"blacks who doubt Obama's ability to compete are guilty of "a slave mentality." "

[MethuenProgressive]

http://www.nbc11.com/politics/15082596/detail.html
Black Voters Split On Clinton, Obama

Joseph Lowery, former head of the Southern Christian Leadership Council, calls colleagues who are supporting Clinton "good old boys."

"The figureheads are not actually gatekeepers to the black vote," said William Jelani Cobb, a 38-year-old history professor at the historically black Spelman College.

"No disrespect, but they don't speak for us."

"At a speech Wednesday before the Hungry Club at the Butler Street YMCA in Atlanta, Lowery said blacks who doubt Obama's ability to compete are guilty of "a slave mentality."

"No matter how much education they have, they never graduated from the slave mentality," Lowery said.

...

[ellacott]

1. I know this concept is difficult for you to understand

This post might provide a better perspective:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4093070

[Cameron27]

2. I understand the concept

but can tell me how making that statement can possibly help Obama in the GE?

[ellacott]

4. Don't know

I have no insight into whether this will affect anything in the GE.

[William769]

6. The concept is well understood

And there is only one person who loses with that concept, it's Obama.

[ellacott]

9. Maybe so, Maybe not

It still doesn't change the concept.

[MethuenProgressive]

10. I understand your link leads to the identical quote in another thread.

Um... thanks for confirming the quote is, unfortunately, real.

[ellacott]

11. No, as I said

It could provide a better perspective, that is if you truly wanted to understand.

[MethuenProgressive]

14. You understand the same information is in both links, don't you?

Or are you just being obtuse?

[ellacott]

16. Cute, you just can't help yourself , can you?

It's really sad that you can't have an intelligent conversation with this catty, snarky game you play.

Of course it's not the same information. There is discussion in that thread that is not in this thread.

[MethuenProgressive]

17. You typed: "This post might provide a better perspective"

You might try being clear, once in a while. I read the post. If by "perspective" you meant the pro-Obama spin beneath it, you should've said so.

[ellacott]

22. Common sense should have told you

It's not about Obama spin. It's about something that you obviously have no interst in, a better understanding of the issue.

People have been talking about a slave mentality since slavery. I know this isn't of interest to you because you only interest in posting this thread is to continue to sow racial discord and, in effect, lessen support for Obama.

[Evergreen Emerald]

48. He is suggesting that if black people do not vote for blacks there is something wrong with them

Does that mean the opposite is true? Are black leaders suggesting that we should vote "race" or "gender" rather than issues?

[ellacott]

52. He is not suggesting that at all

He said, "blacks who doubt Obama's ability to compete are guilty of "a slave mentality."

That's so different than saying to vote for him because he is black.

One of the big issues that Obama has had to overcome by some black is whether white people would vote for him. A South Carolina legislator even said he is supporting Clinton because white people weren't going to vote for Obama. Some of those opinions were quieted with his win in Iowa.

[Evergreen Emerald]

53. BS. He is saying that if you don't vote for Obama, and are black

you have slave mentality.

[ellacott]

55. That's not what he said

My goodness, you all are so unbelievable. Read what he said. You can hold on to thius lie if you want. I can't believe how stubborn many of you are. It is truly shameful.

You have no idea what slave mentality even means.

You guys just continue to live with blinders on.

Unbelievable...

[Evergreen Emerald]

56. you can attempt to spin this anyway you want. You can attempt

to suggest that only you have the knowledge to understand what he is saying. But you are simply spinning.

He said if you are black and don't vote for Obama, you are wrong.

[ellacott]

57. All I can do is repeat myself

That's not what he said and I am not trying to spin. He did not say if you are black and don't vote for Obama. Why do you keep this lie going. You may not feel those extra words are important but they are.

You just don't want to consider anything else. It's easier to think your way. This is so sad.

Again, you have no clue what slave mentality even means.

In no way am I suggested that only I have the knowledge to understand, I saying that YOU do not. Thats another example of you not paying attention. You also have too much pride to even consider that you may be missing something here.

Many black people didn't vote for Sharpton, Jessie Jackson or Carol Mosely Braun when they ran. Did anyone say they had a slave mentality?

Harry Bellafonte and Danny Glover are supporting John Edwards. Who is saying that they have a slave mentality? Bill Cosby is supporting Dennis Kucinich.

[Evergreen Emerald]

60. Exactly. I am not saying he is right. I agree that he is wrong to suggest

it.

[ellacott]

66. blacks who doubt Obama's ability to compete.....

What he's saying is that many blacks didn't support Obama initially is because they didn't think he could compete. One So. Carolina black legislator supported Clinton because he said white people weren't going to support a black candidate.

When Obama won Iowa many blacks saw that he could compete and his poll numbers among blacks increased.

[Botany]

3. You have no shame

Why do you post crap like this in order to anger and to rub salt
in the wound that is racism?

