Democrats, it's time for a divorce...

[tryanhas]

[earthsea wizard]

1. So, Kerry takes sloppy seconds?

sorry :)

[lancdem]

2. If you don't like Kerry, you're entitled to your opinion

I see Bush as the enemy, not Kerry.

[tryanhas]

3. I see them both as the enemy...

...because I'm not blinded by a stupid party label.

[asthmaticeog]

10. Grow up

So everyone who supports Kerry is blinded by a stupid party label? Man, I don't even support Kerry, but there are legitimate reasons to support him. But then again, I must be wrong: if I disagree with you it's automatically because I obviously can't see with your incredible, penetrative clarity.

[tryanhas]

12. Kerry doesn't have a lot of support...

...he has a lot of hot air.

Do you all do anything other than GO WITH THE FLOW ON THE BOARD.

Do you ever analyze anything?

If you look at the exit polls you see that people voting for Kerry, DON'T SUPPORT HIM, they support, BEATING BUSH, and they falsely believe that Kerry is the best chance, that's why he always gets all of the "CAN BEAT BUSH" vote, instead of the, "I AGREE WITH HIM ON THE ISSUES" or "HE UNDERSTANDS ME" votes.

It's not about support with Kerry...

...it's about the "PARTY LABEL" and Democrats in the North, South, East, and West are voting for the CURRENT DEMOCRATIC FRONTRUNNER, just like they polled so heavily for THE FORMER DEMOCRATIC FRONTRUNNER, Howard Dean.

It's all about a party label with Kerry...

[asthmaticeog]

22. You've no shortage of hot air youself.

he has a lot of hot air.

He has a lot of delegates, too.

Do you all do anything other than GO WITH THE FLOW ON THE BOARD. Do you ever analyze anything?

For my part, yes on both counts. My post to you above, snarky though it was, was an analysis of what a bunch of bullshit juvenile sophistry it is to use transparently insulting semantic chicanery to define people who disagree with you as somehow defective.

If you look at the exit polls you see that people voting for Kerry, DON'T SUPPORT HIM

Really? Every single one? Wow, that sure does make for a lot of non-Kerry supporters supporting Kerry. If even ONE Kerry voter actually supports his policies, you have to retract that overly-broad statement.

It's not about support with Kerry...it's about the "PARTY LABEL"

So which poorly-showing or dropped-out candidate are/were you behind? I'm supporting and voting for DK, myself, and he's got fewer delegates than Al Sharpton fer chrissakes. You don't see me throwing insults at the whole world over that wound. Kerry's winning. I wish he weren't. Neither one of those things makes everyone I disagree with "blind" or "stupid."

[tryanhas]

25. haaaayyyyyyyyyyyyhhhhhhh...

...LOOK AT THAT STEAM FROM ALL OF THAT HOT AIR!!!

BWHAHAHA!

He has more hot air than he has delegates, but he doesn't have all of the delegates needed to win, so I could really care less about THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM that he has it locked up.

I know, AHEAD OF TIME, what will happen, whether you think that's possible or not, I could really care less.

Yes, every single exit poll, not every single voter, duh, that's why I usually say, "MOST OF THE PEOPLE VOTING FOR KERRY", although I duh, didn't say that in that ONE, particular post. Kerry wins because of the "CAN BEAT BUSH" not because they agree with him on the issues or support him.

Not the poorly showing Dennis Kucinich...

[aquart]

48. You're gonna vote for Nader.

Because you're so smart.

[TreasonousBastard]

20. It's not a question of a stupid party label...

it's a question of what's going to happen in November.

There is an excellent chance that we will have a choice between Bush, Kerry, or pissing away a meaningful vote. So far, primary voters seem to be choosing Kerry, and they are the only ones who count, like it or not.

If you or anyone else chooses to piss away your vote, go right ahead but such a choice is valid ONLY if you see Kerry as being as bad as the present occupant.

That is not an easy position to justify.

[RandomKoolzip]

21. But there's NO DIFFERENCE between Bush and Kerry!

They both breathe oxygen, have two arms, two legs, and they BOTH have hair! See? Doesn't it scare you?!

Screw it, I'm staying away from the voting booth in november and just let Bush continue to ream me like I was his prison bitch.

[saoirse]

44. Kerry has better hair!

And I ain't convinced Dubya breathes oxygen...

[GodHelpUsAll2]

35. If you think

Primary voters are all that counts me thing you will be surprised. The numbers of democrats voting in the primaries is pathetic, even if it is "record turnout". People seem to think the primary is an indication of what will happen in November. Uh......NO not even close.

[Gman]

26. What? No tombstone yet?

[tryanhas]

29. What do you want on your Tombstone???

I want bacon and sausage...

[Gore1FL]

55. You post a lot

but fail to mention reasons.

Kerry is full of hot air. Why? Supporting link?

Kerry is not electable. Why? Supporting link?

I, frankly dont; care if you think Kerry sucks, because you have yet to come up with a defining reason for your thinking.

This leads me to believe Kerry is not the one with a "hot air" problem.

[Blue_Roses]

58. whoaa

both as the enemy? Then what is Bush? Who's side are you on?

