Hey Kucitizens, what's with all the anti-DK threads lately?

[no name no slogan]

What's the story? Why all the increased attacks against Kucinich-- especially since he's "unelectable" and a "vanity candidate" and "not in it to win"?

I usually expect to see one or two baseless attacks against DK each week, but now I'm seeing that many each DAY. What gives?
:shrug:

They're not "scared" of a short Congressman from Ohio, are they?

[Fovea]

1. No one hammers a nail that's flat.

And Dennis is starting to make someone nervous.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

77. This is ridiculous!

How would a guy getting 1% of the Democratic vote make ANYONE nervous?

[eridani]

78. 30% in Hawaii

8% in Washington, 16% in Maine, 40% in Hawaii. See a pattern here?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

2. It's all those people who decided to support

more "electable" candidates early on, only their "electable" candidates turned out to be unable to sustain their campaigns.

Now they're annoyed because Dennis is still in the race and operating on a financially sound basis--and he'll get even sounder if I continue my practice of adding $5 to my contribution for each nasty thread. :-)

[no name no slogan]

3. Wow, I see another easy million for DK! (nt)

[WI_DEM]

18. actually I haven't noticed that at all

in fact many people who favored Clark or Dean have switched to DK, including me--I'm seeing the attacks on DK mainly from some Kerry supporters.

[ulysses]

47. some of us, Lydia,

came to support Kucinich instead of becoming annoyed. Consider me pleasantly surprised. :)

[Lydia Leftcoast]

56. I'm not talking about you

but the people who evidently think that politics begins and ends with Howard Dean.

You have always been favorably disposed toward DK.

[Caution]

4. it couldnt have anything to do with

all of the attack threads that kucinich supporters have been starting lately could it?

[no name no slogan]

5. What attack threads?

Raising questions about a candidate's record is not an attack.

However, calling the candidate "fruity" or his supporters "unrealistic" is, IMHO.

[burythehatchet]

54. Kucinich supporters don't start attack threads

we're about peace

B-)

[youngred]

67. do you have a link to any of them?

any of them at all?

or just more baseless attacks?

[Tinoire]

6. They're getting scared. He won't fade quietly away into the gentle night

and isn't afraid to tell the American public that the emperor to be has no clothes.

Expect many more because even Republican voters are beginning to look at Kucinich's platform and liking it.

He's transcended their wedge issues without weasling or waffling & this scares the crap out of them.

Not good. Not good at all for the corporate establishment seeking to conquer and divide.

They know all about brokered conventions and that pretty soon the American public will find out that this crap talk about electability is just that- "crap".

The also know Kucinich supporters will NOT switch. The also fear what will happen if Dean supporters decide to stand behind Kucinich.

The revolution, ha ha, just might be televised again!

[trumad]

8. Republican voters are beginning to look at Kucinich's platform

and liking it.... Dude ...you owe me a new computer monitor on that one... I spit so much coke at it, it blew up....

[corporatewhore]

14. the texas gop platform on trade is just like DKs Get outta NAFTA/WTO/IMF

[Tinoire]

22. Well Trumad... It's just not surprising that you did such a silly thing

You need to get out on Republican sites more and see what real people are thinking instead of buying that swill the media is dishing out.

To: Cboldt
Kucinich: "What this is all about is corporations seeking cheap labor." Re Mexican immigration.

118 posted on 02/26/2004 7:13:37 PM PST by summer

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To: All
Just from reading freeper comments on this forum over the past few months, it is really not too tough to come up with a platform that is profoundly different than GW, and would appeal greatly to people on this forum. But, the Dems really haven't done that yet. Kucinich, oddly enough, is hitting those freeper positions once in awhile - more often than GW seems to be sometimes.

120 posted on 02/26/2004 7:15:20 PM PST by summer

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To: summer
Just from reading freeper comments on this forum over the past few months, it is really not too tough to come up with a platform that is profoundly different than GW, and would appeal greatly to people on this forum. But, the Dems really haven't done that yet. Kucinich, oddly enough, is hitting those freeper positions once in awhile - more often than GW seems to be sometimes.

The public forum lacks substance. It's as simple as that.