[ellacott]

5. This is a game to many people n/t

[Cameron27]

8. I think it can be abused,

but that was a provocative statement, and I think it's fair to discuss or at least consider, how it will be used against him in the GE if he's our nominee.

[ellacott]

12. I also agree that it can be used against

America doesn't like to talk about race. My statement was in relation to those who search to find anything negative in an attempt to tear down another candidate.

It's really an interesting concept and would prove educational for many people. The problem is that many people hear race and get scared and defensive without any attempt to try and understand.

[Cameron27]

23. I understand that,

you're right, America doesn't want to talk about race, but neither does Obama, or so he said.

I'll tell how I think this attitude was abused. I heard that same ESPN guy on Hardball who talked about the Bradley effect after NH, blame Obama's debate performance on the same premise as Lowery. It's a concept that can be used for anything said about Obama.

[ellacott]

27. I do agree with you

[Cameron27]

31. Thank you

I think Obama may want to pull back from some of the things said on his behalf. It's bound to backfire IMO.

[ellacott]

41. I do think some of it could backfire

He's in such a precarious position. There were blacks who were wondering if he was black enough and whites wondering if he was going to be like some angry black activists. On top of this he has some blacks afraid that he might be assasinated and this paranoia has a basis in truth because he has as much Secret Service protection as the President.

Every issue regarding race will be magnified because of his candidacy. Many things are misinterpreted and people are going to run with the wrong impression.

I do hope they can get some balance regarding these issues and we can concentrate on the issues.

[Cameron27]

43. Exactly

it's certainly not fair, but he has to walk a fine line in this election. I agree, let's concentrate on the issues. :-)

[codeindigo]

20. Obama's woman-bashing campaign song ..someone help me with this!

why was this NOT discussed or even mentioned..I find this offensive and NOT the kind of "CHANGE" ALL Americans are desiring. am i off base?

And see post below about his comment on woman..



Obama's woman-bashing campaign song
by hwc, Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:50:29 AM EST

As Barack and Michele Obama took the stage for their victory rally in Iowa, the Obama campaign played the Jay-Z song 99 Problems.

The chorus of the Obama campaign song:


99 problems but the bitch aint one
If you're havin' girl problems i feel bad for you son
I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one
Hit me

[codeindigo]

21. Obama: It Took Men to Give Women the Vote( 2008-01-14) is this sexist??

Obama: It Took Men to Give Women the Vote( 2008-01-14) is this sexist??
Obama: It Took Men to Give Women the Vote
by Scott Ott for ScrappleFace · 36 Comments
(2008-01-14) — Democrat Sen. Barack Obama today seemed to indirectly respond to presidential rival Sen. Hillary Clinton’s suggestion that Martin Luther King’s dream would have gone unfulfilled if not for President Lyndon B. Johnson who signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Sen. Clinton’s comment was meant to contrast her vast record of accomplishment and political prowess, with Sen. Obama’s mere rhetorical skills and inspirational persona, but the rookie Senator offered an analogy of his own.

“The 19th Amendment to the Constitution grants women the right to vote,” said Sen. Obama, “and while women, like Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton, marched, and spoke and held inspirational rallies, ultimately it took men in 36 state legislatures to fulfill that dream.”

“Now, I would not suggest,” the former Illinois state legislator added, “that it takes a man to really make change in this country, nor even that it takes someone with experience in a state legislature. I’m just sayin’.”

well i'm just askin...are you a sexist obama?

[ellacott]

26. How is that sexist?

I didn't get that impression.

[cali]

30. LOL.

Scrappleface is a wingnut parody site. Aren't you brilliant? Not.

[kevsand]

32. There's nothing sexist in Obama's statement at all.

You're taking it completely out of context in order to interpret it that way. He's saying that Hillary's argument that it took a white man to give minorities civil rights is no more valid than saying that it took men to give women the vote. He's saying that in both cases, such an argument completely misses the point, and ignores the fact that the final legislative actions were forced by the massive uprising of public support, particularly among the beneficiaries of the legislation; public support that was nurtured and fueled by black and female activists, respectively. He's paying respect to feminists in history, and saying exactly the opposite of what you suggest.

[cali]

33. Scrappleface is satire.

That entire thing is made up. Obama never said anything remotely like this.

[codeindigo]

35. you don't have to attack me..my friend sent this..

i'm just asking? are you always this agressive?

[cali]

38. and you believe everything you get sent?

Great. That's smart. It's not that hard to check something out before posting- and I've been just as hard on people who have posted bullshit rumors about Hillary, so yeah, I don't like rumor mongering.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

54. Hey, don't get mad at cali.

Somebody forwarded him an e-mail that said you were full of crap.

[kevsand]

37. So even the fictional Obama is non-sexist...

:-)

[ellacott]

24. Probably because it was not true

There was a post about this a few days ago with a few posts along with a Daily Kos entry that debunked this.

