Kerry BETTER win in November...

[AmyStrange]

because if he doesn't, I will remember 2004 with a vengeance in 2008.

I am going against everything I believe in to not say anything negative against Kerry until AFTER the election in November.

But if he doesn't win this November, all you people who are promoting Kerry as the only one who will beat Bush in 2004 (DNC, DLC, most primary and caucus voters, and his supportors on this list) will be proven wrong, and your credibility will be next to worthless in 2008.

If Kerry does win in November, I will never again profundicate my view as the right view ever again. It will be worth it to see Bush out of the WH and besides it's only fair that I myself do what I'm asking others to do. Of course some idiots in here will be idiots no matter how wrong they have been proven to be in the past, and I vow not to be that kind of idiot ever again.

Of course, if Kerry does lose, some of you will try to blame it on Dean or Nader or anything else except the real problem, which is that the Democratic party needs to be fixed and the combined wisdom of everyone who fought against fixing it for this election also needs to re-evaluate what it really means to be electable and what it means to be the party of the people.

Thank you for your time and I will now return you to your regularly scheduled program - mud wrestling in the DU.


Dave (AmyStrange.com) Ayotte
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[Streetdoc270]

1. So your saying

That you will support the Republican candidate aginst President Edwards in 2008?

[Monument]

5. Kerry will need your help to win. Can't do it on his own.

[AmyStrange]

34. I will do all that I can do...

and nothing more.

Welcome to the DU by the way,

d

[AmyStrange]

12. No I am not saying that?

but it is good to hear that you are thinking for yourself and not letting anyone else do your thinking for you. Good for you,

d

[Andy_Stephenson]

91. Dave!!!!!

Nice to see you again....Real nice!

Andy

[AmyStrange]

92. it has been too long hasn't it...

good to see you're still hanging out also,

are we on a mission or what?

d

[Andy_Stephenson]

94. You do of course know...

I am running for office...right?

[AmyStrange]

96. No I didn't...

which office?

d

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

107. SOS

Washington State.

[Demeter]

2. Good Point Dave!

That's all we Deaniacs and Kucinich fanatics have been saying--the party is broken, and doing the Bush lite bit is a loser all around.

[AmyStrange]

22. yup

that's definitely some of it - politics as usual,

And thanx for the kind words.

d

[Hippo_Tron]

23. Bush lite is something Dean made up because the DLC was against him...

Dean calls them Republicans, they call him weak on national security that's how it went. Dean is no more liberal than Kerry.

[formernaderite]

41. Kerry's not Bush-lite...he's just a weather vane...

...which is why I agree with the original poster. If Kerry loses, then there has to be a massive reorganization of values within this party. You can't vote with the Republican President on a war and then decide your vote meant something else. You can't vote against a stupid defense of marriage act, and then claim you support that act and feel we don't need a constitutional amendment. At some point you have to stand for something...Howard Dean did. This isn't a who is more or less liberal race....it should have been who places the corner stone for democratic values.

[regnaD kciN]

66. That's true...

Edwards is more Bush-lite than Kerry...because, on issues like the IWR, he has no doubts that his vote backing Bush was the right one. I disagree with him, but he's consistent. (Or should that be, "He's consistent, but I disagree with him"...?) Kerry, OTOH, is indeed a weathervane.

I think that what causes many progressives to classify Kerry as Bush-lite is more that he was clearly an establishment-approved candidate in a way that Dean or Kucinich was not. And the establishment, in this case, are those spokesentities at the DNC, DLC, et. al. that have adopted the role of appeasement (or as they would call it "level-headedness," "compromise," and "pragmatism") since Bush's accession, an appeasement that, it is clear by now, has benefited Bush in virtually everything and our party in nothing.

And, personally, I suspect that it was just this willingness to "go along to get along" that made Kerry an acceptable candidate for "the powers that be." As others have pointed out, strictly on his twenty-year voting record alone, Kerry would qualify as one of the most liberal of all Democratic senators. He would probably place to the left of Dean, and possibly of Kucinich. So why is he acceptable, and they aren't? Isn't it because they were willing to rock the boat, to attack the status-quo, to suggest that the strategy crafted by the powers that be is a disaster for Democrats? Kerry, on the other hand, is a "good soldier" who won't shake things up too much, regardless of his stand on specific issues.