122 posted on 02/26/2004 7:17:32 PM PST by Cboldt

===

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1086322/posts

I'll be kind and not post what they think of the other candidates. It's too bad the dim bulbs in the chandelier don't get it and we're letting the media decide who's electable. You want swing votes? NAFTA, WTO, health-care. THOSE are swing-voting issues! Not that crap your DLC, NAFTA-loving, war-mongering, Bush-enabling candidates are peddling.

It seems to completely fly past you that freepers want jobs too. Freepers want to feed their kids too.

Next time, try removing the cover from your CPU & spitting the coke there. :)

[trumad]

29. Oh there's no doubt that the freeps support DK for the nomination!

No doubt... So let's get this straight... You sir are a left left Liberal, correct? DK is a left, left Liberal, correct?

What you are trying to tell me with a er...straight face is the Republicans are ummm, how shall I say this with out having to get some more windex for my monitor......"Republican voters are beginning to look at Kucinich's platform and liking it".

You mean like his platform against abortion,,,, NO..maybe it's his platform against the Iraq war...uhhh...no.... I got it...Gay Marriage...???

[tinanator]

33. It is a fact that Kucinich appeals to Republicans

Im surprised you dont realize or acknowledge this. Might need some more acumen in your diet?

[corporatewhore]

34. wellin my local kucinich for pres group we got libertarians and oldschool

conservatives i worked hand in hand with them last summer getting an antipatriot act resolution here in austin they dont like it just like they dont like NAFTA/WTO/IMF

[Tinoire]

Yepper. If you could ease your head a wee bit out of that DLC sand

you would see that Republicans are people too & that they care more about their jobs and families than they do about silly wedge issues.

Of course, can't say I blame you; if I were supporting DLC candidates, I'd keep my head buried as deeply as possible too.

Maybe you should try just clicking on that thread and seeing what they think of your boy. Never mind, I'll save you the trouble :)

==

To: summer
We -hope- Kerry will be the nominee. That's why I'm hopping around other Kerry-bashing threads saying "Hold it till after Kerry wins the nomination, folks..."

Qwinn

5 posted on 02/26/2004 6:30:59 PM PST by Qwinn

==

To: summer
I just dont get John Kerry

He's against terrorism, but he opposes the war on terror

He's against gay marriage, but he's always been against any law to prevent it.

He's against abortion, but he fervently supports having the government fund abortions.

can you make any sense of it?

7 posted on 02/26/2004 6:32:08 PM PST by Betaille (Seeing through moral relativism since 2002)

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To: Betaille
I think GW and the GOP will be able to paint Kerry as someone who flip-flops on issues, and Kerry will lose because of that. It is harder to paint Edwards that way. Edwards will actually answer YES or NO to a questions. Kerry never does.

18 posted on 02/26/2004 6:35:22 PM PST by summer

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To: summer
Whoa! John Kerry looks a lil "surprised" - ya know, in that 'Joan Rivers' sorta way.

20 posted on 02/26/2004 6:36:05 PM PST by PAC67

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To: summer
I'm only tuning in during Apprentice commercials. Edwards seems to be going for it all.
Kerry's Botox is wearing off. Will he get another round of injections?


24 posted on 02/26/2004 6:37:13 PM PST by NautiNurse (Missing Iraqi botulinum toxin? Look at John Kerry's face)

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To: summer
Oh, I agree. I don't think Kerry has a chance in hell of becoming President. There's just WAY too much ammunition to use against him, and it's substantive, it's not stuff that can just be dismissed or waved away. Edwards, on the other hand, I'd give at least a 40% chance of being able to win it.

Qwinn

25 posted on 02/26/2004 6:37:23 PM PST by Qwinn

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To: OldFriend
He won't answer a direct question from the corpse

40 posted on 02/26/2004 6:41:36 PM PST by petercooper

==

WRT immigration, I can't differentiate Kerry's position from any of the other DEM candidates. For that matter, he is so vague, I can't differentiate his position from Bush's.

113 posted on 02/26/2004 7:11:41 PM PST by Cboldt

==

To: All
Just from reading freeper comments on this forum over the past few months, it is really not too tough to come up with a platform that is profoundly different than GW, and would appeal greatly to people on this forum. But, the Dems really haven't done that yet. Kucinich, oddly enough, is hitting those freeper positions once in awhile - more often than GW seems to be sometimes.

120 posted on 02/26/2004 7:15:20 PM PST by summer

==

To: summer
Just from reading freeper comments on this forum over the past few months, it is really not too tough to come up with a platform that is profoundly different than GW, and would appeal greatly to people on this forum. But, the Dems really haven't done that yet. Kucinich, oddly enough, is hitting those freeper positions once in awhile - more often than GW seems to be sometimes.
The public forum lacks substance. It's as simple as that.


122 posted on 02/26/2004 7:17:32 PM PST by Cboldt

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To: Cboldt
Larry to Kerry: "GW called you a flip-flopper. What do you think of that?"

Kerry: "I'm not going to listen to GW calling me a flip-flopper on any issue when he's not right on any issue."

124 posted on 02/26/2004 7:18:26 PM PST by summer

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To: All
Bush is responsible for kids disrespecting teachers?

You just can't make this stuff up.

127 posted on 02/26/2004 7:20:34 PM PST by RWR8189

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To: summer
Kerry: "I'm not going to listen to GW calling me a flip-flopper on any issue when he's not right on any issue."

Pretty weak response. But this is good. The flip-flop accusation will haunt him and eventually cause him to get mad and utter a few gaffes such as perhaps saying GW is not being smart enough to understand the complexities of these issues and how its not really a flip-flop etc. The sheeple won't like that. They understand flip-flops. They may be ignorant but they're not stupid and Kerry ain't no Clinton.


131 posted on 02/26/2004 7:24:30 PM PST by plain talk

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To: NautiNurse
I was just amazed by two series of facial expressions from Hanoi John Kerry:
1st is the sheepish "oops you just caught me lying" grin when he was countered by Ron Brownstein to explain what is actually wrong with "No Child Left Behind" act, then says something like "Bush disrespects teachers" after his "it's underfunded" mantra is dismissed.

2nd is the "how much longer do I have to put up with Sharpton mopping up over me" look that appears so aloof it's a wonder they don't ask him about looking at his watch.


136 posted on 02/26/2004 7:28:45 PM PST by Steven W.

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To: RWR8189
I just can't see the President having any trouble with Kerry or Edwards. They've been asked a couple of tough questions with tough follow ups and they've stumbled all over themselves. Kerry comes across as a glass half empty kind of guy. Just don't think he's going to sell very well across this country.

146 posted on 02/26/2004 7:31:30 PM PST by Queen of Excelsior

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To: OldFriend
The flip flop has been perfected by Kerry.

180 posted on 02/26/2004 8:30:37 PM PST by MEG33

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To: summer
This thread was the funniest thread I've read (and I read a lot)on FreeRepublic in ages. I'm literally wiping the tears from eyes I was cracking up so hard. The pics are classics....in fact, this whole thread is a classic and should file to the archives.

Thanks to one and all. I pay money at that box-office to see comedies and don't laugh this hard.

211 posted on 02/26/2004 9:28:18 PM PST by Prolifeconservative

===
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1086322/posts

Let me know if you need more :)

[WitchWay]

65. something about lines...

You're poltical analysis is simplistic because it is based on an illusory line. Do you think a line is a good representation of complex political viewpoints?

Then, do you think more people will respect the straight talk and character of Dennis Kucinich -- or the smoke and mirrors rhetoric of John Kerry?

[lams712]

39. WHAT YOU JUST POINTED OUT IS SOOOOO RIGHT!!!

The "swing" issues are things like NAFTA, WTO, and healthcare!!!
I see it when talking with many co-workers, a majority of whom voted for W in 2000. They are starting to come around, especially in regards to the above issues (you can also throw in Social Security, many of then did not appreciate Greenspan's recent comments). I know my little, isolated group doesn't represent the world at large like some scientific poll supposedly does, but it shows that people are thinking about real-world issues that the people in the DLC HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT!!!

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

36. you missed the Freeper thread where they liked Kucinich's Pro-American Job

stance. The fact is PLENTY of Republicans would vote for Dennis simply for his promise to get us out of the WTO.

[tameszu]

42. Yes, and, frankly, this is part of what I don't like about DK

Look, the "cross-over" appeal that DK has with Pat Buchanan anti-immigrant/isolationist Repubs who also want to get out of NAFTA and the WTO because those agreements "give colored furrners jobs" IS NOT A GOOD THING.

This is what separates progressives from "leftists" like DK.

I'm an immigrant and I love multimcultural cities and soft borders, and if that means that my liberal cosmopoltainism/progressive internationalism places me slightly closer to the crazy-ass neocons than the crazy-ass anti-globalizationists and anti-trade people, than so be it.

I honestly think progressives have to sit down and reflect what it means to "protect" American jobs from "going to" China and India. If China and especially India have started to put money into educating their citizens, don't we expect them to be more competitive in getting jobs? Don't you understand the reason India is getting software jobs is that in the face of massive poverty, India has actually started to put together some pretty good technical institutes and engineering and science training programs?

Also, there is NO WAY you can support the UN as heavily as DK does without also showing extensive support for the WTO. It is pretty much incoherent. What do you think Kofi Annan spends half his time doing if not attending to global trade and economic issues?

If you at all understand international institutions, you should understand that contemporary multilateral diplomacy and institutions have been intimately linked with multilateral trade negotiations and institutions, since the moment of their birth after WWII. At least some Freepers and Buchananites seem to understand in their twisted, completely paranoic way that the UN and the WTO are tied together...

OK, I love all of you DK folks and that you are trying to keep the Dems true to their progressive roots, but if there's anything that occasionally antagonizes me, it's a lack of knowledge of some of the crucial issues that underlie politics...flame away, I guess...

[no name no slogan]

57. Big difference between the UN and WTO

Kucinich is not an "isolationist" on trade, as so many want to paint him. He simply thinks that trade agreements should be negotiated in the best interests of the CITIZENS of a country, rather than the CORPORATIONS who try to control the country.

The WTO is an unelected body headed by the controllers of the worlds largest corporations. The UN, OTOH, at least represents the GOVERNMENTS of the world, many of whom are democratically elected by their citizens.

The purpose of governments is to protect and provide for the well-being of their citizens. Corporations solely exist to make a profit for their shareholders.

Corporate control of governments and trade processes is dictatorial, and undemocratic in the largest sense of the word.

Kucinich still favors immigration and international trade. However, he believes it should be used to benefit the PEOPLE of the world, not its richest corporations.

[tameszu]

74. There are differences, but you haven't described them correctly

No, the WTO represents the GOVERNMENTS of the world just as much as the UN does. There are no seats on the WTO for individuals or corporations, and the representatives to the WTO are JUST as accountable as are the representatives of the UN.

In all democratic countries I know of, by executive branch appointees from each country: trade reps and finance/trade ministers/secretaries for the WTO and diplomats or foreign ministers/secretaries for the UN.

Procedurally and formally at least, there is no difference as far as REPRESENTATION goes.

Now, you may say "well, corporations have a big influence on the trade reps and finance ministers." Well, the same goes with many interests on the diplomats. The UN and WTO are analogous--they were created together (the WTO was the GATT), along with the World Bank and the IMF, as part of a pretty coherent vision of international cooperation. Parts of that vision have worked out better and worse, but if you asked Kofi Annan, he would pretty unequivocally back the WTO and tell DK that he would be incredibly foolish to rescind it.

Kucinich may believe in international trade and cooperation, but he has no idea how to make it work. His proposal to go back to a system of bilateral trade would MASSIVELY SCREW OVER countries less powerful than the U.S., since it would allow the U.S. to use its economic power to completely roll over--which it would do, as soon as someone other than Kucinich won the executive (or maybe sooner, as some of the demands by labor unions for protectionist measures would effectively do exactly that).

[Kanary]

60. You got that right!

I posted about a Republican woman I spoke with, who became *very* interested in Dennis. She borrowed my "Prayer For America" book, and when she returns it this evening, I'll see for sure whether it "took" or not.

I guess you missed the reports from Hawai'i.... How so many of the people who showed up at Dennis' rallies were Republican, that the Dem party was swarmed with calls asking if it was too late for them to change their registration, so they could vote for Dennis in the caucus there.

Yup, you got it right.......

:eyesl:

Kanary

[mhr]

9. I think You Are Right, The Rest Of The Party Wants Good Little Puppy Dogs

just like the big corporations do.

Those of us that can think for ourselves make the "go-along get-along" crowd very, very nervous.

This is one time I wish I was a millionaire and was able to fund a truly worthwhile candidate.

Go Dennis Go!

