace activists and pro-Sandinista church groups opposed to President Reagan's policies in Central America.

http://192.80.61.73/WebVAX/ETnew/wclin09Jun96.html

(The source is ROGER Morris, a former NSC advisor appointed by LBJ who resigned in protest of Nixon's illegal invasion of Cambodia. This is not DICK Morris, Clinton's toe sucking Republican consultant.)

Hillary's support of Junior's invasion and occupation of Iraq is consistent with her right wing foreign policies of the past.

[yardwork]

261. You've got to fucking be kidding me.

[lonestarnot]

264. Oh my gawd....

:eyes:

[Kahuna]

265. Can't be! Say it ain't so!

:sarcasm:

[benld74]

266. SO did she inhale or not?,,, YOU DECIDE!!!

[fooj]

267. So, I ask...

When are you people going to ally yourselves with a candidate that doesn't gush in adoration for Reagan?

Progressives, my ass.

[defendandprotect]

268. Uh-Oh . . . not good . . . shocking, but glad she told us --- !!!

Evidently, she doesn't get Reagan --- the whole thing --- nor October Surprise, nor
Iran-Contra, S&L Theft and Embezzlements --- BCCI ---

[defendandprotect]

269. Hillary also included GEORGE H. W. BUSH --- is she nuts or what? ---

"George H.W. Bush and Reagan" ---

[Flabbergasted]

286. No the Clinton's are Republicans.

[Gloria]

273. Did say that she wasn't INVESTED in all the events of the prior years

like Obama said, and then launched into his crap about how Reagan changed the country with all those good ideas?? THAT IS THE REAL GARBAGE...just wanting to "move on" from the stuff we fought for and that Reagan began dismantling!!! Get it??

[Flabbergasted]

285. Except Obama never said that. nt

[Gloria]

291. Er, I saw the tape...he did say he wasn't INVESTED.....

There's more than one part to that interview!!!!

[Flabbergasted]

kick

[Flabbergasted]

275. kick

[goodgd_yall]

277. OK, I'll respond like an Obama supporter

when confronted with Obama's comments on Reagan:

She said he was a favorite, but not WHY he was a favorite. It doesn't mean she agreed with his policies. Maybe she likes his personal qualities, or how he ran his campaign?

[drm604]

278. Cripes.

:banghead:

[orleans]

279. wtf is with our democratic candidates doing all this republika worshiping? YUCK! n/t

[LaloBorges]

281. There you go again...

"Favourite" does not mean "admire". It is so easy to get anything out of context just to throw sones at your least favourite candidate who will win the nomination and you will have to vote for anyway...

Save your negatives for the repubs...

[Flabbergasted]

284. She admires them both.

[Tektonik]

282. Nice find

The Dem. campaign seems to be a race to the bottom to see who can pander to the right the most. :puke:

[Flabbergasted]

287. seemingly.

[rodeodance]

290. but you missed this CORRECTION:

ORRECTION: Salmon Press Newspapers,"She did not say Reagan was her favorite President."

Forum Name General Discussion: Politics
Topic subject Salmon Press Newspapers,"She did not say Reagan was her favorite President."
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
4112377, Salmon Press Newspapers,"She did not say Reagan was her favorite President."
Posted by rodeodance on Fri Jan-18-08 10:08 PM



http://www.dailykos.com /

from kos website:
Update II: Okay, the author of that editorial says they screwed up:

The question posed was originally what portraits would you hang in the White House if you were President and as the dialogue progressed, who are the presidents you admire most?

She listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan’s communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn’t say anything close to that.

So Hillary didn't say Reagan was one of her favorites either. She just praised his skills. Like someone else suddenly being attacked for doing the same….

From link in above story:
http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5309


Bad Oppo Alert! Hillary Did Not List Ronald Reagan As Favorite President

1/18/2008 8:55:40 PM

In an effort to divert attention from Senator Obama’s comments about President Reagan and his assertion that the GOP has been the "party of ideas," the Obama campaign circulated an item this evening from the Salmon Press in New Hampshire that asserts that Senator Clinton listed the former President as one of her favorite presidents. In fact, Senator Clinton only complimented President Reagan’s communications skills – an attribute of his that has been widely praised by Americans of all ideological stripes – and did not list him as one of her favorite presidents. She also noted that she respected George H.W. Bush.

David Cutler, the co-owner of Salmon Press Newspapers, released the following statement:

The question posed was originally what portraits would you hang in the White House if you were President and as the dialogue progressed, who are the presidents you admire most?

She listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan’s communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn’t say anything close to that.
"Glory Days"

[JVS]

292. Oh dear.

:popcorn: