Krugman on Obama Raygun comments - Rachel Maddow's show on AAR

[robbedvoter]

he only refers to the video comments - and reads them as economic policy (not election strategy).
he thinks Obama is the most centrist (as opposed to progressive) of the 3 candidate. One example he gave was - saying that Social Security is in crisis - a RW talking point. I believe the health care plan too.

[sandnsea]

1. Krugman and Maddow support Edwards

yawn

[robbedvoter]

2. I was sure she was supporting Obama. Anyway, I do trust Krugman when it comes

to economy. He helped me navigate through Bushspeak all these dark years - no reason to distrust him now.
he did say he talked to Obama and his campaign complained about his writings - but I have no reason to believe that after braving the Bush regime all these years, Krugman turned dishonest. I trust him more than I trust Edwards - in fact.
He was previously invited on the show to talk about the recession - and only bu chance he hot to talk about the Raygun thinghie - because it just came up.

[BootinUp]

3. I agree with you on Krugman

the man is a truth teller in a field that doesn't produce many.

[Cameron27]

5. I thought Rachel was supporting Obama too,

but yep, I trust what Krugman has to say about the economy.

[sandnsea]

11. No, she has not been supportive of Obama

Anybody who would support this Kurgman gibberish on social security and health care is not an Obama supporter.

[papau]

8. LOL - love the deep analysis

[sandnsea]

13. About as deep as Kurgman hating Obama

:shrug: Shocked me!

[hedgehog]

4. Hey - you know at this point I don't care if there is a crisis or not,

anyone who raises taxes on the rich any way they can gets my vote.

[LulaMay]

6. WATCH THIS VIDEO, Obama praises Reagan, Slams Clinton & 60's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP1esS0AEzk


I think he is very possibly the most centrist too. Hillary is most liberal with her ideas for social change, especially with health care and women and children's rights.

[BootinUp]

9. Welcome to DU LulaMay

:hi:

I have seen that video already. He is attacking the Clintons with this stuff, its mostly political. But it concerns me about how he is talking down the Dem party at this time in history. This is a time for the Democrats to take charge, not a time to run to the center.

[LulaMay]

16. Thank you! Yes, very bothersome.

[jackson_dem]

14. Thanks for the vid. I didn't see the whole thing before

[LulaMay]

17. You're welcome!

[Karmadillo]

25. Thank you for the link. Democrats need to embrace progressive programs, not reactionary delusions.

nt

[ovidsen]

7. I don't know who Krugman supports

But whoever he or she is, I will give that person serious consideration.

IMO, Krugman is not only the best columnist the NYTimes has, he's probably the best economist anywhere who is able to explain complex economic issues to die-hard Democratic worker bees like me in a way that makes them understandable.

[robbedvoter]

21. Agreed. This undecided voter trusts Krugman completely on the economic issues.

[avaistheone1]

10. Obama is pushing the Social Security crisis hoax on behalf of his Wall Street patrons.

The Wall Street fat cats are one of the biggest corporate donors to Obama.

I think it's called payback.

[sandnsea]

12. Except he isn't pushing any crisis

He's simply telling the truth about what will need to be done down the road, and he's proposing taking money out of the pockets of the wealthiest so I hardly think that's benefiting any wall street patrons.

[zulchzulu]

15. I heard the interview

I'm still waiting for Krugman to show just how healthcare insurance with a mandate would actually get done and actually get passed.

I agree with his Medicare For All ideas, but if he could do a column on just how someone who can't afford healthcare insurance or doesn't want it is forced to get it or gets penalized with wage garnishment or other fines. Let alone, just how would there be enough votes to get individual mandated healthcare insurance passed.

His comment about Social Security and Obama saying that there needs to be a way to prevent a crisis would be another nice column for him to do. Does he think Social Security is completely solvent and secure for a hundred years? Fifty years? Twenty years? What?

It is also obvious that Maddow is an Edwards supporter. I have no idea why...

[oasis]

18. A kick and recommend to wake up slumbering Democrats.

:kick:

[BigBearJohn]

19. Obama on "Meet the Press"

Obama on Meet the Press: "Now, we’ve got 78 million baby boomers that are going to be retiring, and every expert that looks at this problem says “There’s going to be a gap, and we’re going to have more money going out than we have coming in unless we make some adjustments now.” Now, I think that Social Security is the single most important social program that we have in this country, and I want to make sure that it’s there not just for this generation, but for next generations."

Paul Krugman:
"Mr. Obama’s Social Security mistake was, in fact, exactly what you’d expect from a candidate who promises to transcend partisanship in an age when that’s neither possible nor desirable.

...Social Security isn’t a big problem that demands a solution; it’s a small problem, way down the list of major issues facing America, that has nonetheless become an obsession of Beltway insiders. And on Social Security, as on many other issues, what Washington means by bipartisanship is mainly that everyone should come together to give conservatives what they want."

http://pages.prodigy.net/thomasn528/blog/2007_11_18_newsarcv.html

[BigBearJohn]

20. Social Security is one of the biggest, fattest targets for this century's robber baron class

Someday, tweaks may be needed for Social Security. But when Barack Obama tries to distinguish himself by crying wolf right now about the program, he's working for the wrong people, and he's undermining one of the only victories the Democrats have been able to pull off in the last several years -- stopping Bush's efforts to privatize Social Security.

I'm reading Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine" right now, and she paints a convincing picture of the past 30 years of "frontier capitalism" -- a capitalism that makes its own frontiers by wrecking one country after the other and then buying up public assets for a song.

Social Security is one of the biggest, fattest targets for this century's robber baron class, both because of all the money in it, and because it sticks in their craw the way Jimmy Stewart's savings and loan stuck in Potter's craw in "It's a Wonderful Life."

So if what Obama means by "audacity of hope" is crying wolf about Social Security, we need a good deal less of that, please. And if transcending politics means playing into the hands of his party's opponents, we don't need any more of that, either.

http://pages.prodigy.net/thomasn528/blog/2007_11_18_newsarcv.html

[NoBorders]

22. Krugman certainly is against Obama

That's for sure. This is just his latest. He says Obama's the most centrist, but Obama has a more progressive voting record. I presume Krugman would prefer Edwards.

[jackson_dem]

24. Krugman bases it on the 3 candidates' platforms

Obamites can't keep citing what Obama did in 1999 to somehow erase the fact he is more centrist in 2008.

Hillary's voting record is like Obama's.

[polichick]

23. To me he's always looked the most centrist...

People only think he's progressive because a blast of sunshine sold by a hip and saavy sweet talker is downright irresistable. Problem is, con men are always irresistable.