[MadHound]

7. Oh, haven't you heard?

Even though nearly half the delegates are still out there, even though there are four candidates left, we are all supposed to fall in line behind Kerry and start chanting A-B-B A-B-B. After all, he is the most "electable" candidate, and we must just repress our doubts, ignore the contradictions in the man, and chant along with the rest of the herd. B-A-A B-A-A, oops, A-B-B A-B-B.

[Desertrose]

15. I just got this image...from the one scene in the "The Mummy"

movie (2000) when all the people in the city started chanting Im-ho-tep"... after the mummy was brought back to life in Cairo???

well, just replace that with A-B-B

*snork*...sorry, just struck me funny....:shrug:

Peace
DR

[MadHound]

ROFLMAO

Too funny, thanks for the laugh!

[scarletwoman]

25. *choke*!

Oh no! THAT'S an image that's gonna stick with me from now to November!

AAAAAIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! :crazy:

sw

[Desertrose]

10. perhaps they realize the corporate media DOESN'T control everyone

and that despite thier best efforts ( and they were damn good efforts) to "disappear" him...Dennis Kucinch is NOT going away and is actually gaining ground...of course its all under the radar so who knows for sure, right??


It is very interesting for sure.....must be getting to someone....

Peace
DR

[Tinoire]

11. Kucinich supporters- Please help here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=407346#407589 if you have time

[revcarol]

12. We try, like our candidate, to discuss policies, not attack people.

And Lydia, this is about to BANKRUPT ME!! :evilgrin:

The trend is very interesting. DK gets good publicity or their candidate gets bad publicity: KNOCK DOWN DENNIS and PUT HIS SUPPORTERS INTO THE BACK OF THE BUS.

A lot of fear there...

[MaggieSwanson]

13. Here's why!

First they ignore you
then they laugh at you
then they fight you
then you win.
- Gandhi

[seventhson]

16. It's all MY fault

I said some nice things about DK and am beginning to think I will vote for him on Tuesday

The attacks started because of me.

People hate me and the horse I ride in on.

[Tinoire]

51. Oh lol Seventh! You're not the sole martyr here

;) Nobody likes a Cassandra.

Prophets in our own land Seventhson.

There have always been attacks on Kucinich here but now the tone is getting more frenzied because he's doing better despite them & we're getting closer to that brokered convention.

:loveya:

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

17. the "Kucinich supporters are delusional" thread

....I thought that was a fairly rude thread header.

[Renew Deal]

19. He finished second in Hawaii.

He is now one of the front runners.

[youngred]

20. Just trying to push him out

so the Big Two don't have to deal with pesky questions from the left as the run headlong into the centre and disastrous defeat

[rucky]

21. We have officially run out of things to talk about in this forum

bashing is all we have left

[Nadienne]

23. Maybe it's the knowledge

that their own candidate is short of the mark... fear, defensiveness, lack of confidence in their favorite candidate... I bet these are all factors for some of the detractors...

[GreenArrow]

58. I think you touch on a big part of it Nadienne

part of it is simply fear, fear of GWB, of what is happening in the country and world, fear of losing, and fear of the future, and part of it is a dark, quiescent, niggling, and largely suppressed realization that they are selling out the better angels of their nature to see that GWB gets defeated. They is an unwelcome "knowledge that their own candidate is short of the mark" or has left the race, and this rankles and creates resentment; if they must choose what they don't really want for what is seen as the good of the country, then it doesn't necesaarily feel good to be reminded of it.

Then there are others who simply don't like DK for one reason or another; you'll hear more from them as their fear that Dennis' annoying habits of relentlessly bringing up unpleasant truths and drawing unwelcome contrasts will cost the annointed nominee his rightful rank.

[scarletwoman]

24. It kind of cracks me up.

I posted this in the "delusional" thread, I'd like to re-post it here:

So many people buying into a stage-managed kubuki show, and just a few people trying to call attention to what's going on behind the 3rd curtain -- and then THEY lecture US on "reality"!

It's fascinating, truly...

sw

[Cuban_Liberal]

26. It's fear, pure and simple.

Some of the folks here are afraid of anyone who would dare to think for themselves and not mindlessly jump on the front-runner's bandwagon.

