About what percentage of 2000 Nader voters will vote democrat this time?

[Bombtrack]

Assuming I guess the nominee is Kerry. If you don't like Kerry(I'm not ultra-thrilled with him getting the nom) please don't vote just to hurt him. Please have it be an honest, fair assumption

[rhite5]

1. Depends on who the Dem nominee is.

It's impossible to make a prediction until that is known.

[mgc1961]

2. Difficult to say.

If I cast a vote for the Democrat, it will probably not be a vote for Kerry as much as a vote for the VP spot and platform. At this point however, I make no promises.

[RandomKoolzip]

3. I voted Nader in 2000.

And I WILL NOT vote third party again in this election. This GE is far to crucial to play ideological brinksmanship games.

In the local elections and Senate race, I will look for Greens and much more liberal candidates, but in the GE, my vote's with the Dems.

[bluestateguy]

4. I'll say about 1/3

it will be higher in the swing states and lower in the safe states.

[Gman]

5. There will still be the absolutely clueless ones out there that will vote

for Nader. But I agree with the 76 - 90% figure judging from what I see here on DU and other folks I talk to. The vast majority of 2000 Nader voters have seen the error of their thinking.

[mgc1961]

6. "Error of their thinking?"

It's called independent thinking and fearless voting. No error and no regrets.

[MessiahRp]

27. Actually the error is quite self-evident

In hoping that they could vote independently they lost sight of the larger picture and thus the very man who idealized everything Nader and the Greens were against took office and has worked overtime to destroy every program, every ideal that these people hold dear.

The greater tragedy is that people didn't get that. They thought it was a vote based on principle against the evil system, or a vote for someone other than the lesser evils...

The reality was their vote for Nader enabled the enemy of their causes to take office and that any dignification for their vote now must be referred to the end result.

Thus why Nader running again this year shows he neither cares about the causes he claims to nor the people who support him. Every vote he takes away from Kerry ends up being another vote for Bush because there is no conservative foil to his campaign. He's enabling the enemy and that to me qualifies as left wing treason when you realize what and whom he's enabling.

Rp

[mgc1961]

29. No lost sight here.

Let me take a look at your argument with my two good eyes.

"In hoping that they could vote independently they lost sight of the larger picture and thus the very man who idealized everything Nader and the Greens were against took office and has worked overtime to destroy every program, every ideal that these people hold dear."

I did more than just hope. I did vote for Nader. Furthermore, that argument can be reversed. Such as: "they lost sight of the larger picture and thus the very man who idealized everything Gore and the Democrats were against took office..." Hey, you should have voted Nader and we wouldn't be in this fix.

"The greater tragedy is that people didn't get that. They thought it was a vote based on principle against the evil system, or a vote for someone other than the lesser evils."

Again, you assume you're in an unassailable position because you voted Democrat. Wrong. The world is not bipolar. Only many of the minds who inhabit it are.

"Thus why Nader running again this year shows he neither cares about the causes he claims to nor the people who support him. Every vote he takes away from Gore ends up being another vote for Bush because there is no conservative foil to his campaign. He's enabling the enemy and that to me qualifies as left wing treason when you realize what and whom he's enabling."

A third time. Let's change a couple of words: "Thus why Kerry running again this year shows he neither cares about the causes he claims to nor the people who support him. Every vote he takes away from Nader ends up being another vote for Bush because there is no conservative foil to his campaign. He's enabling the enemy and that to me qualifies as left wing treason when you realize what and whom he's enabling."

Simply voting for the Democrat doesn't put you in a superior position. Numbers may give you might, but it doesn't make you right. Or maybe it does. As in Bush lite.

[Sinistrous]

7. I wish I could be as optimistic as you are.

Most of the Nader supporters I read are "true believers" of the strictest sort. Nader is their guru and "He didn't cost Gore the 2000 election" is their mantra.

[AntiCoup2K4]

8. Perhaps the "absolutely clueless" ones are the people who thought...

..a Bush-enabling PNAC endorsing sellout, backed by the same criminals as Bush, would be the best candidate against Bush?

[Desertrose]

11. give people a real choice and maybe things will be different....

"error of their thinking"?
geez, thats pretty damn arrogant on your part,isn't it?

Peace
DR

[Gman]

16. There is a real choice whether you want to see it or not

Bush and all he stands for now and what he will destruct in 4 more years or a Democrat that will bring back sanity. If there are so many moderate Republicans that see it, I don't understand why someone liberal doesn't.

The choice could not be clearer. black vs white. bad vs. good. Very plain, very clear.

Actually, there really is no other choice when you think about it besides voting for the Dem nominee.

[Desertrose]

23. this is not a black & white world

adn this is not a black & white choice...no matter what you say.
A candidate that voted for the IWR ( among other things) and wants to keep and add additional troops there is not a clear choice or even a real choice.

Maybe it is for you but not for me.

It is beyond R vs D...it is a matter of corporate run gov't and I don't see the leading two "D"'s being a clear choice from that.....and I don't understand why someonwho says he's a liberal doesn't see THAT!

Bush stinks but replacing him with a less stinky version is not the same as replacing him with a rose.

Peace
DR

[formernaderite]

14. You're very optimistic...I'd go 50-50.....

...At least half of his votes came from people who would never vote for anyone but an extremely progressive green party or socialist candidate. Nader/Green party also received a percentage of Libertarian votes for good measure, who voted to bump up a third parties numbers. Those people will simply vote for Harry Browne or whoever the Libertarian candidate is.

[ScreamingMeemie]

9. I talked with a Nader 2000 voter today who said that he would not

make that same mistake twice. :hi: I hope he is indicative of the majority.

[Desertrose]

10. the % goes way downif its Dennis as the nom

if its Kerry...well forget it...its another 4 years of Bush...sorry...but thats the way I see it.
:shrug:

DR

[Mairead]

13. I agree, DR. I held my nose and voted Gore in 2K

and then watched in stunned disbelief as he turned his back on us and walked away. That was it for me, never again will I vote for anything but the good. And if too few people vote with me, así es la vida.

[Gman]

17. Ever heard of a concept called "unity"??

Unity means you may not like everything but EVERYONE pulls together against a commmon threat or enemy.

It is a selfish, self centered person that sees what is going on with Bush and the GOP and says, "But I don't like the Democrat so I'm taking all my stuff and going home." Usually through childhood, no one liked third party voters because of this attitude.

[mgc1961]

19. "Unity" is red herring.

You're assuming that all non-Democrat voters are just disaffected party members. That's naive. Everyone who votes for other parties is not doing so simply as a protest. They vote for what they want and apparently the Democratic or Republican parties are not providing it so they choose "other."

[Desertrose]

24. watch out that you don't fall off that high horse

its rough when you land.

It is a selfish, self centered person that sees what is going on with Bush and the GOP and says, "But I don't like the Democrat so I'm taking all my stuff and going home."

and this is your version of bringing UNITY? maybe thats why there are third party voters...

You ever hear the word COMPROMISE?
didn't think so...

Peace
DR

[Mairead]

28. If someone can demonstrate to me that my choice is not the best choice

then they've something to say. But as long as they're willing to vote for a poor choice, they've no claim on me. Sorry. I won't jump off a cliff just because other people want company.

[mgc1961]

20. I'm very close to that position too.

[mgc1961]

18. I'm afraid...

...this may be true. I'm in the undecided ranks right now. I'll be all over the Democratic ticket like a cheap suit if DK is the nominee. Otherwise,...?

[Lalena]

22. Otherwise....you will stand by and watch the train wreck?

[mgc1961]

25. Voting for the Democrat...

...is no guarantee of avoiding the train wreck.

[newyawker99]

26. Hi Lalena!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Crunchy Frog]

12. I can only speak for this former Nader voter

You couldn't pay me enough to vote for Nader this time. I will be doing everything I can to work for a Dem win, even though I'm not thrilled with Kerry and would be even less thrilled with Edwards.

Bush has to go. I really hope that most other 2000 Nader voters will see that too.


Edit: I voted 30% by mistake, I meant to vote 61-75%. I misread the question.

[paulk]

15. of the seven people I personally know who voted for Nader in 2000

six have said they will vote for the Democratic candidate in 2004. The other will vote Green.

[John_H]

21. Also subtract from the nader effect the huge number of nader voters

who live in states we'll already win handily.