I might be stepping on thin ice, but the whole John Kerry thing. . .

[Brian_Expat]

is making me nervous.

It's getting way more attention than I like and the issue
being raised does serve the purposes of George Bush.

Frankly, I am liberal. I've got some conservative friends and family.
I am certainly pro Political Choice and if a Church wants to campaign for conservatives than I am all for it.

However, this is going to be a liability for our party.

Bushco. wants to fan the flames.

So here is where I am going to piss some people off:

I wish the Kerry folks would keep a lid on it and stop waving their
pro-Iraq war banner for the moment. Kerry voting for the Bush tax cuts and Iraq war is great but it's not great this year.

I disagree where Kerry and Edwards are on this issue. They are
waffling. It makes them look bad. However, a more principled
position will only help solidify the opposition. It's a lose lose
for us.

Am I wrong to wish all those John Kerry supporters would not be
on TV?

Maxim: The sword cutteth both ways.

[arwalden]

1. ROFLMAO!!!

:hi:

[David Dunham]

2. Kerry and Edwards voted AGAINST the Bush tax cuts

They also want to repeal them on people making more then $200k.

[sangh0]

3. You are very wrong

Kerry voted against Bush*'s tax cuts, and no one here is pro-war. Get your facts straight

[Brian_Expat]

4. Thanks for completely missing the point! n/t

[sangh0]

5. You're right

I have no idea what your point is. I'm sure that's MY fault

[Brian_Expat]

8. See the similarly titled thread on Gay Marriage.

My point is that the same sorts of half-truths and "logic" in that thread can be used against ANYONE. Link below for your perusal:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=405644&mesg_id=405644

[sangh0]

15. Thanks...A suggestion

You shouldn't expect people to understand your point when the most important part of it is in another thread.

[Bread and Circus]

22. Yeah, that's my thread and I was trying to be totally serious...

[GodHelpUsAll2]

34. You knew

they would. Clever, very clever

[mdmc]

6. Don't worry... Kerry will do just fine

No worries here.

[Brian_Expat]

7. So will gay marriage. :-) n/t

[Atlant]

19. I have no doubt Kerry will do fine. But will we???

> Don't worry... Kerry will do just fine

I have no doubt Kerry will do fine. Even if he loses the election,
I'm quite sure Kerry will do fine. Rich S&B-type guys pretty much
always "do fine" because they have a great network of other rich
S&B-type guys to fall back on.

The question is: will we do fine?

Atlant

[janx]

23. No. n/t

[mdmc]

28. Not sure

I think we win with Kerry. I think that we will do fine.

[janx]

9. HA!

Yeah. Now's just NOT THE TIME, ya know? ;-)

[Frances]

10. I was against the war; so was Kucinich; most people

were in the same position as Kerry, so I don't think Kerry is in trouble.

I think Bush is so evil that I would support any of the 4 remaining Democrats against Bush

[Brian_Expat]

11. Please see my post #8 in this thread. ;-) n/t

[prodigal_green]

20. Mmmm...waffles

I agree with you. Most Americans were in support of the Iraq War. Personally, I demonstrated and worked against it. Now that more facts are out, I believe the majority of Americans are pretty pissed that they were tricked. Though I haven't decided for whom I'll vote on Tuesday, I don't actually hold this against Kerry. I believe a lot of Americans will identify with his position, which I think was stated pretty clearly when he said (not sure of the exact phrasiing), "yeah, but who thought he'd fuck it up this badly?"

The next president is going to have a hell of a lot to straighten out when he takes office. The question now is "what is the exit strategy for Iraq." The IRW is over and done with. I want to hear about a job creation, trade, healthcare, education and repairing what is left of our stature and relationship with the rest of the world.

[cindyw]

12. Are you choosing to be ignorant of the issues? Neither voted for the tax

cuts. That is a fact. MANY people here have repeated that over and over again. Why do you insist on repeating this, when you have been here long enough to know that it is not true.

As far as waving a pro-Iraq war banner. Where are these people? I have yet to see PRO-Iraq war Kerry supporters here.