Dissent IS Patriotic, folks! :)

[littlejoe]

63. And then some people like to just mindlessly jump on the frontrunner!

[ChiefJoseph]

27. Personally, I'm annoyed that DK and Sharpton are still allowed to debate..

At this stage in the game, it really should be just Kerry vs. Edwards. That and the fact that I just cannot get over how many people sincerely believe that if only voters had a choice between DK and Bush, DK would win handily. That's just lunacy.

Also, I find it amusing that the Kucitizen reaction to anti-DK posts is to suggest that we're "scared" of Kucinich. Please. The guy is a punch-line on every late night show. He's practically polling in the negative digits and the moment the convention is over, he will slip back into politcal obscurity. So he "speaks truth to power." BFD. That and 50 cents gets you a cup of coffee.

[Nadienne]

28. Tim Robbins

On Letterman last night did not seem to consider Kucinich a punch line.

[ChiefJoseph]

30. Great! As long as the rest of the country votes...

...the way rich Hollywood actors do, we'll be all set!

[Nadienne]

35. Who knows who Tim Robbins will vote for?

And even if he doesn't vote for Kucinich, other people will. The fact that Tim Robbins mentioned DK means that DK's campaign is alive and well.

[revcarol]

37. I would like to thank you for your post.

It totally GALVANIZED Kucinich supporters.Contributions are up. Volunteers to telphone are up.Canvassers are up.

You did have that in mind when you posted it, didn't you?

[Desertrose]

40. *snork*

:evilgrin:
good one revcarol...and all true!

DR

[Tinoire]

52. LMAO!

:thumbsup:

Of course he did. He's a closet Kucinich supporter.

[saracat]

79. And Tim Robbins

voted for Nader in 2000 ! Thank you Tim for contributing to the selection of Bush.However can we repay you?

[Desertrose]

38. if it wasn't for DK & AS it would be a total yawn fest

kerry & Edwards are either fawning all over each other or sniping at each other...neither would address any issue or get into any real discussion with out Dennis or Al.

about DK- the polls & punchlines comment sure tells me where you get your info :eyes:

BTW your opinion about the delusional lunacy of DK supporters and 50 cents wont even get you a cup of coffee.

DR

[scarletwoman]

41. Personally, I'm annoyed at people who want to shut down fellow Dems.

Doesn't seem very Democratic to me...

sw

[Cuban_Liberal]

44. I agree.

:hi:

[littlejoe]

64. It isn't quite as simple as that. I would be glad to explain, if you like

[scarletwoman]

66. Please feel free.

I'll be interested to see if you have something to say that I haven't already seen. I don't mean that in a snarky way, I just mean that I've seen alot of arguments for this -- none of which impressed me, to be perfectly honest.

But I would never advocate your not having an opportunity to present your case. ;-)

sw

[minkyboodle]

76. Personally I'm annoyed

that almost every post of yours is a bash against Kucinich. I guess that whole big tent thing is only valid when convenient for you.
Scott

[lams712]

31. DK (and Sharpton) are both telling the hard truth.....

....if Sharpton was considered more of a threat, he would have been attacked more. DK is saying things that no establishment Democrat wants to hear. And the things he stands up for are popular things that get broad-based support (single-payer health care plan, cutting the Defense budget, getting out of Iraq, etc.). But these are not acceptable to the establishment, who will come out with half-assed proposals to placate liberal critics while not going far enough to solve anything (in order to placate the establishment).

I mean, how many times in the debate did you hear something to the effect of "...I voted for it, but now I'm against it...". YOU DID NOT HEAR THAT KIND OF STUFF FROM DENNIS!!!!

[Protagoras]

32. Ever see The Bread and Butter war?

One side does something, the other reacts bigger, return volly return...

Sometimes we remember we're actually all supposed to be democrats but most of the time we're not really sure what that means :D

[fromthegroundup]

43. vote your conscience, not your fears

I was registered Green until this important primary came along, and changed my registration in order to try and help Kucinich by collecting petitions and whatnot. It's been a very discouraging experience meeting Democrats who stand behind the front man in line regardless of the issues. I personally think the progressive/liberal minded Democrats, including Kucinich, find a new home with the Greens. If people actually voted for Dennis in the primary, then all these "anybody but Bush" voters would vote for him. I can't believe in one breath they say Dennis is unelectable, but in the next scream anybody but Bush. This defies logic and would make no sense, until you realize that most people don't really think for themselves, especially about politics, and would rather watch/listen/read what they're supposed to believe in the media.