[SEAburb]

4. But the honeymoon isn't over yet. nt

>>>>>><<<<<<<

[David Dunham]

5. After March 2, It's JK and ONLY JK all the way!!

[AntiCoup2K4]

7. The convention's in March now?

Funny, I thought it was in July :shrug:

[tryanhas]

6. When will it be over?

When reality slaps you in the face and you find out that Kerry was never electable, like we told you?

Just like we told you that Dean wouldn't wear well, and would never get the nomination 3 months ago?

You people never learn until it happens!

[brainshrub]

9. I don't like the word "electable"

but we could run Kucinich against Bush and still have victory.

I fear for BBV, however.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

36. Well

A pickle is more electable than Bush. But, try and convince all those nuts out there that think Bush is the end all be all.

[molly]

11. Who do you support?

[tryanhas]

14. ABBOK...

...Anyone But Bush Or Kerry.

Edwards has always been my number one choice, then Graham (#2), then Gephardt (#3) then Clark (#4), then Kucinich (#5), then Sharpton (#6), then Braun (#7), and then Dean (#8).

Dean moved up a lot near the end though, and I had him behind Clark, because I don't think Dean ever had a chance of winning a general election, I didn't like his temperament, and I didn't like some of the things he did in Vermont in the way of cuts to social programs, but I have always hated Kerry (Skull and Bones just like Bush) and Lieberaman (follower of cult leader and head of the Unification Church, Reverend Sun Myung Moon, just like Bush).

[tishaLA]

18. OK, maybe I'm stupid

I admit I don't get the Lieberman reference: "Lieberaman (follower of cult leader and head of the Unification Church, Reverend Sun Myung Moon, just like Bush)." I don't even LIKE Lieberman and I feel like defending him.

[tryanhas]

19. Because Moon is the biggest financer of the Bush family's...

...elections.

Ford, Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush 2 were all sold out to Moon's empire, but Clinton wouldn't give in to Moon.

Moon wants to unite all of the world's religions under him, and that's why you have all of these world conferences on religion, and discussions about uniting the religions for peaceful reasons.

Well, Moon says that Jesus was a failure, and Moon is here to fix what Jesus screwed up.

Moon owns the Washington Times, and thousands of frontgroups which raise money and spread his dogma.

Why would you "DEFEND" Lieberman when you yourself said that you didn't know what I was talking about.

I think that human nature is pretty STUPID to always jump on the defense when it doesn't understand something instead of doing some research to try and figure it out before opening one's mouth!

[tishaLA]

24. OK so what's that have to do with Lieberman?

and if you notice, I didn't defend Lieberman in my post. I asked a question.

[tryanhas]

28. You said...

..."I don't even LIKE Lieberman and I feel like defending him", and like I said, it's typical human nature to get defensive when you don't understand something.

Like I said, LIEBERMAN IS ALSO A FOLLOWER OF MOON.

I can't be any more clearer than that.

Why do people here think that everything is about DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN!!!

There are just as many bad democrats as there are bad Republicans and just as many good Republicans as there are good Democrats!

If you all think that the most important thing is beating the other party, then you are fooling yourselves.

I'm looking for the best candidate to lead this country and get things done, to bring people together, and that ain't Bush or Kerry, it's John Edwards!

[AntiCoup2K4]

32. Good Republicans??

OK, McCain has his moments, and Jeffords was alright, but he defected. Uh..... Lincoln Chaffee's not bad, I guess.... Damn, this is tough coming up with a list.

Most of the good Republicans are dead, I'm afraid (and no I'm not saying "the only good Republican is a dead Republican" - just in case Asscrotch is monitoring today)

[saoirse]

45. Abraham Lincoln

Of course Dubya would've had him in Guantanamo years ago.

[Crunchy Frog]

34. Just out of curiosity

can you provide any valid documentation of Lieberman's connections with Moon. I don't like him either, but that charge seems kind of spurious unless you can back it up.

I'm genuinely curious, I'm not trying to pick a fight.

[tryanhas]

37. Have you ever heard of Tom Hartman?

http://tomhartman.com /

Well, you should, he's a genius, and very respected in Democratic, "LIBERAL" circles.

On one of his shows, he was talking about the Moon connections with Lieberman, and he cited information about the connections.

If you want some links, just do a google search ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=Joseph+Lieberman%2BSun+Myung+Moon ) and you'll find some legitimate Moon, Lieberman connection links.

Just look at the URLs for "CREDIBLE" sources...

[Name removed]

46. Deleted message

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[kaitykaity]

53. It's "ThomHartmann"

I think. :shrug: To hear an archived show, Go to http://www.whiterosesociety.org.

[Gore1FL]

54. What is the link

and can you provide a link with the link?

[KFC]

33. Oh No! Skull& Bones!

Holy shit, he may break out his paddle and start spanking somebody!

Thank you sir, may I have another!

[Mz Pip]

15. You people??

WTF does that mean?

MzPip
:dem:

[tryanhas]

23. You people = the majority on the DU.

The same ones who couldn't be told that Dean would fall like a rock, although so many of us tried to tell you.

