Dean supporters may as well vote Dean Tuesday.

[liberalnurse]

I have not seen so much negative Dean threads and posts today since Iowa. I have to vote Tuesday in Ohio. I may as well just vote Dean ....I definitely don't want to vote Kerry and all my Dean Meet-Up friends feel the same way. Its the Edwards vote that I was going to cast. I wish to thank the Edward supporters for keeping me on track.


Too many anti-Dean Edward posters here today.


Vote Dean March 2, 2004 in Ohio!

[morgan2]

1. why not vote for dk or the rev?

[angryinoville]

2. Good point...

DK needs delegates too!

[liberalnurse]

4. I have been with Dean

for over a year. I worked hard on the campaign and loved every minute .....still believe in the good fight.

I was wanting to make a responsible vote, and have been working with the Ohio Edwards Campaign since Wisconsin.....They have been very appreciative of our work....but I'm really disappointed in the Edward supporters here at DU.

[Renew Deal]

5. I am considering all my options for this reason.

There is an aqual chance for me to vote for Clark, Kerry, and Kucinich on tuesday. I may vote for Clark and give the delegates to kucnich. We get to vote on 2 lines in NY.

[formernaderite]

55. On Tuesday Dennis is getting my former Dean vote.....

..Thank you Dennis for hanging in there.

[Padraig18]

3. Not to be argumentative, but...

I've not seen any anti-Dean posts from Edwards people---honest. :shrug:

[liberalnurse]

6. Here is a reference......

there are others......See reply #5.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=409436

[Hav]

52. ack

First, you shouldn't let posters on these boards decide who deserves your vote. You yourself should choose which candidate suits you best.

To the thread you linked:
In the same post you say: "kerry is an opportunistic political failure......he is a resume builder....not a liberal."
You also said that Kerry went to Vietnam for his resume and for the photo op, that his wounds speak for themselves. Is that what you understand under respectable debate ?
According to your reasoning that should drive anybody away from Dean.
How can you throw around something like this, yet you are attacking other people for their "mean" behaviour ? That's a mystery for me.
Maybe before you point out the behaviour of other posters here, you should think about your behaviour as well?

[liberalnurse]

69. Dean is out of the race. He maybe accepting votes

but he won't get the required 15% in my Ohio District. I can indeed vote Dean but I was wanting to cast a vote for a practical candidate ...thus Edwards is my next option.


So, noting kerry's weaknesses and with Dean out of the race, I think it would be reasonable for Edward supporters at least appear genuine when referencing Dean...a non-threatening candidate.

kerry never was an option and I seriously find it ridiculous for a kerry supporter to be on the fence with choosing between Dean and kerry on Tuesday. It is not going to happen so no need to charm them, just share the facts.

[Name removed]

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[bread_and_roses]

12. You said it!

I am continually amazed by these comments about votes based on this microcosmic insular universe.

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[liberalnurse]

33. Such an angry reply only reinforces my

views on kerry. After Wisconsin, I decided to look at Edwards, work in this Dayton, Ohio Campaign and hear his message. Steve Chaffin, Ohio Dean Campaign Manager brought me into the Edwards Camp...but DU also reflects the candidate's views and positions. It has an impact when one is ambivalent.

Your frustration with me does not have power.

This was before Feb. 17th.....before Dean backed down.... I still won't vote kerry, and said so in this thread too.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

36. OK. Since anonymous internet message boards wield such great power

I am ordering you to vote for the adult candidate. Kerry.

Leave the fantasy votes to the kids.

[Maddy McCall]

45. Angry...the only anger in the post that mods deleted was expressed by you

The post simply showed from a very recent thread that you hever intended to support Kerry anyway, and that you planned to "live by the sword, die by the sword" and support Dean to the end.

I don't have frustration with you, just pity that you are so controlled by the behavior of others.

:-(

[liberalnurse]

49. Dah.....the post/reply you noted

was before Wisconsin.....It was Feb. 17th when Dean re-evaluated his Presidential campaign. My reference post was 6 days prior.....

I still am devoted to Dean, but in Ohio, in my district, he will not get 15%. I definitely won't vote kerry.....nothing has changed there....I've been working with the Dayton, Ohio Edwards campaign.

I just find it fruitless to have Edwards supporters trash, attack and insult Dean, a non threatening candidate who's supporters are open to casting a vote for Edwards. When one has to make the tough choice, the smart choice, such behavior is not encouraging.


This is from the Ohio Edwards Campaign: DU Edwards folks have been countering this movement with Dean supporters.

//////

Subject: Edwards Event

John Edwards Is Coming To Dayton!!

Where: Wright Brothers Aviation

Dayton Area Airport

Time: 1:30 P.M.