[scarletwoman]

45. Welcome, fellow Kucitizen!

Well, logic isn't exactly the strong suit of herd mentality. :P

We've still got plenty of work to do -- ALOT of us will be voting for HOPE instead of FEAR in the coming primaries/caucuses.

STAND UP, KEEP FIGHTING!

sw
:hi:

[revcarol]

46. Welcome, fromthegroundup!!

Have one on me!:beer:
Yeah, I personally re-registered over 100 Greens back into the Democratic Party...and to have one of our fellow DEMOCRATS do this to a Democrat is just beyond the pale.We just got many Greens back into the party because of one fine candidate, and then to have him dissed...

Hang tough, there. We know what you are going through.:grouphug:

[Tinoire]

53. Logic defying is right on!

Welcome to DU! :toast:

I look forward to watching you help the logic-impaired.

The greedy ones are beyond hope however.

[AmyStrange]

48. Fight for what you believe in...

and don't never let anyone else tell you what to think,

!!! GO KUCINICH and SHARPTON !!!

d

[bobthedrummer]

49. John Locke's series of polls, perhaps?

Dennis Kucinich was at the top of some of those, strong support here.
I really voted for him, so did my wife.

Other Americans get their chance this coming Tuesday.
:hi:

DU isn't anything but the best American political website, IMHO.

The vanguard is here.

[cosmicdot]

50. maybe people are working on custom-designing the convention script

... and, maybe Dennis is only at that table when his name comes up, and brainstorming ensues on how he's to be handled ...

... perhaps they wish to deliberately reduce or deflect any spotlight he might draw ...

PR activism to label him and his ideas as loony

[Lydia Leftcoast]

55. Here's a song for us delusional people

linked to my thread in GD:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1172210

[jenk]

59. when we get down to the wire

people start to tire of the fringe candidates, and it's not Kucinich as much as it is sharpton.

I just want discussion about what's important, if you're fed up with kucinich, just hide the threads like I do.

[scarletwoman]

61. Er, if you hide Kucinich threads, how did you get here?

Quote: "...if you're fed up with kucinich, just hide the threads like I do."

Btw, I support Kucinich because I DO "want discussion about what's important".

But thanks for kicking this thread, btw! :D

sw

[Spirochete]

62. He has big ears

and beady eyes. And he probably uses that picante sauce that comes from New York city...

Oops, time for my medication. be right back...

[bobthedrummer]

68. Could be adaptation-from listening to the people

and hearing what we say.

Plus, he was a teacher when out of the political system.
He's used to listening intently.

[Armand]

69. I'm not afraid of Kucinich, in fact, it's quite the opposite.

But clinging onto hope that he'll be president is hopeless. He isn't going to get anywhere. DK has a very small following and he represent but a small portion of the people in this country. Kerry and Edwards, on the other hand, represent a large scale amount of people. They even have the independents and the leaning "liberal" republicans clinging to them. In my opinion, it's more logical to give money and support to the two guys who have a chance at winning the presidency...not to one guy who gets in the single digits in the primaries and caucuses.

It's simple logic.

[scarletwoman]

70. It's simple logic for me, too.

Kucinich speaks to all the issues that are important to me. He sees the big picture and offers solutions that take into account the inter-relatedness of each issue with other issues.

When the mainstream Democrats are NOT offering comprehension solutions, and are NOT openly and truthfully addressing the issues that are important to me, how is it in any way "logical" for me to give THEM money and support instead of the candidate who DOES speak for me?

I'll put my money where my heart is -- that's democracy, imho.

sw

[Armand]

71. Hey...it's cool.

I'm just being realistic...that's all.

[scarletwoman]

72. I'm realistic too.

If you have a goal, the only way to achieve it is to keep working toward it. My goal is to end corporate control over our government.

Reality is what you make it. When people first agitated for these things, women's sufferage and civil rights weren't "realistic" either. These things were MADE real by people believing in them and working to achieve them.

sw

[genius]

73. The Republicans can't silence him so they're getting scared.

I just came from a crowd of people who will all be voting for him.

[minkyboodle]

75. DU ain't what it used to be

but there are still some amazing posters here on both sides of the progressive/moderate aisle so I say just ignore the rest.... (I know easier said than done).
Scott