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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 09:24 PM Original message |
Obama in November 2007: “studies show that from the time of conception" |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. Because that is essentially true |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
15. I am a strong pro-choice advocate and his language is Bullshit here. I want a candidate |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:16 AM Response to Reply #15 |
94. I am just making a comment on the science not his stance |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
27. Not really. BUT he did make a very important and frightening distinction |
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iconocrastic (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Is a fetus a child or not? |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. No. It is not. n/t |
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iconocrastic (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. "Frightening"? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:19 AM Response to Reply #30 |
96. No... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:18 AM Response to Reply #27 |
95. As I said, reading what the OP gave, it is a correct statement from a SCIENTIFIC POV |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 04:42 AM Response to Reply #95 |
106. He keeps parsing words |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
2. What are you saying? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. Have you seen his NARAL rating? |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. His voting record is good. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
25. I think he would not be as strong on choice as Hillary. |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
47. What has he voted for this term... |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. His choices of words on abortion rights shows me he wants to bring the righties into his camp. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:21 AM Response to Reply #7 |
100. I have to go by his public record, which is sterling.He gets the nod from NARAL & Planned Parenthood |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
4. These groups call him pro-choice |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
29. I plan on sending them all of these statements he is making |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
5. Do we ignore scientific facts in order to prop up abortion without fault? |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Ew. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
60. so it is a fact that we start learning at conception? And, in a campaign, what does one hear |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:24 AM Response to Reply #60 |
101. Your brain (well, maybe not your personal brain, but most of them) starts developing, okay? |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
6. I know what you mean. Whenever someone says 'from conception' it's not good |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. See, this is the problem. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. Thank you for this. I feel my post is being laughed at by people who believe we start learning |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. A newborn infant is a bundle of reflexes |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:28 AM Response to Reply #32 |
102. I've had two newborn infants. They are individuals with personalities from the start. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 04:40 AM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Not arguing |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
41. Nobody believes that. You're objecting to Obama's empirically correct statement |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #21 |
83. You are spot-on, thank you for posting! |
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LandOLincoln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
8. This is either very clumsy snark, or one of the |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. What's a snark? |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
9. The happiest day of my life was when my wife's doctor told us |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
10. 100% NARAL rating. Next. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Check this out before you move on: I think Obama plays it safe. On abortion I want a firm stand. |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
11. Oh for heaven's sake. He is stating a FACT. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
12. That is medical fact. Does being pro-choice now mean we deny developmental neuroscience? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:37 AM Response to Reply #12 |
74. YES! The Brain exists only after birth! |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
14. What is this... some sort of twisted flat earth mentality? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
16. But that quote is true! What possible objection can an intelligent person have with the truth? |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. show me the studies that show that that we start learning at conception? What possible |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
33. He didn't say, in that quote, that learning starts at conception. Check again. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
50. Fair enough. I looked at the quote again and I like it even less this time. |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
19. I think Obama has said some appalling things about the issue (of abortion rights) but |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. The comment bugs me because it is another example of his kowtowing to religious right while |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
24. A little loose with the science here |
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hertopos (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
39. Thank you for clarifying this for people who does not get this |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:51 PM Original message |
It is the coded part of "conception" that makes me nervous. And his reagan thing, too. Ugh. |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
26. Drew Cline? |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
28. because it is the truth- like it or not. And he understands it |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
31. So you're saying that there isn't a great deal of development |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Not cognitive development. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. "Learning" and "development" are not synonyms. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. But when talking about childhood EDUCATION |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I don't think he did. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:28 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. That is a theory |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. No, it's not a theory. It's been repeatedly tested and verified. I've read literally |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Theory. n/t |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. Fingers. Ears. n/t |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
35. Because being pro-choice doesn't mean one can't think abortion is wrong |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
61. Oh really....and does this apply to gay rights too? I mean if you are pro-choice and think |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #61 |
73. Yes |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #73 |
80. Very well-stated, Effie! |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:31 AM Response to Reply #73 |
87. I have four examples where I think his language is indicative of being easily swayed by |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:36 AM Response to Reply #73 |
103. Well said, Effie! Hope to be seeing you around! |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:39 AM Response to Reply #73 |
104. Very well stated, Effie! Hope to be seeing you around! |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
37. And he does want woma to decide "prayerfully" about abortion (nt) |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
38. I guess NARAL and Planned Parenthood giving Obama a 100% rating means nothing to you |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
55. Well, I never said I was a friggin' anything but maybe we should look at this: |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:53 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Obama went along with a Planned Parenthood strategy? OMG shocking. |
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obamian (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #55 |
78. That doesn't match what the Chicago Now Director said |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #78 |
91. Illinois NOW denounced Obama for it |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:02 PM Original message |
Planned Parenthood, NARAL...you know, groups who know nothing... |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
40. I don't see the problem. He's right, that the brain development is the fastest |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. As a pro-choicer on a campaign swing would you have used the term "conception?" |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:50 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. If neither Planned Parenthood nor NARAL have a problem with him.... |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #54 |
64. I am not saying you are wrong but there is more to the story that is worth reading. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:04 AM Response to Reply #51 |
66. I'm not slick enough to be a politician, so I can't answer that one. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #51 |
82. Yes, how dare he use the word that means what he intended to say. From now on, |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
52. What part of that am I supposed to be upset about? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. He spoke a meaningless "code word" that's all. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:52 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. code words are used to pull people into their camp without offending others. Look at this: |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Are you anti-choice? |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:04 AM Response to Reply #62 |
67. I am a pro-choice feminist. His religious talk makes me nervous - as a woman. Now I hear things |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Right, so what's the problem? |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I have two choices in the election - Obama and Clinton. Obama talks religiousity |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. I don't think the first argument works with the other. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #71 |
84. Religious language is male dominated. Abortion as a political issue is inherently sexist. |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #70 |
90. And Hillary had secret prayer gatherings with right wingers. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:02 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. I have heard this a lot. I have to say that I have not heard her talk about her prayer group. |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:52 AM Response to Reply #93 |
97. I commend you for seriously attempting to sort out the candidate's views |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
63. Well, recently Obama is way more pro-life than HRC by voting to BAN Cluster Munitions. |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
65. I think people are so use to being lied to |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. I don't think I am brainwashed. I think I know the difference between someone who stands tall |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #65 |
75. They have also become accustomed to simple-minded, pat approaches to complicated |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #75 |
85. I don't think responding to this article in a somewhat worrisome way and my responses to |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
72. Why do you hate science |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
76. Let's me take a stab at the Obama follower response |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Or rather, you could attempt to read the thread. |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
77. It's true, scientifically. n/t |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
79. this statement has nothing to do with abortion |
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AGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:17 AM Response to Original message |
86. I don't support Obama, but this is silly |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:35 AM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Sorry you feel my concern is silly but I think language is important. And for a candidate who |
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AGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. I am sorry |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. No problem. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:16 AM Response to Original message |
98. I am pro-choice. I am also a mother who tended her unborn EXTREMELY carefully. What he said is true. |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 12:43 AM Response to Reply #98 |
107. Well, my name isn't Sherlock but, let's have another look at the quote: |
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Tulkas (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:19 AM Response to Original message |
99. This Is About Funding Pre Kindergarten Programs |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-19-08 12:44 AM Response to Reply #99 |
108. Is it me or are the progressives getting more of a republican black and white thinking style here at |
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109. If you ever took an embryology course and a comparitive |
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