Does anyone think that, had Kerry stood alongside Kennedy and spoke alongside Byrd on IWR, if his vote had been "no," that the party elite would have been so willing to support him for the nomination? Probably, with such a vote, Kerry would have become the favorite among progressives here and elsewhere instead of Dean or Kucinich, while party insiders would have been spreading the meme that he was "too liberal" and "unelectable," and how Kerry as a nominee would have guaranteed an across-the-board GE disaster in November...

:-(

[AmyStrange]

77. welcome to the DU

I'm sorry that I am so late in saying hi,

"corner stone for democratic values"

I like that

all us first and second and third party voters need to get together and forge a three point agreement on Environment, Labor, and three point welfare accounbtability.

Three points, because three points are needed for stability in almost all physical realities... or something like that...

d

[formernaderite]

88. Thank you...I even feel welcome here at times ;)

eom

[Nicholas_J]

103. Out of all of the candidates

Kerry has the highest record of voting against issues that the DLC supported. Dean more frequently supported the DLC's platform when he was governor than any of the other candidates. Where Dean differed from the DLC was that he demanded even more fiscal conservatism that the DLC found acceptable.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. I think it will take a great deal of synergy..so how about helping with

that win beyond just a vote, Dave?

[AmyStrange]

14. I honestly can't NSM...

I would have to be able from Kerry's point of view and alot of the things he has done, I am totally against. I can do it in jest though, but not in any viable thoughtfully intelligent and honest way.

Sorry,

d

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

18. How about if we focus on those areas where Kerry's values are

in a dance with yours?

Certainly there have to be some. He's got the best environmental record of all the candidates. He actively tried via legislation to stop corporations from hiding money offshore that harms people here and abroad. He investigated many who are currently in this admin and gave it his best shot. He avoids taking PAC money. He spent less in television advertising, and spent more on the ground to include people in his quest for the top job.

[AmyStrange]

27. Most of it was political

nothing wrong with it. It just takes too much time to explain how exactly it isn't politics as usual.

I admired his going to Vietnam even though he was rich and that he saved lives and he came back and testified against it. That took guts. He reminds me of an extremely intelligent Forest Gump if you know what I mean.

But he voted for IWR and no matter how you spin it and no matter how well you explain it, he voted for something he didn't have to because the President was going to war no matter what (according to many people in here - ask Nicholas_J or blm) and maybe I'm thickheaded, but I still think that he still didn't have to vote for it. It would have passed anyway. I hated that vote. I spent months last year and 2002 protesting that war and his vote let me let me down big time. I took hundreds of photos of all those protest here in Seattle:

http://www.SeattleActivist.org/PixIndex.html

I know it's a single issue kind of thing, but I can't get past it.

Again sorry,

d

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

28. OK. I'm not gonna press that

But I still think that makes it all the more incumbent to do everything we can to get rid of the person without which that poor choice might not have been made.

[AmyStrange]

35. Well I am helping by...

getting MurikanDemocrat (and others like him) all ticked off so they will work their butts off even more to prove me wrong. I suspect though that MD was going to do it anyway without my prompting, but I am helping to keep MD "properly" motivated by pissing them off enough to respond to (what I'm sure MD thinks) are infantile, childish rantings of a mad man - I just don't know why MD keeps responding if that's what they think my post are?

When does the DU Lounge open for cocktails on a Saturday Shocks? I'm looking for a cold one right about now,

d

[buddhamama]

49. hey Dave,

the IWR bothers me deeply too.

Kerry having been to Viet Nam and his activism afterward, his knowledge of the lies and manipulation of the public that got us involved in that quagmire, makes his vote for Iraq worse then the rest,imo.

[AmyStrange]

54. hey buddha

thanx for the support

you are so right. One of the best ways of getting over something is by fixing it so it never happens again.

You are the best,

Dave

[IndianaGreen]

4. I think that Kerry will win by a landslide in November

The mistake that Kerry and his supporters will make, and this is a prediction, is that they will think that Kerry won by virtue of being a strong candidate. Nothing would be farther from the truth! The reality is that the extremist reactionary agenda of the Bush/Cheney Administration will be rejected by many of its former supporters among fiscal conservatives and libertarians, and by a vast majority of independent voters.