[kevsand]

25. Never happened

The music being played while Michelle and Barack took the stage was a Stevie Wonder song.

[cali]

28. This NEVER happened. It's been debunked multiple times

from sources as varied as kos and Politico. Don't come here and spread this shit. You won't find a welcome reception. And thankfully that includes most of Clinton's supporters here.

It's been discussed ad nauseum here- just because YOU weren't here to see it, doesn't mean that we didn't hash it over. Obama came in to Stevie Wonder and left to U2- or visa versa. It's all on video.

This piece of scurrilous shit was posted on the gossip page of Murdoch's NY Post. NOT a reputable source.


Cut. It. Out.

[codeindigo]

36. no more caffine 4 u!

...:(

[MethuenProgressive]

29. There is no proof at all that song was ever used at an Obama event.

Debunked even by a you tube clip, I think.

[amandabeech]

58. bitch?

I don't like that word one bit.

Isn't there something out there less offensive that Obama could choose?

[MethuenProgressive]

19. I? I never called black Hillary supporters "good old boys"

Save your scoldings for those that deserve it.

[Perky]

40. YOu have utterlyno idea what thie comment is really about.

You rarely do.

[MethuenProgressive]

45. He's saying they're acting like Red Necks.

Good ol' boys = Red Necks.

[ellacott]

47. What????????????

A redneck with a slave mentality? My goodness Methuen. You really need to stop embarrasing yourself.

[MethuenProgressive]

49. Pay attention, dear. He's insulting two different groups.

Joseph Lowery, former head of the Southern Christian Leadership Council, calls colleagues who are supporting Clinton "good old boys."
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"At a speech Wednesday before the Hungry Club at the Butler Street YMCA in Atlanta, Lowery said blacks who doubt Obama's ability to compete are guilty of "a slave mentality."

"No matter how much education they have, they never graduated from the slave mentality," Lowery said.
----------------------------
He's an equal opportunity slanderer.

[ellacott]

50. You are one of the least informed person on this subject, it is truly amazing

You just make up shit. No my dear, it's you that needs to pay attention.

You are truly amazing. Actually you're pretty shameful. That sad part is that there are many people that think like you.

One of the reasons that this issue will never be resolved.

[Perky]

61. No he is not.. He is talking about

Ansy Young and his support for Hillary......I have been watching Atlanta/SCLC policitc on this since the Selma speech.

[Perky]

62. No he is not.. He is talking about

Ansy Young and his support for Hillary......I have been watching Atlanta/SCLC policitc on this since the Selma speech.

[Perky]

63. No he is not.. He is talking about

Ansy Young and his support for Hillary......I have been watching Atlanta/SCLC politics on this since the Selma speech.

[codeindigo]

7. wouldn't some consider this...

race baiting ...again! obama keeps perpetuating this issue in SC...

[ellacott]

13. I wouldn't consider it race baiting

It's not this subject this subject has not been discussed at length among African Americans.

[cali]

34. why would anyone care what you think

when you've introduced yourself by spreading false stories in the most irresponsible way?

I know I don't give a damn.

[denem]

15. The media is talking up race again,

wandering around looking for someone with a juicy quote. No Sale. I don't see any indication that this stuff was sanctioned by either campaign. Its sanctioned by MSM and I'm not buying.

[MethuenProgressive]

18. "the media" didn't make up those quotes.

:shrug:

[denem]

39. No. they went shopping for them.

and who knows how many conciliatory quotes were 'overlooked'

[MethuenProgressive]

46. I blame microphones.

For some reason, just holding a microphone seems to lower IQs.

[Name removed]

42. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MethuenProgressive]

44. self delete to remove quoted part of a removed post.

No need to repeat it.

[ecstatic]

51. not necessarily... nt

[Skip Intro]

59. I said it before, it is insulting. Vote for Obama or you have a slave mentality.

Insulting racist bullshit.

Defended to the end by the Obama deadenders.

[Perky]

64. OMG you are so utterly wrong about this.

He is not saying that at all. This is an intergenerational battle withing the SCLC.

Something I am sure you know very little about.

[gregjones]

65. Should Hillary apologize to Blacks for being 'Goldwater Girl' ?

I read a piece yesterday entitled:
Blacks Learning 'Goldwater Girl' Hillary Was AGAINST
the Civil Rights Act of 1964....Feel Deceived ! 

An article by Washington columnist Robert Novak (Google:
'Hillary, King, Goldwater) reveals that Hillary Clinton was a
staunch supporter of Sen. Barry Goldwater (who was adamently
against the civil rights act and a segregationist) during the
same period she claims in all black church appearances that
she was for the civil rights movement. Blacks feel that it was
impossible for Hillary to have been a Goldwater Girl and pro
civil rights at the same time which leads to the assumption
that Ms. Clinton is re-inventing her past. Many blacks feel
deceived by The Clintons. Should Hillary Clinton make a public
apology to blacks ?