Obama's Swiftboating of Clinton on Race working in South Carolina:

[MethuenProgressive]

Obama leads in S.C. in racially divided poll

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Barack Obama leads Hillary Clinton a little more than a week before the South Carolina Democratic primary, as the state's large African-American population moves solidly behind him, according to a new McClatchy-MSNBC poll.

The poll underscored a racial divide in the state over the showdown between an African-American man and a white woman. South Carolina is the first state with a large African-American population to vote in this year's Democratic campaign.

The poll showed Obama, an Illinois senator, leading among African-Americans by a better than 2-1 ratio. Clinton, a New York senator, led among whites by 2-1. Overall, that translates to nearly a 10-point lead for Obama.

"Voters are breaking along racial lines," said Brad Coker, the managing partner of Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, which conducted the survey. "Racial voting patterns are going to play a major role."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/story/24946.html
edit: fixed link

[FrenchieCat]

1. You know.....

I will be pushing that little X button at the end of your thread title, and it will be made to disappear. GOod riddance.

That's all I wanted to say to you.

[KennedyGuy]

2. You're in great company..I was X'd out long ago

Some Obama folks cannot abide anything but gushing praise for Obama...

[MethuenProgressive]

5. No big deal, she never reads the posts she responds to anyway.

:shrug:

[AX10]

3. No kidding.

The Obama swiftboat has it's guns on Clinton.

[Kahuna]

4. Nonsense. BO was already leading in SC before the Clintons started

this mess.

[ellacott]

17. People don't want to listen to reason when it comes to race

[annie1]

6. i'm suprised it's only 2-1. I think it would be a very good thing for this country....

to have a black president. and i can understand black people adding that into the equation more than white.

that being said, it is beyond irrisponsible for obama's campaign to lead people to believe that Hillary is racist. :(

[AX10]

8. Obama's campaign has done this in order to get the black vote.

[BringBigDogBack]

7. Swiftboating?

lollers.

Yeah. It's Obama's fault. :sarcasm:

[durrrty libby]

9. I think the blowback will be real

[Skip Intro]

34. so do I...

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[sunonmars]

11. Well if that continues and the MSM make this into a race fight

We all lose

Honestly if we come out of SC with all the AA's supporting Obama and all the Whites supporting Clinton, there will be one almighty blowback.

I don't even want to think about it.

I'm am worried.

[jasmine621]

12. Don't count you votes until the poll closes.

This is still SC.

[earthside]

13. My goodness, 'swiftboating'

That's the kind of intemperate accusation that keeps poisoning the well.

[Evergreen Emerald]

14. That is exactly why he played the race card: he attacked Clinton

to win. The media spun it differently, because of course the media hates Clinton and always has. So, the truth has to be gleaned from the facts:

Obama wanted to rally support from the black community in SC that has a big voting block. Clinton would have been stupid to attack him on race at that time, as Obama's ethnicity gives him the edge. But, to attack Clinton on race just before SC helps him.

The race war was started by Obama...looking for anything to distort and twist and shout RACISM from the rooftops. A few well placed phone calls, a few interviews and statements by surrogates, and there you have it--a unified black community.

"our time is now."

[jody]

15. For every black voter Obama gains because of his rhetoric he loses voters of other races.

It remains to be seen whether he has a net gain in the process nationwide.

[IsItJustMe]

26. It's definitely a two edged sword, and the consequences thereof are unpredictable at best. If he

did play the race card, which I am not sure about, it would be a very foolish thing to do. But then again, BO has been saying some stupid things about Regan and the Repukes lately.

[MethuenProgressive]

16. "blacks who doubt Obama's ability to compete are guilty of "a slave mentality." "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4104634&mesg_id=4104634

The beat goes on...

[magatte]

18. Dude people racted to Clinton commetns, not Obama

The outrage started on message boards and on the blogosphere way before any comments from the Obama campaign. So go find somewhere to lay yourself with your swiftboating talk.

[DURHAM D]

32. You have not followed this close enough.

The outrage started with David Asselrod. The bullshit was pushed along by Asselrod. Obama could have shut it down at any time. He did not - they thought it was a good political strategy. Finally some older Black Caucus members rang his bell and told him to put a lid on it.

The questions is - was it soon enough to stop the distruction of the party or the blow back for the AA community.

[ellacott]

33. That's not quite right

It didn't begin with Axelrod. You have no evidence that any black leaders pulled him aside. This is all made up stuff.

What so sad is that there are people trying to tell you what's going on and you folks do even want to consider it.

