Obama will have the most elected experience of anyone during tonight's debate (besides Kucinich)

[Renew Deal]

Now that Richardson is gone, Obama will be the one with the most elected/governing experience of anyone on stage (besides Kucinich). Obama was a state rep from 1996 to 2004. He's been a senator ever since. Hillary has been a senator since 2001. Edwards was a senator from 1998 to 2004. I wonder if he's going to point it out.

Obama 11 years
Hillary 7 years
Edwards 6 years

Kucinich 20 years

[PresidentObama]

1. But he's "inexperienced", remember?

[MH1]

2. Yeah, but doncha know, state legislature doesn't count

Those guys don't do anything, you know?

In the US, All laws and decisions are made by the federal government. All budgetary decisions.

There is no such thing as a state tax or a state budget.

:sarcasm:

[cali]

3. nonsense. And I'm an Obama supporter.

I'd say his 7 years in the Statehouse is not quite the same thing. Yes, it's experience, but it's a part time legislature and it's not the big leagues, and it's not like he was Majority Leader in the Illinois Senate. Also, Hillary has 7 years in the Senate, not 6. O has enough experience but he certainly doesn't have more than Clinton.

[question everything]

26. And, of course, Obama wants women to pray

before they have abortions...

:shrug:

[cali]

38. and that has just what to do with what I wrote

aside from the fact that that isn't what he said. I don't like what he said but it surely wasn't the way you characterize it.

[question everything]

45. You had a very angry post about that not too long ago

before you changed your avatar.

[cali]

49. Yes, I did. And I still don't like that

he went to the 700 club or talked about abortion that way, but I don't expect my candidate to be perfect. I expect the plus column to have more entries than the minus column.

[sandnsea]

41. Most women do n/t

[sandnsea]

39. In a state like Illinois, and the progress he made

it matters. And I can't believe you'd use that lazy part-timer that the Clintons are pushing.

[Muttocracy]

4. Hillary 7?

It's 2008.

Biden supporter that I am, I just wish they would ALL shut up about experience. :(

[Renew Deal]

5. You're right

I haven't adjusted to 2008 yet. ;)

[DrFunkenstein]

53. Didn't She Start in January 2001?

I can't even figure out a 15% tip, so my math may be off, but I think that's 7 years.

[flvegan]

6. "besides Kucinich"

Anyone up for experience and real change?

I know I am, and that's why Kucinich is still my candidate.

[Kucinich4America]

12. AMEN to that!

The Hell with "besides Kucinich". Kucinich IS the most experienced candidate. And that includes executive experience, which none of the others have.

[flvegan]

21. He's also had that spine for a pretty long time.

NO to the war.

NO to the Patriot Act.

Health care for everyone.

IMPEACHMENT.

Not like the "fold up and tuck under the bed" candidates we're seeing so little from.

[Renew Deal]

22. He may not be there tonight.

It's still uncertain.

And I don't think you want to bring up his "executive experience."

[redqueen]

25. Did you see this thread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4066592&mesg_id=4066592

What makes you think it's not certain? Just cause it's not 4 yet?

[Renew Deal]

27. There's an appeal pending.

:shrug:

[redqueen]

30. They did appeal? Goodness gracious... they must REALLY want him out BAD!

[flvegan]

31. Why would the msm not want Kucinich there?

Disney blocked him last time, GE is trying this time...

Oh, well. I'm sure we can trust big media. They DO have our best interests at heart.

[redqueen]

33. Surely it's because they're trying to fashion him as a sympathetic figure.

Of COURSE the media has our best interest at heart. Cause of the free market... or something.

[Renew Deal]

36. I thought so.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2684193

[redqueen]

37. Surprise, surprise, surprise.

Thanks.

[bigwillq]

19. Vote for Kucinich!

The only real progressive in the race!

[DurShar]

69. I will be but have to wait until March.

[redqueen]

24. I am...

if only fewer people in this country were so in thrall to teevee news and "Conventional Wisdom".