The new Kerry Administration will come under pressure shortly after taking office from the Left to disengage from Iraq and repeal PATRIOT. The anti-Bush fiscal conservatives will also pressure Kerry to bring back fiscal discipline to the federal budget to restraint the runaway deficit.

There isn't going to be a honeymoon!

[AmyStrange]

40. It will be interesting...

no matter what happens,

d

[salin]

99. This is why there should not be a focus only on the presidency

http://www.prospect.org/print/V15/2/kuttner-r.html

I think that Kerry has potential to be politically cautious, and has the potential to be politically bold. In his career, he has done both.

My opinion of what kind of President is made by Kerry changes signficantly when I envision him as President with a democratic Congress - and a democratic congress that is once again empowering some of its more progressive voices to speak out.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

6. The Democratic Party needs to be fixed? We won three in a row.

Looking at a fourth.

You are absolutely correct in supporting Kerry. Edwards in 2012.

[AmyStrange]

15. barely won three in a row...

that is not a good thing,

d

[wyldwolf]

24. Now they're complaining that the three in a row weren't decisive enough!

:eyes:

[WitchWay]

60. It needs to be fixed...

What about the 2002 elections? I didn't see much winning, there.

[earthsea wizard]

95. Not Even Close

Election Results from 1992 - 2002

*************************************************

1992
Won control of the Whitehouse
Won control both houses of Congress

1994
Failed to Win Control of both houses of Congress

1996
Won control of Whitehouse
Failed to Win Control of both houses of Congress

1998
Failed to Win Control of both houses Congress

2000
Won Vote for Whitehouse*
Failed to Win Control of both houses Congress

2002
Failed to Win Control of both houses Congress

*************************************************

*Obviously, Dems didn't get to control the Whitehouse in 2000.

Thats only 5 wins in 15 attempts, and only if I count the 2000 Presidential race as a "win."

I didn't bother to add Governorships because I could only find results going back to 1998 (in that time, we never controlled the Governorships).

And, I didn't bother to point out that we won the Whitehouse in 92 and 96 with less than a majority. If Perot hadn't of split the Repug vote, we may have lost both times.

At the very best, maximizing our results, we have a 33% success rate.

Yep, we're right on track. Don't fix anything!

[AmyStrange]

97. good analysis...

and welcome to the DU

...again,

d

101. But we lost the house and the senate !!!!

and haven't gained it back.
On that level it's really important to draw distinctions between Demmocrats and Republicans
That really needs to be addressed.

[Faygo Kid]

7. More breathless hyperbole.

Your posts are becoming repetitive, AmyStrange, and more than a bit over the top. With all due respect, of course, there is nothing new here. I like that sentence, "Of course some idiots in here will be idiots no matter how wrong they have been proven to be in the past, and I vow not to be that kind of idiot ever again." Quite a vow; is that your idea of dialogue?

[AmyStrange]

16. If you say so (n/t)

[wyldwolf]

8. By the same token, if he wins, YOUR credibility will be worthless...

"DNC, DLC, most primary and caucus voters, and his supportors on this list" - damn, that about covers everyone, doesn't it?

[AmyStrange]

10. Yes my credibility will be worthless...

I am not one of those "everyone" you talk about.

d

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

13. Lay off of Dave

He's a nice guy that only agitates if and when he does in the most supportive manner..I appreciate him.

[wyldwolf]

17. Say what? "Lay off" Dave?

Sorry, no one gets a free pass. If he's going to wag his finger at everyone over the supposition that Kerry loses, he gets it back on the prospect of a Kerry win.

That's how it works.

[AmyStrange]

21. I think he means for now...

but after the election both of us are allowed to attack each other depending upon (of course) which one was right,

d

[regnaD kciN]

68. I don't see any "supposition"...

...only the hypothesis of what we should do if the Democrats lose in November.

There's a huge difference between saying that "I think Kerry is going to lose!" and "If Kerry loses, this is what my activism will be like in the next four years."

Since AmyStrange is not making any predictions about the outcome of the election, a Kerry victory would not prove said poster "wrong." Therefore, there's no place for gloating.

102. He's willing to get it back, he said so in his original post

"If Kerry does win in November, I will never again profundicate my view as the right view ever again."