The same people who couldn't be told that Kerry wasn't really up by 30+ in Wisconsin, no matter what the polls said.

The same people who couldn't be told that for most Americans, the war is not the main issue, and just because Dean was against the war, didn't mean that he would get the nomination, or win.

The same people who constantly go by polls, although we told you, DON'T JUST GO BY THE NUMBERS, BUT UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEHIND THE NUMBERS when it came to Dean winning in all of the polls.

The same people who are told that "MOMENTUM MATTERS" and this race TODAY could change on a dime if the momentum changes, just like it did when Dean was the one with the 30+ lead in the polls.

The same people, it's always...

...YOU PEOPLE, the majority on the DU.

[aquart]

49. Define "we."

Who do you think is standing there with you?

[IndianaGreen]

8. ABB is a shotgun wedding

No matter who wins in November, the knives will be out in January!

[SEAburb]

17. Yikes!! I thought this was a light-hearted thread

My post wasn't a serious commentary.

[Taeger]

13. Edwards must WIN super-tuesday

Edwards must come in first in a MAJORITY of states next tuesday. Otherwise he's done for.

I honestly don't care anymore about the debate between Edwards and Kerry. Edwards really softened his free trade stance and has ratified Kerry's statement that there was no difference between Edwards' and Kerry's trade policies.

I will say this though. If Edwards cannot win Georgia, he WILL NOT be Kerry's Veep. The whole point of Edwards is that he could supposedly win Southern states where the Massachussetts liberal CANNOT. If Edwards cannot pull a greater vote count than Edwards, there is no need to put him on the ticket. He effectively wouldn't add anything except baggage from trial lawyer's massive contributions to Edwards.

At this point, if you asked me to choose between Kerry and Edwards, I'd choose Kerry because his war record will allow him to hammer away at Bush. Edwards has no such record.

[tryanhas]

16. Edwards doesn't need to win a majority of th races...

...all he has to do is win a few of them (at least 3) and come in very close in the others.

I think he has a chance of winning everywhere where it's unlikely that voting will be hacked because of electronic voting machines.

It's so funny to me that people here SWEAR BEFORE GOD that the voting will be hacked in November, but they think it's absurd to think that the voting is being hacked in some of these primaries, just so Bush's Skull and Bones elite secret society brother, John Kerry can win...

[Gore1FL]

56. It obviously isn;t being hacked in the caucuses.

Do you believe the headcounts of those processes and the correlation to the "hacked" primaries to just be a statistical anomoly?

Oh yeah. Link?

[blm]

38. Right, because we all know how badly Bush wanted the AWOL issue heard

by the voters. Only with Clark or Kerry would that be raised, so it's hard to believe that Bush WANTED Kerry to be the nominee.

Not to mention the fact that Kerry was the one who uncovered BCCI, IranContra and CIA drugrunning by the Reagan and Bush administrations which will now be discussed again when he is the nominee.

Not to mention the fact that Gary Hart who knows more about terrorism and Joe Wilson who knows plenty about their coverups are both part of the Kerry team. Bush REALLY wants to face them, eh?

Guess Bush also preferred to face Kerry since it was Kerry who WROTE THE BOOK on terrorism and its funding in 1997. Bush knows he can outshine Kerry there for sure, eh?

Bush also knew he could beat Kerry, even with all those firefighters and veterans standing with Kerry.

Wake up yourself, try. And don't even TRY to pull the Moon card on me. I know more about Moon than just about anyone here.

[slinkerwink]

27. Dated Dean---Married Kerry---Woke Up to Bush

[DrFunkenstein]

30. Go Back To Sleep

You're dreaming...

[slinkerwink]

31. nah, I'm voting for Kerry if he's the nominee, but I don't think he'll win

[earthsea wizard]

39. Agreed, I don't see Kerry brining in votes outside the base

He'll get the Dem vote, but that's about the extent of it.

Sad.

[aquart]

50. Because Americans will vote for Bush?

Get a grip.

[saoirse]

43. Ouch

Not this time!

[tryanhas]

40. I don't think Democrats ever married Kerry...

...I would say that they dated Dean, flirted with Kerry, and will eventually fall in love with this man...



http://www.johnedwards2004.com/image.asp?id=581

[DjTj]

42. Some of us already have...

Unfortunately, I think the Democrats are already engaged to Kerry and the wedding date is fast approaching...

Speak now or forever hold your peace!

[saoirse]

47. Correct-amundo

He'll be a great Veep!

[aquart]

51. Oh. It's Edwards' campaign you're destroying.

Because you sure are being persuasive in this venue.

I gotta say, Edwards is a good candidate. He doesn't deserve "support" that makes people itch to slap someone's smug face. He just doesn't.

[mountainvue]

41. Yes, it is. Get out of my house.

:)

[MI Cherie]

52. Am I the only one who ...

... got a giggle? Lighten up!

Four more years of Bush*Co will be a nightmare!

[Gore1FL]

57. I got giggles too....

But I seem to be laughing at the original poster rather than with him.

[Monte Carlo]

59. Why don't you start a thread about what you like...

... instead of who you think is the enemy. Start thinking about how we can form something that can beat Bush in November, instead of about how we can't.