[DJ13]

7. Obama .........most elected experience

But Hillary was the President's WIFE for 8 years in the WH, who can top that?!
:)

[Muttocracy]

8. noone since Eleanor!

Though Mrs. Carter, Mrs. Bush, and Mrs. Bush are still out there...

[Renew Deal]

9. His mistress

:evilgrin:

[Beacool]

10. Oh please, here we go again!!!

The state legislature is the minor leagues. The guy is barely in the first half of his first term as senator.

What's the point of this thread?

[Renew Deal]

11. Do you know how to add?

That's the point.

[monmouth]

13. So then should it read "Kucinich will have the most elected experience of

anyone during tonight's debate (besides Obama)????

[Renew Deal]

16. He may or may not be there.

Plus, he's not a serious contender.

[Kucinich4America]

65. Unless he wins the Michigan primary.

Then he becomes the front-runner :)

[redqueen]

17. That would be the correct text if one wasn't trying to score points for

Obama. :)

[mkultra]

51. He meant to say

That obama has the most experience of any electable candidate.

[question everything]

14. While being a governor is important

in that the person had to propose and implement program using available resources, a legislative experience on a state or municipal level is pretty weak. Look at your own state legislators and try to figure our what they have achieved that can suggest an effective President.

Plus, I've heard that in most of his experience in Illinois most of his votes were "Present."

Last, "as chair of a Senate subcommittee on Europe, he has never made an official trip to Western Europe (except a one-day stopover in London in August 2005) or held a single policy hearing. He's never faced off with foreign leaders and has no idea what a delicate sparring match diplomacy in the Middle East can be. And at a time in which the United States has gone from sole superpower to global pariah in a mere seven years, these things matter."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x332028

[cali]

28. less than 3% of his votes in Illinois were present. That's obviously

not most. And though serving in the state leg may not be on a par with serving in the U.S. Senate, it is absolutely valid governing experience. Particularly as Obama's service was in a large state. Hell, Illinois is bigger than quite a few independent nations. None of our candidates has faced off with foreign leaders, for that matter, and Obama is hardly some naive character. I heard Gary Hart characterize him today as very savvy on international affairs.

[redqueen]

15. Good thing Obama thinks we don't need a beaurocrat... go Edwards!

[dpbrown]

18. Shouldn't that then read "Kucinich will have the most elected experience during tonight's debate"

Kucinich 20 years
Obama 11 years
Clinton 7 years
Edwards 6 years

[Renew Deal]

20. It's not certain that he will be there.

Also, He's not a major candidate anyway.

I love your use of colors. I know it's a pain.

[question everything]

47. And we thought that only Republicans twist the facts

to justify their claims.

[goodhue]

23. yes indeed

Very true. Kucinich of course has way more elected experience than all of them--20 years.

[indimuse]

29. Does anybody know how Obama got TRULY elected...If you wanna call it that...?

"Why say you're for a new tomorrow, then do old-style Chicago politics to remove legitimate candidates?" Askia said. "He talks about honor and democracy, but what

honor is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?"

In a recent interview, Obama granted that "there's a legitimate argument to be made that you shouldn't create barriers to people getting on the ballot."

But the unsparing legal tactics were justified, he said, by obvious flaws in his opponents' signature sheets. "To my mind, we were just abiding by the rules that had

been set up," Obama recalled.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,1,57567.story?ctrack=2&cset=true

[Renew Deal]

34. And Hillary became a senator because of who she was married.

So Obama has an edge there.

[indimuse]

40. ok...Tweety...

Once again I post FACT RE: And his dishonesty...and his fans continue wear the Obama Goggles of DENIAL! I'm not quite certain if it due to mutual DRUG after effect ...but it seems quite common amongst you. strange....hmm..

[Renew Deal]

42. I posted fact too.

Nobody would have elected Hillary the senator from NY if she was the Arkansas governors wife. Am I wrong about that?

[indimuse]

48. yes.

I'm NOT "nobody!!"