[AmyStrange]

19. Thanx Shocks (n/t)

[MurikanDemocrat]

58. I've made my own decision to back off somewhat where AmyStrange

is concerned prior to seeing this post of yours, but NOT because of orders from you to do so.

Indeed.

[AmyStrange]

61. NSMA is on your side...

MD.

He is a good friend of mine and a very valuable supporter of Kerry,

I appreciate that he supports me despite my feelings about kerry,

d

[MurikanDemocrat]

70. NSMA is on Kerry's side, that's true

And NSMA is a she, not a he.

And I don't take kindly to ORDERS. I don't care who they are from.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

105. There's a lot of things in life *her highness* doesn't appreciate either

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

104. I hadn't noticed I was talking to you

[littlejoe]

9. If Kerry DOESN'T win in November, it's not going to matter much

now, will it?

[AmyStrange]

11. It will matter in 2008 don't you think? (n/t)

[Protagoras]

33. So I've heard some people speculate.

One has to wonder if * gets a second term why he'd want to give up a shot at a 3rd...or if they can't get that ammendment passed, if Jeb is willing to steal an election for G then why wouldn't he do the same for himself?

[AmyStrange]

37. I think...

it takes more than four years to pass an ammendment like that. I could be wrong. I frequently am,

d

[AmyStrange]

38. Welcome to the DU by the way (n/t)

n/t or nt or eom = "no text" in message

(EDIT: "not text" to "no text")

[regnaD kciN]

67. No...

...because, if Kerry loses, Edwards will be acclaimed as the inevitable 2008 nominee as soon as the votes are counted.

If Kerry is the nominee, nothing will change in the party structure. The status-quo DNC and "Democrats are too liberal" DLC will still be the people in charge in November. And they will be quick to spread the "official" explanation for Kerry's loss: that he was perceived by too many Americans as a "60's activist liberal." I'm sure there will also be some blame thrown at Dean and his supporters for "disrupting" the party. The perscription will be, as always, to get rid of the "elitist liberal activist minority" and "move to the center." And who will be a better candidate for that than a charismatic young senator from the south who has shown a willingness to abandon "outdated, knee-jerk liberal ideology" and think for himself "in a new direction" by standing with the "newly re-elected President" on selected key issues?

:puke:

[TreasonousBastard]

20. Tell ya what...

maybe we should go back to the good ol' days when we elected Wilson, FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Carter with the REAL Democratic party of racist Dixiexcrats and inner city machines like Tammany Hall and Daly's Chicago. A little unsolicited and unacknowledged help from the Communists wasn't hard to turn down during the Depression, either.

I'm sure we can find another Jennings to run.

Alas, our Party has grown with the times, and the times they are a'changing. Just not that much sympathy for the left wing out there any more. And there aren't all that many working machines delivering guranteed votes.

Well over a hundred million people will vote in November, and you have to find about half, at least, of them to vote for us.

No way you're gonna find 50-60-70 million people voting for a lefty these days. It's tough enough to get them to vote against an incompetant incumbant.

Anyway, looks like you've got Kerry to kick around if we pull defeat out of the jaws of victory again. Aren't you the lucky one it wasn't Dean or Kucinich, or someone else you don't hate as much.

[MurikanDemocrat]

25. I'd rather you vote for Bush and spare us the bullshit. No guarantees

that any candidate is going to win, and you have taken the position that if you cannot have YOUR choice of candidate that you are ENTITLED to an ultimatum because you suppose YOUR candidate could do better.

NOT SO. All the evidence points to the FACT that if a candidate can NOT win in a single State among Democrats VOTING then that same candidate can NOT win in a general election, it is time for YOU to get over that fact, and NOT for the rest of us to appease your childish aspirations at emotional extortion and blackmail head games to blame DU Kerry supporters.

If Kerry is indeed the nominee it is because of the will of the rank and file of the Democratic party and their collective votes, and NOT because of a minority here at DU and GD 2004 that you wish to hold responsible with head fucks because, I presume, Dean did not get the nomination. I am so fucking tired of THAT particular mantra. Get the fuck over that already. DU did not cause this.

Good luck on your self pity mission. I, for one, will not be counting on support from people like you who are addicted to loss and martyrdom, but will be busting my ass to WIN this election. I suspect you would prefer we lose it so you could nurture a need for martyrdom and loss that you could shove up some collective DU asses.