Many people were wondering what's going on with the Clintons before it even broke in the press. You all are amazing sometimes. Some of you all remind me of Joe Scarbourough and his crew. What is was first indicated that there were some issues Joe or anyone else on his show could understand what the issue was. They said they didn't see anything and people better not talk about it because it will make white people mad. I get on this board and I see posts saying that Barack better do something(about what Hillary said) because it's going to upset the white people.

This was talked about before it hit the press. As the other poster said, it was spreading on blogs and other sites before anyone ever picked up on it.

[hedgehog]

19. Wait a minute - Clinton started this with her remarks re King vs LBJ

with the implication that King was all talk and that it took LBJ to get things done and the further implicit comparison that Obama was all talk and only she would get things done. So how does this translate into Obama being the one doing the swift boating?

[IsItJustMe]

27. HRC never mentioned BO in her comments, and I think many people reading here comments

found nothing wrong with them, in-and-of-themselves. It was 'what' was read into her comments that was the problem.

[ellacott]

31. She said it in response to Obama's mention of MLK and JFK

I believe that was in the interview she did with Fox. The very first question from many people was, "What's your point?". The more she tried to explain the less sense it made.

[hedgehog]

36. So , we are to only judge the candidates by their literal statements

and ignore what they imply?

[IsItJustMe]

37. I don't know if she was trying to imply anything in particular. I guess it's in the eye of the

beholder. I don't understand the turmoil that was created around her statement. I am not a HRC fan, but it seemed to me, innocent enough.

I could be wrong.

[ellacott]

39. I still want to understand what was her point?

Because she didn't make that clear and still hasn't she left it open for interpretation.

[book_worm]

20. The Clinton's and their surrogates who brought race into this

[Skidmore]

21. Clinton's greatest mistake was taking the votes of the AA community for granted.

She was so sure that she had it sewn up that she could toss away lines with a wink and count on being swept into office. If you were paying attention to Tavis Smiley's annual forum this past February, the AA community pretty much told both parties that neither should expect their support if the community and its needs were not taken seriously. IOW, no more Katrinas. No more free votes. Kaching. Hillary didn't know what hit her.

Now give me a candidate with some understanding of something beyond their immediate need for a vote.

[book_worm]

23. agreed, they took that "Clinton was the first AA president" stuff seriously

and thought that his popularity would automatically fall to her.

[ProSense]

22. Here:

Look at the dates:

Earliest date: DRUG USE (ABC News, 12/12/07)

(Here is a link)

Latest date: SHUCK AND JIVE (Newsday, 1/11/08)

That memo was obviously written after Jan. 11, days after Hillary's MLK comment and a full month after the drug use comment by the Clinton campaign.

Jan 14:

Asked for evidence of the Obama campaign's role in fomenting the controversy, a Clinton aide cited a staff memo, leaked to political blogs, that compiled quotes by Clinton and her allies that seemed racially insensitive.

link

[book_worm]

24. I think if Hillary is the nominee she will have a hard time winning because

many AA will be disillusioned and disappointed with the way she has gone about getting the nomination by trying (thru her surrogates) to make race an issue. Hopefully it will stop before it's too late. AA will still vote for her but if it isn't in high numbers in terms of turnout then she will lose the general election.

[ripple]

25. Swiftboating?

like standing there with a stupid smile, while one's surrogate paints another candidate as a drug dealing gangsta thug?

Gotcha. I'm happy to see that voters in SC aren't falling for that shit. :hi:

[karynnj]

35. It was not the real HRC sitting there - it was swiftboating

The Obama campaign is placing HRC look alikes/sound alikes in events that show the real HRC to her discredit, and even hack the HRC site to post the event info ahead of time! I think it is totally unfair!

Bill Clinton already floated the use of the word swiftboating to describe normal campaign criticism of HRC as swiftboating. It went over badly. Both campaigns are attacking each other. Campaign operatives knowingly sending emails speaking of Madrasas is closer - as they are deliberate dispersion of lies.

Stating that a corredtly quoted comment or action is racist isn't. The recipient can read the comment and disagree. It is an opinion. Opinions can be wrong, idiotic or unwarranted - they can't be lies.

[Azathoth]

28. Yeah, if only Obama hadn't forced Shaheen and Hillary and Johnson to make those comments

:eyes:

[Skip Intro]

29. I wouldn't be calling SC for Obama just yet.

Dirty tricks not withstanding.

[zulchzulu]

30. So which presidential candidate downgraded MLK and overpraised LBJ?

I think it was a woman running...

:shrug:

[MethuenProgressive]

38. Obama? Edwards? Huckabee?

Must be, cuz the facts show it wasn't Clinton.