Address: 3700 McCauley Drive,

Vandalia,Ohio

Date: March 1, 1004



Make sure to come and bring friends.

[Name removed]

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[liberalnurse]

71. Point being.......Anti-Dean posts by

Edward supporters can and very well may tick me off enough to say,
" Oh, what they Hey.....I'll vote Dean if they are so hateful". I could easily feel that frustrated and be impulsive. I prefer to keep a logical sense about this vote...it is important. I will be sad if I don't vote Dean but I can live with it now.......just by a little bit and by my dislike for kerry most of all.


I suggest you take the time to read this thread as the explanations are in detail.... Or, you just are fussy and wish to over analyze me for the fun of it. ...What ever....I'll teach you anything you wish. I have patience for those who really need it. Let me know...

[liberalnurse]

50. Yes, the Mod's here at DU

are most insightful. I commend their contributions!

[Maddy McCall]

61. Yes, I agree that they are...

Good to see you are changing your tune that Dean supporters were treated unfairly by them.

Mods have always been fair here, as has admin.

[Woodstock]

59. Mircrocosmic insular universe - that's perfect

Exactly.

[KFC]

15. Well, I pick all of my stocks based on message board comments.

That is why I am so damn rich!

[oxymoron]

23. Exactly!

I can't think of a more idiotic reason to vote for someone.

[rhite5]

8. Gosh, I think a "Favorite Son" vote should be the order of the day!

[xxqqqzme]

9. On Tuesday, U will B joined by thousands of

Dean supporters in California. Howard Dean needs our votes so his voice is strong @ the convention. He helped the DNC find its spine and voice! I worked (and am still working) w/ the campaign out here for over a year. The DNC might B holding my Nov vote hostage but not my primary vote!

[liberalnurse]

I don't know if he can garner the15% in Ohio.

Many have gone to Edwards since kerry has burned his bridges with Ohio Dean supporters......

[patricia92243]

10. Do candidates have to have at lest 15% before they get any delegates?

[goobergunch]

18. Yes, per district (n/t)

[KFC]

11. May as well vote for Carrot Top. At least he has more poise than Dean.

I guarantee CT will get more votes than "0 for 17" Dean.

[w13rd0]

16. You are a real shining star...

...really, just spectacular. Which side are you on again? Pffft...

[liberalnurse]

17. Well, since CT is not running, who do you suggest?

[KFC]

24. Kerry. Then you have the pleasure of voting twice for our next President

BTW, I wrote CT in during the CA recall. Didn't come through, but the vote was incredibly satisfying. Orgasmic.

[goobergunch]

20. >> I guarantee CT will get more votes than "0 for 17" Dean.

I'll bet you an avatar on that one....

If Carrot Top gets more Ohio votes than Dean, you get to pick my avatar for one week. However, if Dean gets more Ohio votes than Carrot Top, I get to pick your avatar for one week.

Deal?

[KFC]

28. OK. Called my bluff. It is a bet.

I may have to be more careful in the future.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

34. Strong point. At least Carrot Top doesn't have to resort to a comb-over

And I think that Mr. Top has real teeth.

[AntiCoup2K4]

39. I'll bet he hasn't had botox injections either.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

44. Yes he has. Skull & Bones requires Botox injections.

Not many people know of the Carrot Top-Bush-Kerry cabal.

[Paxdora]

70. Who is "Carrot Top"?

I'm not kidding, I never heard that nickname before..

:|

Paxdora

[lastknowngood]

13. Vote for Dean every delegate he gets and every vote he gets

sends a message to the DLC/DNC/RNC cabala that is destroying this country. I'll vote Dean on tuesday and if things look as bad as I expect in Nov. i.e. a 48 state loss for Kerry I'll write him in then.

[arewethereyet]

29. thats the spirit !

and then you can go back to the green party after this year.

[liberalnurse]

40. I understand your passion.

:yourock:

[quinnox]

14. I don't understand how a Deaniac could vote for Edwards

Because Edwards was for the Iraq war, and Dean was against. This was Dean's big issue!

I would think all Dean people would go for Kucinich if they are looking for a candidate still actively campaigning in the race.

[liberalnurse]

25. I really love Kucinich and he makes me

proud to have him as an Ohio Congressman. Kucinich just hasn't made the impact with America. I really don't feel at all that kerry is the winning choice in the GE.

Edward supporters here alienate Dean supporters. For that matter so do kerry supporters as they can easily take the championship in that catagory.

I have always anticipated the day I could punch in Dean on the ballot.......but I don't want kerry....who would be the one to knock-out kerry...EDWARDS.