[janx]

30. Have a beer. Take a load off. It's almost Saturday night!

:toast:

[AmyStrange]

32. Sounds like a plan (n/t)

[MurikanDemocrat]

43. Okay. Don't mind if I do!

:beer:

[AmyStrange]

62. interesting how much we agree on when we set aside hostilities

isn't it kinda alot like running through the poppy fields in the Wizard of Oz,

Sometimes life sucks and sometimes you make friends,

d

[MurikanDemocrat]

71. If you repeat this I will deny it AmyStrange, but

I am beginning to like you for some strange reason.

Hopefully this will pass when I sober up.;-)

[AmyStrange]

73. I promise not to repeat this...

but, hopefully this will not pass and we can work together some how. Kerry and Dean supporters working together would be phenomenal don't you think?

d

[MurikanDemocrat]

80. I've always considered this possible

Many a Dean supporter have passed over from the other side to the Kerry camp.

[AmyStrange]

83. I wish you luck...

but i'm not passing over to the Kerry side anytime soon. That's where I draw the line.
Sorry,

d

(EDIT: spelling)

[MurikanDemocrat]

87. Go to bed, LOL!

[AmyStrange]

31. Exactly...

now get out there and work your butt off to prove me wrong, but (if Kerry loses in Nov) whoa is you who backed the DNC and DLC and their ilk by helping to push Kerry as THE ONLY nominee who will beat Bush.

If I am wrong, I will take my lumps. Will you, if you are wrong? I suspect though that you will hide behind blaming Dean or Nader or anything else except the real problem,

d

[MurikanDemocrat]

42. No sale, AmyStrange

I never backed any agenda for the DNC or the DLC, NOR have I ever subscribed to any notion to push Kerry as the ONLY candidate that can beat Bush in November.

I happen to believe that Kerry is the BEST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE for the position if POTUS, and I felt so BEFORE IA or NH voters weighed in on the matter.

I happen to believe that Kerry is the BEST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE for the position if POTUS, and I felt so BEFORE Dean fell flat on his ass.

IF Kerry loses the election in November it is impossible to say 9 months ahead of time why that is NOW. I CAN say for sure it wouldn't be because of Nader or Dean.

I can also say for SURE that Dean would LOSE FOR SURE in the GE against Bush, because he can't even win a primary state that is mostly Democratic voters. So it is OBVIOUS he wouldn't be able to win in a GE and gain the swing voters necessary to win an election.

And NO, I will NOT join your pity party. Not now, or not ever. You are rooting for a loss, and I will not join your head games.

[AmyStrange]

44. Sorry if I misrepresented you...

for that I apologize. If Kerry is your guy and has been your guy all along and you honestly believe in him and his values are your values, then it is your duty to fight for him with all the passion you hold dear.

You see all this as a pity party and that's fine. I will accept that you honestly believe that, but that is not what I am about. I am more of a drama queen that loves the attention and hopes to the Goddess that Kerry wins in Nov despite what I believe. That would no doubt be a story for the ages and you would be a part of that history also.

I honestly wish you all the luck in the world and the Universe in your quest of making Kerry POTUS.

I do listen to the arguements that go on here in the DU and I do listen (as opposed to just reading) the post for and against Kerry and ABB, and the "any Dem really is better than Bush" really does make sense, but regardless, we ALL have to be allowed to follow our passions and our beliefs. Otherwise how can we really say this is a democracy? How can we honestly call this the "Democratic Underground" if we are not "underground" at all, but part of the main stream?

We should be like the french cafes during WWII and be a hotbed for all kinds of disident discussion as long as no one flames another.

Anyway MD, all I have left to say is follow your passions and good for you for listening to what you believe and not allowing anyone else to think for you,

d

[Name removed]

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[buddhamama]

50. excuse me?

i take exception to your Mis-characterization of David. He did not take the glossary down to spite anyone.
he didn't even know the site was down til i told him.
He is in the process of upgrading his computer, and server related work, he'll get to fixin' it when he's able.

[AmyStrange]

51. Thank you Buddhamama...

you are correct. I am in the process of moving it to OneMissingPerson.org. If anyone needs to see the DU Slang Dictionary, all they need do is do a google or yahoo search for "dug.seattleactivist.org" and click on the "cached" link and it is still there.

