Let's get serious. Has Hillary promised to return the protection of Habeas Corpus?

[Big Blue Marble]

Obama has.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbrb09p1L5g

[AllyCat]

1. no

[William769]

2. Are you sure?

[DJ13]

3. This is why I dont want Hillary following Bush as president

When the Clinton's were in office they were far from transparent in their governance, and Hillary strikes me as someone who wont willingly forgo the unconstitutional precedents Bush has created.

[wyldwolf]

5. because she voted to restore Habeas Corpus?

[Big Blue Marble]

10. It is good that she voted for it in the Senate.

Has she made a commitment to it as a presidential candidate? Is she on record saying she will
change it?

[wyldwolf]

15. oh, you hold saying it in higher regards than voting on it. OK.

[Big Blue Marble]

18. They both voted to restore it.

Obama has stated on the record that if he is elected, he will restore it.
I am asking has Hillary done the same.

Hillary supporters scream that Obama has no positions. That he is a just a rock star.
Now I ask you a question concerning a fundamental right in a democracy that he clearly supports.
Please stop the obfuscation and tell me if she, as a candidate, has promised to restore this right if elected.

[wyldwolf]

19. why not read the rest of the thread for your answer.

[Big Blue Marble]

21. If you would read the rest of the thread you would see that I have. n/t

[wyldwolf]

24. but not at the time of my last reply - I checked before I posted it.

[William769]

6. And you know this how?

[wyldwolf]

4. Yes

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-geiger/twentytwo-democratic-sen_b_53783.html

[William769]

7. How stupid can some people be?

[wyldwolf]

9. around here, plenty.

[goldcanyonaz]

8. Could you start a topic with this? Replies seem not to matter around here.

:hi:

[wyldwolf]

11. no, because occasionally I pull the dumbest quotes off of DU for a fun blog post

[William769]

12. Tell me about it I have posted several times today about the Obama present vote

No one seems to want to touch what I have to say, I thought about giving it it's own thread but then it would probably sink like a rock.

[Krashkopf]

13. According to The American Freedom Campaign . . .

the Civil Liberties group co-founded by Naomi Wolf:

Obama, Clinton and John Edwards each say that if elected, for example, they will restore habeas corpus, close Guantanamo and halt illegal domestic spying.

www.americanfreedomcampaign.org

[goldcanyonaz]

16. Thanks for this.

[wyldwolf]

17. ...which should put a halt to this thread, but most will pretend they haven't seen your reply

[Big Blue Marble]

20. Thank you for this clarification.

I was not asking to start a flame war. This is a serious issue and Obama is often accused by the
same people who jump on this thread screaming insults that he does not stand for anything important.

I want to clarify that he does. I am glad the other major candidates do as well.

[Bread and Circus]

23. Yes, thank you

[aquart]

14. Here.

<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ari-melber/clinton-backs-habeas-corp_b_75509.html>

Posted December 5, 2007 | 05:04 PM (EST)

Many members of Congress have said exactly that, including former Judiciary Chairman Arlen Specter (who still voted for the bill), and today Hillary Clinton reiterated the point in an excellent and strong statement explaining what is at stake:

Today, the Supreme Court considered deeply troubling implications of the Military Commissions Act of 2007, a law I vigorously opposed when it was debated on the Senate floor...The specific question before the Court is whether detainees being held in Guantanamo Bay can be denied the right of habeas corpus -- the right to challenge the legality of their detention, to ask why they are being held. The Court should restore this basic right. Our Nation must not indefinitely detain anyone without safeguards to ensure we are holding the right person. This is one of the bedrock principles enshrined in our Constitution; it is the way our Founders believed we could be secure against those who would abuse government power. I believe we do not have to abandon our constitutional principles or our values as Americans in the name of fighting terrorism. We can defeat terrorists around the world and preserve who we are as Americans. When we sacrifice one for the sake of the other, we hand our enemies a victory. Unfortunately, under President Bush, Guantanamo Bay has come to represent a flagging commitment to justice and contempt for the rule of law. This is not only a threat to our values -- it also harms our national security interests and our moral authority in the eyes of the world.


While Clinton is the only Democratic presidential candidate to release a statement on today's arguments, they all opposed the MCA and support restoring habeas corpus.

[Bread and Circus]

22. LOL. of the responses in this thread, I have 11 of them on ignore..

in my effort to keep my sanity around here, I miss out on a lot of trash talk :P

[wyldwolf]

25. oh, look William769, we're on ignore!

[William769]

26. I am sure we are on a lot of people ignore.

The one's who can't seem to handle the truth.

[goldcanyonaz]

27. There wasn't any trash talk, only the fact that Clinton will resore will restore habeas corpus, too.

[Bread and Circus]

28. I can still see your post but the 2 other replies here were "ignored"

Overall though, I'm glad they all support a return of habeas corpus.

[Big Blue Marble]

29. Calling people stupid is pretty trashy.