[quinnox]

27. I see..makes sense if one is looking for an anyone but Kerry candidate

Then I am in agreement Edwards is the only one with a chance to try and win.

[liberalnurse]

37. Thats about how I moved and processed the

option since Dean is out ...sort-of.... It's the sort-of that creates the dilemma.

It certainly does not help when Edwards supporters attack Dean even after he is essentialy out of the picture.

[dd123]

53. A Dean supporter would vote for Edwards because

of a strong, intense, visceral dislike of Kerry.

And I know that because that is the dilemma I found myself in.

[Tesha]

57. Maybe they just don't like Kerry? (NT)

[seaglass]

19. You might as well vote based on hair color if that's the

kind of reasoning you use to determine how to vote.

Vote for whoever you want - just don't pretend it's based on any principles or issues, 'kay?

[intheozone]

21. Hubby and I voted for Dean via absentee ballots

in California. We also voted big NOs to Arnie's bond proposal! Hope all the other CA DUers did as well. I really hope both of Arnie's propositions fail, although with BBV, I doubt they will.

[not systems]

26. Vote against 57 and 58 ...

"Just give me 15 billion for my reelection fund then never again will we go to the credit-card" - The Gropenator

Stupid idea I don't understand why Feinstein is backing this maybe because she doesn't want her rich friends taxes raised?

Is there some positive spin on why she is backing cash for Arnold?


I am voting for Dean!

It is the least I can get for my cash.

[Capn Sunshine]

46. NO on 57 & 58

I'm still waiting for the Gropenators "firs sing, ve opun ze buuks.Go trew it line by line. And zen ve sdtop zis crahzee spendink!

So when DO we stop this crazy spending, Arnold?

[liberalnurse]

41. You are an incentive to all democrats.

I'm relieved to see there are some issue driven democratic voters in Ca. I was worried.

[mopinko]

22. i am so curious

about how the dr. will do. he picked up delegates in states that he didn't even campaign in. he has so much support from meet-ups, etc, in all 50 states. i am hoping that he has plenty of delegates at the convention. i think a vote for edwards is more likely to be a waste that a vote for dean. the message needs to go to boston. loudly.

[janx]

30. It is the primary, after all, no matter how much some people

would like us to believe otherwise.

I don't get to voice an opinion until April, but I'll voice it for Dean then.

[Crunchy Frog]

47. janx, I'm curious about how

one goes about voting for someone who'se dropped out here in Colorado since we now have a caucus instead of a primary. I would vote for Clark, but I just don't see how it's possible given how the caucus system works.

[janx]

48. I don't know! But they are supposed to be on the ballot,

and I believe that if they're on there, we can still caucus for them. I'd like to do that for the principle of the thing if nothing else. I have the email address of our country chair though, so I can find out from her and let you know.

Or we can ask other Colorado DUers on this board. Somebody must know... :shrug:

By the way--the English chair called me Thursday. I'm teaching English Comp. II.

[Crunchy Frog]

56. English Comp II?

When? You may just be stuck with me again unless I've actually gotten into the Nursing program by that point.:) PM me and let me know the details.

Do we even get a ballot with the caucus system. I thought it was just people getting together and standing for a particular candidate and if they don't have 15% then they don't count.

Maybe the Colorado caucus is different, I don't really understand how it works at all. I guess I'll learn more by April.

If I can't caucus for Clark, I will probably try to caucus for Kucinich.

[liberalnurse]

I agree that that rationale

would fit in other states, but in Ohio, per district, the delegates are determinded on the 15%. In my district, he won't get it.

[mzmolly]

31. Well I intened too anyhow. Thanks!

Sending Dean delegates to Washington!

[janx]

32. This board is probably the worst in that aspect that I've

seen since January, yes.

Not just the quantity of the threads but the quality as well. Pretty sad.

[quinnox]

35. It's more raw, but also more interesting

To me at least.

[janx]

38. It's more revealing, that's for sure.

I could swear that sometimes I'm trying to argue with eight-year-olds...and that's a waste of time, so I've been hiding threads in rapid succession.

I tried something bold last night. I took everybody off of ignore, and I'm trying my damndest to be polite. Somehow, though, I don't know if it's doing any good.

[Woodstock]

63. I have so many people on ignore I'm surprised there is room left

I figure this. Life is short. If someone is going to be childish or crude or rude or hateful, and it seems like it's not a one time thing, then I'm going to be wasting time on them that could have been spent discussing something that might actually help further Democratic/progressive causes.

[westcoastbias]

42. Without 15%, vote for Edwards or Kucininch

If you want to vote for Dean, and he doesn't seem to have enough support to win more delegates, vote for the other anti-war candidate, Kucininch, or Dean's preference Edwards.

[janx]

43. "Dean's preference" ?