Again thank you Buddhamama.

I appreciate your support,

d

[AmyStrange]

59. I appreciate the kind words...

but the DU slang dictionary has nothing to do with spite. Even while the DU slang dictionary was up, only 1% of the newbies ever found out about it.

The truth is I am in the middle of changing computes and my CD recorder died so I have to change everything over via 3.5 floopy. That's going to take some time.

Thank you for your concern,

d

[MurikanDemocrat]

72. I guess I misjudged the missing glossary with the timing

If my assumptions were out of line, I apologize.

[AmyStrange]

75. no need for apologies my friend...

and you were not out of line. You made legitimate claims. We kind of like each other now because our common enemy is Bush, but if things get hairy, we need a common ground between us besides Bush. I promise not to go negative on Kerry if you promise not to go negative on Dean. Oh hell I still won't go negative on Kerry because I already promised not to do so, but I hope you can understand my point of view anyway.

d

[MurikanDemocrat]

82. fair enough. I do not need to specifically mentiona Dean to make my

points.

I think we do agree that we both seek to deny Bush a second term in the White House. That's a good place to start.

[AmyStrange]

84. A good place to start I agree (n/t)

[MurikanDemocrat]

86. Are you still up? GO TO BED! LOL!

[regnaD kciN]

69. Well, if you so strongly don't want us voting for Kerry...

...maybe we should change our minds about voting ABB, and follow your orders.

:grr:

[AmyStrange]

85. Vote who you really believe in...

that's all I ask of anyone

d

[Capn Sunshine]

26. Forget 2008. It's 2006 that we should focus on

because, win or lose, we are going to hear the SAME DAMN ARGUMENT THE PINK TUTUS RAN ON IN 2002. The DLC isn't dead or going away (Howard Deans cram-down should be evidence of that) , they are dedicated to to spreading their "centrist" message that has served them so well thus far..

[janx]

29. What is it with those guys? Why couldn't they have just

stayed out of it?

This still really angers me.

[JHBowden]

36. Howard Dean is a centrist.

In fact, Howard Dean is a self-described centrist.

[janx]

45. Yes, hence Cap'n Sunshine's use of quotes around that term

when referring to certain members of the DLC.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

39. And he better at least take a sidestep to the left.

[Piperay]

46. If Kerry doesn't win

we will all have much more important concerns than worrying about anyone saying "I told you so", that is at the bottom of my worries, the very bottom, in fact so low it is off the list entirely. :-(

[Dr Fate]

48. So make sure you campaign & work hard for him then.

If he "better win" then you had better support him.

[AmyStrange]

52. Read my reply to NSMA earlier for what I think about that (n/t)

[Dr Fate]

53. I did. I dont buy it.

Dont go around saying "he better win" if you are not willing to help us out.

If you want to get excited about somthing, get excitied about rempving Bush, not tearing down DEMS...

[AmyStrange]

56. I am not willing to help you out because...

if you read my post to NSMA you would know why.

What exactly do you expect me to do? Go door to door telling everone how great Kerry is? I could do that, but if they asked me why... well all I could say is he's better than Bush.

That's it.

What exactly more do you want?

d

[Dr Fate]

76. Dont do a damn thing then.

Just dont threaten people who ARE GOING TO FIGHT bUSH with some sort of revenge or whatever. THat should be directed towards Bush, not DEMS...

[AmyStrange]

78. Good points...

and I promise not to do anything until after the election.

What more do you want?

Do you mean to try and restrict our voice after the election?



please, I hope you won't

please




d

[Dr Fate]

79. No I wont restrict you...

I'll fight Republicans, the media, and YOU, I guess.

No one is going to stop you from hitting DEMS where Republicans cannot. Just dont bitch about "you had better win or I'll I do this or that..." when you are going to be tearing Kerry down.

Remember us DEMS have to fight on THREE fronts now- the Republicans, the media, and you guys.

[AmyStrange]

81. Wait a minute buddy...

I never said in this thread that I would attack Kerry.

And as a matter of fact, I promised to lay off Kerry until AFTER the election.