[Renew Deal]

50. Good, I'm glad we finally agree.

:D

[indimuse]

55. NO...lol!

I meant NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! just alil' crazed right now...:)

[indimuse]

54. And another thing...

You keep attacking Hillary in a personal way...let's just LQQK at Obama for a moment...He used his Senate Fame to capitalize his Book..Releasing dirt from his past...Do you REALLY think he would have been elected even to Jr senator in Chicago if the people of Illinois knew he snorted coke and smoked pot for 2 years of his life...? THINK! Oh...But wait a minuet THAT"S right ...he ...challenging hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer, the longtime progressive activist from the city's South Side. And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama's four Democratic primary rivals was forced off the ballot.




"Why say you're for a new tomorrow, then do old-style Chicago politics to remove legitimate candidates?" Askia said. "He talks about honor and democracy, but what

honor is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?"

In a recent interview, Obama granted that "there's a legitimate argument to be made that you shouldn't create barriers to people getting on the ballot."

But the unsparing legal tactics were justified, he said, by obvious flaws in his opponents' signature sheets. "To my mind, we were just abiding by the rules that had

been set up," Obama recalled.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,1,57567.story?ctrack=2&cset=true

[Renew Deal]

56. Obama's first book was publishied in 1995

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreams_from_My_Father

Also, why should candidates be permitted to forge and cheat on their petitions? Do you support cheating? Obama did the right thing. Did the others?

[indimuse]

58. I guess you don't read!overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office

The day after New Year's 1996, operatives for Barack Obama filed into a barren hearing room of the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners.

There they began the tedious process of challenging hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer, the longtime progressive activist from the city's South Side. And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama's four Democratic primary rivals was forced off the ballot.

Fresh from his work as a civil rights lawyer and head of a voter registration project that expanded access to the ballot box, Obama launched his first campaign for the Illinois Senate saying he wanted to empower disenfranchised citizens.


But in that initial bid for political office, Obama quickly mastered the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer.

SHOW ME FORGE AND CHEAT!!! PROVE YOUR STATEMENT!

[Renew Deal]

64. You're asking me to prove your statement.

You pulled that out of the newspaper. The newspaper doesn't say that Obama did anything wrong. Signatures aren't discarded for no reason. So isn't it up to you to prove that Obama and the board of elections did something wrong? Obama's signatures were apparently legit. Why should he be punished because others cheated?

[sandnsea]

43. Nader didn't get on the ballot in Oregon

because his signatures were flawed. That's the law in every state.

[Renew Deal]

44. And PA too.

This Hillary cheerleader supports cheating.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

32. It will be a Billary presidency. Billary = experience. eom

eom

[Renew Deal]

35. Don't you see what's wrong with that?

You're saying that she can't stand on her own.

[mkultra]

52. It will tough for them

They will have to find a pair of married interns to screw then.

[Renew Deal]

46. I

I touched a nerve. :bounce:

[William769]

57. of the 11 years how often was he present (pun intended)?

[goldcanyonaz]

59. Obama has missed 16 percent of the votes while being Senator,

Now, that's leadership.

:woohoo:

[Renew Deal]

60. Hillary has missed 15%

And yet Obama still has more years of elected experience.

[goldcanyonaz]

61. Clinton has missed 6 percent, show me your data.

[Renew Deal]

62. I'll show you mine if you show me yours

:P

You brought it up.

[goldcanyonaz]

63. lol, but this is a public forum.

*giggles*

[goldcanyonaz]

66. Link to Clintons missed votes while in Senate; 6 percent.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300022

Hillary Clinton missed 143 of 2394 votes (6%) since Jan 23, 2001.

Barack Obama missed 177 of 1086 votes (16%) since Jan 6, 2005

[Renew Deal]

67. Hillary's number is since 2001

Obama's number is since 2005. I'm talking about 2007-2008.

[goldcanyonaz]

68. The record is since both became Senator. She has a better record of voting than he does.

[Renew Deal]

70. That's only because she more total votes.

What about the last year? They are the same.