[Brian_Expat]

14. You need to read my post #11.

Every single point I raised is a popularly held belief against Kerry, and the logic in the post I emulated was that popularly held (yet inaccurate) views about gays should render gays unfit to have equality due to the election. Using the same logic, Kerry should not run. In fact, no Democrat should.

[buckeye1]

13. Wish what you want.

Kerry is going to be the nominee. Quit whining. It doesn't become you.

[Brian_Expat]

16. Talk about not carefully reading! LOL! n/t

[GodHelpUsAll2]

35. And there in lies the problem

NO ONE pays attention.

[RetroLounge]

39. Poop!

eom

[rucky]

17. The only thing getting Dems to the polls this year is Bush/Cheney

he's the best player on our team.

[DuctapeFatwa]

18. Kerry's support for the crusade is one of his selling points

It's a popular policy with the bulk of the voting class, as is keeping medical care as a commercial product and opposition to a Living Wage.

If Kerry has a weakness, it is that he leaves himself vulnerable to accusations of being soft on terror at home.

Edwards has a Neighborhood TIPS program to empower neighbors to police each other for suspect activity.

It's not clear how Kerry plans to root out suspected potential terrorists and sleeper cells within the US.

[littlejoe]

29. Kerry does not "support " the crusade, as you call it. It is

disingenuous to say so. As for "a living wage", Sen. Kerry supports trade unions and will work to keep good jobs here, and raise the standard of living for lower wage earners.

[DuctapeFatwa]

40. He believes that he can do a better job of running it than bush

Where bush has been stingy with the oil and related loot n' booty, Kerry believes it can be used to good effect as an "incentive" to persuade other countries to join the US in achieving America's military and financial objectives regarding its properties around the globe. In the case of "Pro-US" Arab countries, traditional Sunni-Shia rivalries are an added bonus, and will be useful in the liberation of Iran, too. It is not clear whether he will deploy US or Israeli resources to Syria.

Kerry is opposed to the fundamental principle of capitalism that a day's labor should be worth at least a day's survival, and has pledged to empower low income people to use their cash on hand to purchase medical treatment and get an extra tax break at year's end.

[Bread and Circus]

21. Why the hell did you post this?

[Brian_Expat]

36. Why "the hell" did you post your thread on gay marriage?

Am I somehow now no longer allowed to apply your logic to other areas to demonstrate its inherent foolishness?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

24. I'm more concerned about liberals that outright lie and misrepresent his

positions.

Giving a vote FOR a resolution to attempt to slow someone from what they were already going to do is NOT pro war. I was NOT pro war and would bet my hat my ass and my overcoat that I attended more protests than you.

Bush's TAX CUTS originall included NO rebates for the lower income levels. The plan Kerry voted for did.

Kerry has advocated against discrimination of gays, for civil unions which is a STEP in the direction that gay people want to go ..and I find it downright humorous and insulting that many people jumping on you anti-Kerry misrepresentation propaganda wagon could have GIVEN a flying fuck about gay marriages five years ago and NOW THEY ARE OUTRAGED!!!

[Atlant]

27. Surely you can't be talking about anyone here! (NT)

[unfrigginreal]

38. Me too.

Giving a vote FOR...is NOT pro war.

Bush's TAX CUTS...The plan Kerry voted for...

A sprinkle of sugar on a pile of shit makes it taste better.

[mitchum]

25. Well, you have ONE thing in common with Noel Coward...

but I'd work on the satire...

[janx]

31. That's a very silly thing to say.

Really.

[mitchum]

32. I meant residence in England

What did you think I meant?

[Brian_Expat]

37. Well you needn't hop all over me for being circumspect, ma amie. :-) n/t

[NewYorkerfromMass]

26. Yes you are- Kerry's on rock solid ground

sorry you got wet! :hi:

Kerry's got all the bases covered.
As a liberal lawyer and politician who's always defended the rights of gays, Kerry is doing the right thing.
In the end, we will all be in good stead.

[bigtree]

30. Neither Kerry nor his supporters have a pro-war banner

:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce: Pro-IWR Is Not Pro-War :bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:


But thank you for your mindless slap.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

33. Beautiful

Simply beautiful! Brian you ROCK! LOL