Please get your facts straight... thank you,

d

(EDIT: spelling)

[stuzzy]

55. Ther problem with Kerry, for me...

at least, is that I don't trust the man. He IS a waffler. When Bush called him that recently I found myself shaking my head because I agreed with him. He speaks out of both sides of his mouth, and he doesn't inspire me or put a fire in my heart. He hasn't been a leader in the Senate and I seriously wonder if he has what it takes to lead this country. I also wonder if he will be better for this country than Bush. I don't trust Bush either, but he is a known quantity. I wouldn't vote for him come November, Kerry or third party for me, I'm undecided. Sorry, that's the truth. I was an independant before Bush's radical policies pushed me further left. Flame away, I know it's coming.

I find myself needing, at this point, to sit down with an ardent, informed Kerry supporter, in person, and hashing out my worries and concerns and having them addressed. This would alleviate my anxiety immensely. At least I hope it would.

[AmyStrange]

57. No flames from me....

and welcome to the DU. I hope some of the Kerry Supporters here can help you out and I thank you for joining the DU and voicing your opinion and concerns...

d

[nolabels]

63. Should I check the thermometer?

I like character assassinations, they make the world go round (wonder what ever happened to him anyway)

Just slipped in some Abba, Mama Mia, now I really know. Here I go again.

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:uEAAy1Cgq4sJ:www.cmonitor.com/stories/news/politics2004/012404windsurfer_kerry_2004.shtml+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Celebrities, surfers stump for Kerry

Fans: 'He's a great guy to hang out with'

Saturday, January 24, 2004

By JENNIFER SKALKA
(snip)
"The press . . . has made him out to be such a stiff for so long," said Sayre, who is Woodrow Wilson's great-grandson. "That is so inaccurate it's humorous."

John Chao, the publisher of the magazine American Windsurfer, is following Kerry on the campaign trail distributing a 1998 issue that featured the Massachusetts senator on the cover. The article is titled: "Senator John Kerry, the windsurfer who could be president."

Yesterday, NBC's Tim Russert of Meet the Press snagged the last of 600 copies handed out at the veterans rally. When the event, which included stump speeches from former Georgia senator Max Cleland and South Carolina Sen. Fritz Hollings, was over, Kerry leaned into the audience to sign copies of the magazine.
(snip)

Goofy is best served up with more Goofy

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[AmyStrange]

64. Goofy is best served up with more Goofy

I'm assuming you are pro Kerry?

d

[nolabels]

65. No not really, give me any candidate, seems like I ran across a.......

accident like this before. I am ABB and like that soldier said in Iraq, he would rather vote that Dead Rat than vote for *. I am following the soldiers lead beings that have been given a choice. Even a self-absorbed wind surfer sounds better. I am sure Kerry spends most of his time doing such things, what else could he be doing?

This was kind of funner, no offense really, some of the things about Kerry (taking with a grain of salt, of course)might not even of been heard if it wasn't for this board.

Your slang dictionary was of great help, So from one Dave to another Dave, thanks Dave

On edit: changing most to some, thinking about perspective

[AmyStrange]

74. no... thank you Dave...

you and all your friends and the truth are the board.

All I can do is thank you for your support and send you ((((HUGz))))

d

[MoonRiver]

89. Kerry better win, cause if he doesn't

there won't be a DU, or any other Democratic board, where we can discuss his loss.

[bushwakker]

90. oooh I'm scared

please don't wreak your vengeance on us in 2008. look, howard dean or whomever you're supporting had no chance to beat bush. if kerry can't do it than none of them can. somehoe i think you'll be voting nader anyway.

[AmyStrange]

93. If that's what you need to believe to get by in 2004 (n/t)

[Snivi Yllom]

98. my prediction

Electability as an issue insetad of focusing on issues will have been a tragic mistake.

[nolabels]

100. I all looks pretty ugly to me, but I guess we will see

I am sure Kerry is a good guy, and I am not at all worried if he takes office. The people who should be worrying are the folks who have been bringing about this whole charade for the last four or five decades. I don't have any worry that things will be righted by the people.

Kerry or no Kerry won't be a problem, it's going to happen sooner or later, do the usurpers really think they can stop it? Dream on baby, we are comming

[nolabels]

106. Is this poster stupid, are what? He even said he looks ugly to himself

Ole spiedy got me going

[West Coast Democrat]

108. Oh, thank you for sharing

so what's new?