What?

[emulatorloo]

51. Vote for the person you want to vote for. . .who cares about wacky DUers?

Well I love DU, but some people here are just nasty and silly -- how can you blame a candidate for what a supporter said that made you mad?

It is the internet. . .how do you even know they are really even Edwards supporters? They could just be pretending!

So vote for Edwards if you like him.
Vote for Dean if you want him to have more delegates.

regards and enjoying voting!

[TeacherCreature]

54. I have been planning on it

No one else worth voting for.

[Woodstock]

58. Base your vote for President on what some silly people on a forum do?

So some silly people here turn this into a Junior High School popularity contest, and I'm going let THAT influence my vote for president of the United States?

The people who ticked you off today are NOT John Edwards. Vote for John Edwards or not based on John Edwards. I doubt he would condone childish behavior on his behalf.

[zulchzulu]

62. Vote for Dean if you want

You and your MeetUp friends don't want to vote for Kerry, so vote for Dean. Then vote for Nader in November.

You appear not to care about Kerry now. It would be interesting to see why you don't.

So why would you vote for the Democrat in November when you can vote for another person who distorts the record and is in the race for his own ego? Vote for Bush and not have to go through the middle man.

[Woodstock]

64. I have to say I don't get the vote for Dean part myself

I've been a strong Dean supporter myself, but I'm not voting for someone who is no longer running. It just doesn't make sense.

I truly wish he had done like Clark, and bowed out gracefully, preferably endorsing someone. This move of I'm out of it, but vote for me, has left Dean's supporters in a state of limbo - and they are very divided now, where they might have been united for a cause.

[zulchzulu]

65. I couldn't agree more

I thought Clark did a class act by leaving the race when he did and endorsing Kerry.

Like you said, Dean didn't really leave the race. While I respect most of Dean's supporters and understand their intentions, my respect for Dean greatly diminished when he played the Golden Carrot card to his supporters by not truly dropping out of the race and endorsing a candidate.

Frankly, I'm not sure Edwards, Kucinich or Kerry would want his endorsement anyway. I'm sure Al Gore knows not to call them with his endorsement either.

[jansu]

67. That's good to know that you don't need our money, our time or our vote

Saves me a lot of effort!

In response to several of posters above: Dean did not leave any of those supporters who listened to him, confused. He said he was not campaigning now, but he did ask for our vote, because our (yes, ours, not just Dean's) message will still be heard at the convention.

I will vote in the General Eleciton for ABB, but until then I will vote my choice, which is Dean!

[Woodstock]

75. We'll have to agree to disagree on Dean's approach

From what I've observed, there was great confusion in the aftermath of Dean's non-withdrawal withdrawal from the race - one minute a motivated, mobilized army of supporters, the next minute, disorientation through all levels. Had Dean endorsed Edwards, for instance, some might have dropped out, but I bet a lot would have continued the fight on his behalf. Dean might have even officially withdrawn and led the charge to support the whole field. I'm not the only one - in the world outside DU, anyway - that doesn't want to vote for someone who isn't really in the race. And I find the Kerry bashing among some Dean supporters a real turnoff. I'm leaning towards Edwards, but Kerry, though he has his flaws, is a good man, and so much better than Bush it's insulting to even compare them. I'll do whatever I can to help Kerry if he's the nominee and be happy to have him our president.

[Woodstock]

73. Your last statements are puzzling

I have heard Edwards has been making overtures to Dean (there were direct quotes from him to this effect.) I'm sure he'd love Dean's endorsement. I'm sure Kerry wouldn't mind having lots of enthusiastic unpaid Democratic grassroots volunteers on his side, either.

As for Gore, he picked someone he thought was standing up for a new direction he felt the party desperately needed. And I'm sure he will enthusiastically back the eventual nominee. That Edwards or Kerry don't want the endorsement of the guy who won the last presidential election is highly doubtful, too.

[jansu]

66. DO! DO! DO! Since this is what Dean asked us to do! I did in CA......

by absentee ballot, since that is all we have in my district.

[bigwillq]

68. Always planned on voting Dean

In my primary on Tuesday!!

[lojasmo]

72. Yup

I'm caucusing for Dean on tuesday, and will use my influence to get delegates pushed who will support a progressive agenda. My caucus vote is for ABK/ABE. A couple of sure losers IMO. and betrayers of democratic values (at least in the last year)

Obviously, between the Johns, Kerry has the most significantly liberal voting record, but this last year brought them both into McCain territory for me.

[pezcore64]

74. Well

I hope to god any Dean supporter would still vote for their guy if he was still on the ballot. I know I will be in my primary even tho hes not officially 'campaigning' anymore.

GO DEAN!